2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[KatGrace1925]

Well I flagged this topic: to start with.
What I mean is that it is arrogant of the USFS to schedule the Nationals so close so it becomes impossible for a good skater like Alysa to enter the YOG. What were they thinking? Clearly not on YOG...so...thus arrogance.

US nationals is always around the same time every year, why would they move it for a competition very few actually care about?

 

[[email protected]]

Interesting take. But I think for Young You to win a junior World gold over Alysa and Kamila would launch her career big time. Whatever happens will be fascinating to follow.

I don't think so. For me Young You is going 5th now after 3A and Rika. She is already ahead of Bradie, Mariah, Kaori, and Wakaba. Winning the juniors would hardly change her power standings.

 

[Jontor]

Is there any hope for Team Hope?:think:

It seems hopeless I'm afraid.

I've recalculated the average placing omitting the ones that were not drawn.

1. Team Focus 3,75
2. Team Courage 4,0 (with Sinitsyna)
3=. Team Discovery 4,25
3=. Team Determination 4,25
5=. Team Motivation 4,5
5=. Team Vision 4,5
7. Team Future 5,25 (with Frolova)
8. Team Hope 5,5

 

[Jontor]

US nationals is always around the same time every year, why would they move it for a competition very few actually care about?

And your statement just proved my point.

But let me make myself clear. I find it such a pity that such a great skater like Alysa wasn't in YOG. Every other country threw in their best.
But if US thinks Nationals is more important than high level international competitions I guess it's up to them.

 

[lpt]

But let me make myself clear. I find it such a pity that such a great skater like Alysa wasn't in YOG. Every other country threw in their best.

Russia didn't.

 

[Jontor]

Russia didn't.

But they did. They sent the two best from JGP they had. (Valieva and Usacheva are too young).

 

[Scott512]

Young You is not going to Junior Worlds.

I don't think so. For me Young You is going 5th now after 3A and Rika. She is already ahead of Bradie, Mariah, Kaori, and Wakaba. Winning the juniors would hardly change her power standings.

she would be fifth in your book because of Zhena and Liza not being eligible Alina stepping away snd lilbet injured.

YY vs KV and AL at junior worlds would be amazing. 4CC has no history to speak of.

 

[Amei]

YOG is just not a valuable competition.

Kinda like 4CCs if we look at who the US sends there

 

[lpt]

But they did. They sent the two best from JGP they had. (Valieva and Usacheva are too young).

No, they didn't. Trusova and Shcherbakova were eligible. They are the same age as Young You.

 

[ladyjane]

But they did. They sent the two best from JGP they had. (Valieva and Usacheva are too young).

Valieva was injured...not too young. She was entered at first, but alas. I agree, they did send their best, as they did for the men (but unluckily for them, so did Japan. Only one, but third at senior nationals. Just 4th at the JGP but still).

I think it's a pity YOG is not taken seriously by the US. Canada did send good skaters and teams (even if they got to be fourth again).

 

[ladyjane]

No, they didn't. Trusova and Shcherbakova were eligible. They are the same age as Young You.

But they wished to be senior. End of story, alas.

 

[lpt]

But they wished to be senior. End of story, alas.

Young You is also a senior, so?
All I said is Russia didn't throw in it's best ladies, exactly like USA didn't.

 

[Mathman]

Kinda like 4CCs if we look at who the US sends there

Well, that's obvious if you think about it. The prestige of a competition is built up over the years as it acquires a history. The first winter Youth Olympic Games was held in 2012. Most people don't know that such an event exists.

The United States Figure Skating Championship was first held in 1916, and has more than a century of tradition behind it, including memorable performances by many celebrated athletes. You can't expect a new event to pop up overnight and immediately attract the interest of the sporting public.

Same with Four Continents. This competition goes back only to 1999. Europeans already had a century of tradition by then. In fact the first Europeans (1891) predates the first World Championship (1896).

Actually, I credit Mao Asada with bringing Four Continents to within shouting distance of maybe becoming a major competition one day. Japan was the first country to give more than a passing glance at this event.

Of course a national competition is of little interest to fans outside that county -- this goes for all countries. (Except Russia this year, when Russian Nationals was the most widely anticipated and hotly contested figure skating event of the year.)

 

[Amei]

Young You is also compete as senior, so?

Different circumstances:
- Young You is a lovely skater but not really a serious medal contender for Worlds this year; whereas we know that Shcherbakova/Trusova/Kostornaia are all 3 favored to sweep the European and Senior podiums.
- The big thing to me is that official practices start next Monday for Europeans, 4ccs is 3 weeks away

All I said is Russia didn't throw in it's best ladies, exactly like USA didn't.

Additionally, no one is saying to pull a US skater from the senior ranks to do a Junior competition; Alysa Liu is a junior ranks skater that can only compete internationally as a junior and is missing a big-time Junior competition to compete at Senior US nationals where she has little in the ways of competition and will likely get extremely lenient scoring vs. an international panel that would likely be more strict on what she does.

 

[Scout]

Valieva was injured...not too young. She was entered at first, but alas.

Kamila Valieva is born in 2006; I believe the cut off date is Dec 31, 2005. It is Viktoria Vasilieva that was entered and w/d because of injury.

it's interesting how some ladies have success so young, the will never really get a youth Olympics. Either you are too young, like Kamila, or you are at the top of your sport in seniors (like the 3A).

 

[Amei]

Kamila Valieva is born in 2006; I believe the cut off date is Dec 31, 2005. It is Viktoria Vasilieva that was entered and w/d because of injury.

it's interesting how some ladies have success so young, the will never really get a youth Olympics. Either you are too young, like Kamila, or you are at the top of your sport in seniors (like the 3A).

Anna Shcherbakova won the European Youth Olympic Festival last year. From what I could Wikipedia search - the European Youth Olympic Festival is between 50 European nations, whereas the Youth Olympics is not restricted to the European continent.

 

[lpt]

Different circumstances:
- Young You is a lovely skater but not really a serious medal contender for Worlds this year; whereas we know that Shcherbakova/Trusova/Kostornaia are all 3 favored to sweep the European and Senior podiums.
- The big thing to me is that official practices start next Monday for Europeans, 4ccs is 3 weeks away



Additionally, no one is saying to pull a US skater from the senior ranks to do a Junior competition; Alysa Liu is a junior ranks skater that can only compete internationally as a junior and is missing a big-time Junior competition to compete at Senior US nationals where she has little in the ways of competition and will likely get extremely lenient scoring vs. an international panel that would likely be more strict on what she does.

I don't know what are trying to prove. Jontor said Russia threw in it's best ladies eligible, I said it didn't because Trusova and Shcherbakova were eligible. Period.
Who is medal contender or junior is totally irrelevant.

 

[Arbitrary]

Kamila Valieva is born in 2006; I believe the cut off date is Dec 31, 2005. It is Viktoria Vasilieva that was entered and w/d because of injury.

it's interesting how some ladies have success so young, the will never really get a youth Olympics. Either you are too young, like Kamila, or you are at the top of your sport in seniors (like the 3A).

Yes, exactly. And it makes YOG a little out of sense as a would be a big event. Technically a skater may compete in Olympics 3-4 times. But only once in YOG at very best.

 

[colormyworld240]

I love how Sinitsyna moves and her musicality, but does anyone else find her jumping a bit strange? Something looks off to me. Maybe her axis changing mid jump or body position?

Something I've noticed since I started keeping up with Panova's girls 2 seasons ago; Sinitsyna was always the artist while her jumps always looked really off compared to her rinkmate Kanysheva's. I didn't really notice it on the JGP but in the past few competitions I was reminded again. Does she pre-rotate her toe jumps? I'm trying to place it.

 

[flanker]

Kamila Valieva is born in 2006; I believe the cut off date is Dec 31, 2005. It is Viktoria Vasilieva that was entered and w/d because of injury.

it's interesting how some ladies have success so young, the will never really get a youth Olympics. Either you are too young, like Kamila, or you are at the top of your sport in seniors (like the 3A).

YOG has pretty strict rules for age eligibility. Last time it was 1999-2001 for single skaters, now it is 2003-2005 (and the next time probably 2007-2009), so there will be always skaters who can't attend it, born in 2002 (e.g. Alina Zagitova), 2006 (e.g. Kamila Valieva) etc. Alena Kanysheva would have been a good choice, but she is missing the whole season, unfortunately.