2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[icetug]

it's interesting how some ladies have success so young, the will never really get a youth Olympics. Either you are too young, like Kamila, or you are at the top of your sport in seniors (like the 3A).

Actually skaters born every fourth year can't compete at YOG just because the age eligibility covers 3 years. This year skaters born in 2003-2005 are eligible, in 2016 born in 1999-2001, in 2012 - in 1995-1997. What means that those born in 1998 and 2002 were excluded from the competition according to the rules, like Samarin and Rizzo was - and Kamila Valieva is/will be as she's born in the next "excluding" year: 2006.

EDIT: haha, Flanker was faster to mention it

 

[Skater Boy]

Actually skaters born every fourth year can't compete at YOG just because the age eligibility covers 3 years. This year skaters born in 2003-2005 are eligible, in 2016 born in 1999-2001, in 2012 - in 1995-1997. What means that those born in 1998 and 2002 were excluded from the competition according to the rules, like Samarin and Rizzo was - and Kamila Valieva is/will be as she's born in the next "excluding" year: 2006.

EDIT: haha, Flanker was faster to mention it

The results of the YOG show that Russia is beatable. Neverthless it was a good effort despite some falls. I am curious if Trusova though has grown since say November. It is interesting her last two competitions all the problems she has had with her jumps. When it comes to worlds though I don't think Young YOU will be the threat I think it is Rika. ET has had issues/injuries so Rika could be the Russian slayer so to speak. If not gold could talk a podium sot. Still if the 3As can avoid puberty a medal sweep isn't implausible.

 

[Resa]

But they did. They sent the two best from JGP they had. (Valieva and Usacheva are too young).

But didn't Tarakanova score higher than Frolova?

 

[Alex65]

But didn't Tarakanova score higher than Frolova?

I think that the federation is up to date with all the leading skaters, including the young ones. They chose the best at the moment, although I would not rule out some protectionism of CSKA.

 

[lpt]

The results of the YOG show that Russia is beatable.

What, the fact that 8th and 13th ranked Russian ladies (juniors) are beatable by the 1st ranked Korean lady (senior) shows that "Russia is beatable"?

 

[SkySkater]

But didn't Tarakanova score higher than Frolova?

Technically Frolova had higher results on the jgp than Tarakanova as she had easier assignments so she was able to get a silver and a bronze even though Nastya outscored her at least once but only got two bronzes. Additionally Nastya was injured before senior nats and didn't compete there/might not be ready especially as her priority should be junior nationals. As well, the fact that Frolova is now at CSKA must have played a role as it meant even with the pulling of Vasilieva CSKA would still have a girl there which may have allowed them to exert some influence over the decision and I have to say that I can't imagine them pulling Vasilieva if the spot wasn't going to go to a girl from their own school but I might just be cynical.

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What, the fact that 8th and 13th ranked Russian ladies (juniors) are beatable by the 1st ranked Korean lady (senior) shows that "Russia is beatable"?

Sintisyna and Frolova got 5th and 6th at Russian senior nationals and did very well--what are you trying to imply

 

[Tolstoj]

The results of the YOG show that Russia is beatable.

If you have more difficult technical contents than the russians sure, but that's not something you can always rely on.

Also Young You is not just a random non-russian skater.

We know she has been Korea's biggest hope since 2016 when she won Nationals at the age of 12, we know how many hours every day she trains, and btw she had beated Sinitsyna already last year in Russia at the Children of Asia.

 

[DenissVFan]

And your statement just proved my point.

But let me make myself clear. I find it such a pity that such a great skater like Alysa wasn't in YOG. Every other country threw in their best.
But if US thinks Nationals is more important than high level international competitions I guess it's up to them.

I guess it's hard for people to wrap their heads around the fact that national championships may be seen as more important than Youth Olympics or 4CC (ISU championships).

 

[Fluture]

What, the fact that 8th and 13th ranked Russian ladies (juniors) are beatable by the 1st ranked Korean lady (senior) shows that "Russia is beatable"?

8th?? If Kseniia’s the 8th best junior, then who’s above her? Kamila, maybe Daria (I don’t think so, though, tbh) but who else? I’m confused. Same for Frolova. She most likely won’t make the team but I can’t see 12 junior eligible ladies who are supposedly better than her. If so, surely two of them could have been found to get sent to YOG? Imo, You can very well compete with the Russian juniors (and seniors other than the 3A) and there‘s no shame in that. She’s a great athlete and a great rival. Isn’t it good that we have some ladies who can compete with the Russians and beat them occasionally? Why do they need to be unbeatable? Athletes learn from defeats, Kseniia and Anna will learn. No need to be mean to them, acting as if they were just some random Russian juniors when they‘re clearly not.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

8th?? If Kseniia’s the 8th best junior, then who’s above her? Kamila, maybe Daria (I don’t think so, though, tbh) but who else? I’m confused. Same for Frolova. She most likely won’t make the team but I can’t see 12 junior eligible ladies who are supposedly better than her. If so, surely two of them could have been found to get sent to YOG? Imo, You can very well compete with the Russian juniors (and seniors other than the 3A) and there‘s no shame in that. She’s a great athlete and a great rival. Isn’t it good that we have some ladies who can compete with the Russians and beat them occasionally? Why do they need to be unbeatable? Athletes learn from defeats, Kseniia and Anna will learn. No need to be mean to them, acting as if they were just some random Russian juniors when they‘re clearly not.

I think the only logical way this person meant it is, that from seniors and juniors Sinitsyna ans Frolova are 8th and 13th, but even then I don't think that would be right. Because they placed way higher at russian nationals and are definitely not 8th and 13th in any way.

 

[KOBOT37]

Russia is of course, beatable.

Only problem is that... so far, Eteri isn't

 

[flanker]

As for world standings, Young You is 19th, Kseniia Sinitsina 50th and Anna Frolova 130th. Both russian girls are quality skaters, though not as much experienced so far. It is a difference when Kseniia last season had one JGP entry and attended junior worlds as a substitude and only this season started to compete fully at international level, while Young You is proceeding through third international season, taken from the beginning as future korean No. 1 (though the previous two seasons she remained far behind expectations). Frolova changed choaches just recently and I would say she should have some season of protection before making a judgements about her. More than that, this was her only third international competition so far.

But if anybody came to the conclusion that the fact that respectable, but younger, much less experienced skaters from Russia, who still will have to fight for their place at the top in their category in their country (not to mention international field), were defeated by older, more experienced korean contemporary No. 1 on, lets face it, less importatnt cometition than J/GPF or junior worlds, is a sign of something bigger, even a trend, than of course it is his right to think so. My right is to say "what the hell"

It's not that Young wouldn't be quality skater, but honestly, this is the very first season where she is at least getting closer to the original expectations and hopes put into her. Also, russian skaters who started international competitions at the same time as her are on a completely different level already and the others are just too young in this moment or injured (Kanysheva).

 

[lpt]

I think the only logical way this person meant it is, that from seniors and juniors Sinitsyna ans Frolova are 8th and 13th, but even then I don't think that would be right. Because they placed way higher at russian nationals and are definitely not 8th and 13th in any way.

Sinitsyna is definitely not stronger than Zagitova, Medvedeva or Valieva who weren't at RusNats.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

Sinitsyna is definitely not stronger than Zagitova, Medvedeva or Valieva who weren't at RusNats.

Yeah I mean those are the ifs, no? In my opinion, since they didn't compete that of right now makes Sinitsyna 'better'(of course she would lose against them if she skated against them but well they didn't skate) I really don't like the whole 'whatabouts' sometimes because like thats just undermining success of certain skaters because you can always say 'well x skater didn't skate so ACTUALLY y skater isn't the strongest'

 

[SkySkater]

Also can i just point out that Young You's score here is the second highest junior score all season--she would only have been beaten by Valieva at Chelyabinsk where Valieva had generous scoring and landed two quad toes. Young You skated very well and was scored very well here and probably was unbeatable by any but a clean Valieva with quads (she only got in the 200s at JGPF) or a clean Alysa without unders called. Thus is it really suprising that she won when she got such a score--if she got 205 and won I could see the argument that an Eteri girl would have beaten her but with 213 Daria and Maria would have had no chance, a healthy Kanysheva would have had close to no chance (she never broke 210) and even Valieva would have struggled. Let's be fair instead of hating on the girls for understandably not winning.

 

[katymay]

The results of the YOG show that Russia is beatable. Neverthless it was a good effort despite some falls. I am curious if Trusova though has grown since say November. It is interesting her last two competitions all the problems she has had with her jumps. When it comes to worlds though I don't think Young YOU will be the threat I think it is Rika. ET has had issues/injuries so Rika could be the Russian slayer so to speak. If not gold could talk a podium sot. Still if the 3As can avoid puberty a medal sweep isn't implausible.

Young You has stronger jumps than Rika, except for the triple axel. She has also landed two different quads in practice (T and L ). You is always going to be a top threat. Trusova-I am very worried about. At RN's she seems to have lost weight and jumping strength. I hope she has regained both weight and her strength.

 

[Scott512]

No, they didn't. Trusova and Shcherbakova were eligible. They are the same age as Young You.

Actually skaters born every fourth year can't compete at YOG just because the age eligibility covers 3 years. This year skaters born in 2003-2005 are eligible, in 2016 born in 1999-2001, in 2012 - in 1995-1997. What means that those born in 1998 and 2002 were excluded from the competition according to the rules, like Samarin and Rizzo was - and Kamila Valieva is/will be as she's born in the next "excluding" year: 2006.

EDIT: haha, Flanker was faster to mention it

Why did Korea get to send their best skater to the youth Olympic Games but Russia did not with Anna and Sasha who are the same age as YY and all three are seniors? What the Russians have to rest up for euros? Nonsense. Russia's B team would sweep the podium there.

 

[SkySkater]

Why did Korea get to send their best skater to the youth Olympic Games but Russia did not with Anna and Sasha who are the same age as YY and all three are seniors? What the Russians have to rest up for euros? Nonsense. Russia's B team would sweep the podium there.

Because Russia didn't want to send Sasha and Anna for whatever reason. Ryabova was at worlds last year and she competed at Youth Olympics--there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to.

 

[elysium]

Why did Korea get to send their best skater to the youth Olympic Games but Russia did not with Anna and Sasha who are the same age as YY and all three are seniors? What the Russians have to rest up for euros? Nonsense. Russia's B team would sweep the podium there.

Europeans is around the corner, Anna and Sasha are probably preparing for that.

 

[lpt]

Yeah I mean those are the ifs, no? In my opinion, since they didn't compete that of right now makes Sinitsyna 'better'

Flawed logic. Sinitsyna did compete at RusNats, Zagitova and Medvedeva didn't. Sinitsyna didn't compete at senior GP, Zagitova and Medvedeva did. Doesn't matter. RusNats is just another tournament in the row. Sinitsyna is definitely not in top-7 of Russian ladies, who are 3A, Zag, Med, Tuk and Kamila.