2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Sinitsyna is very artistic and mature. Facial expressions aren’t the only way to express emotion.

 

[Elucidus]

There is some inside info leaks from Eteri camp training. They say Kostornaia landed 4S. There aren't any proofs yet - but such rumors appeared recently
Another rumor - they say one from 3A parents decided to leave Eteri team during NY celebrations. The move will be at the end of the season. Take it as you will

 

[SkateSkates]

There is some inside info leaks from Eteri camp training. They say Kostornaia landed 4S. There aren't any proofs yet - but such rumors appeared recently
Another rumor - they say one from 3A parents decided to leave Eteri team during NY celebrations. The move will be at the end of the season. Take it as you will

Whattt....both of these rumors make me very nervous. Can you pm me where you saw this info?

 

[BabySloth]

There is some inside info leaks from Eteri camp training. They say Kostornaia landed 4S. There aren't any proofs yet - but such rumors appeared recently
Another rumor - they say one from 3A parents decided to leave Eteri team during NY celebrations. The move will be at the end of the season. Take it as you will

Daniil officially said after RusNats that Kostornaia has already landed the 4S in practice, if I remember correctly. So I don't see what's the news in that.

And that leaving story? There was one last season as well...

Probably someone stirring the pot as we don't have any news at the moment...

 

[ruga]

There is some inside info leaks from Eteri camp training. They say Kostornaia landed 4S. There aren't any proofs yet - but such rumors appeared recently
Another rumor - they say one from 3A parents decided to leave Eteri team during NY celebrations. The move will be at the end of the season. Take it as you will

Ok I may believe the 4S one, Daniil G said she was training it and even wanted to try at competition, so it's not surprising that after a few weeks of practice she got it.

There are rumours about someone leaving coaches, especially Eteri, all the time. I mean, it can't be Aliona if she just landed a quad and has been great throughout the season, nor it is Anna who just won RusNats. Only Sasha remains, she probably isn't satisfied with 3rd places, but it can change easily. Well, it could be Alina too (the most likely of all possibilities if the rumour is even true), but not sure if she is included in the 3A. Anything can happen until the end of the season though. There is only one gold and disappointments are bound to happen.

 

[LRK]

There will be some other government. Will be there any difference? Just like in Yes, minister:

Sir Humphrey: How's your new Cabinet?
Sir Arnold: No problem. Similar to the last one.

Just have to say - :thumbsup: for quoting Yes, minister. Warms my heart.

 

[Elucidus]

Compare to Nathan Chen quad lutz. Or perhaps more humane: How about comparing her quad lutz to what the actual definition of a lutz takeoff is? A lutz has a toe pick takeoff assist, not half or more of the blade assisting. Despite tech panels ratifying her "lutz" and the judges going along with the entire charade, whatever Anna is doing, it isn't really a lutz. I'm frankly surprised that Team Eteri has let her get away with this questionable technique....but I guess, whatever wins them medals....

Why I am always hearing about this mythic definition but noone showed me it even once despite how many times I asked to provide me with official lutz definition from ISU rules? Definitely there is something fishy going on :scratch3:
Look, this constant abusing of artificially-made "half-blade assistance" term is getting really, really, really old, tbh. That, and using it exclusively against Eteri skaters. Ok, I even play on your side - here are examples of so called half-blade assistance from other skaters - to make it look somewhat less biased:

https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/6/d2/9efea291a11ea8ff0c00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
Satoko Miyahara's "blade assisted" 3Lz from Japanese Nationals 2019 FS

https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/e/48/ac0be291a11ea8ff0c00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
Yuma Kagiyama's "blade assisted" 3F+3T from Japanese Nationals 2019 FS

https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/c/53/cffd2291b11ea8ff0c00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
Yuzuru Hanyu's "blade assisted" 4T from Japanese Nationals 2019 FS

https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/e/32/a24ca291b11ea8ff0c00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
Yuzuru Hanyu's "blade assisted" and half-turn prerotated 4T+Eu+3S from Japanese Nationals 2019 FS

https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/b/13/c52fa291e11ea8ff0c00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
Marin Honda's "blade assisted" 3F+2T+2Lo from Japanese Nationals 2019 FS

and many, many, many more - thousands of them, everywhere.

Still, unless you can provide official "toe pick assistance" or "poor takeoff" definitions from ISU rules (i.e. what the distance and angle between blade and ice during takeoff should be to consider it "proper") - noone is gonna take your words seriously

 

[Resa]

Why I am always hearing about this mythic definition but noone showed me it even once despite how many times I asked to provide me with official lutz definition from ISU rules? Definitely there is something fishy going on :scratch3:
Look, this constant abusing of artificially-made "half-blade assistance" term is getting really, really, really old, tbh. That, and using it exclusively against Eteri skaters. Ok, I even play on your side - here are examples of so called half-blade assistance from other skaters - to make it look somewhat less biased:

https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/6/d2/9efea291a11ea8ff0c00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
Satoko Miyahara's "blade assisted" 3Lz from Japanese Nationals 2019 FS

https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/e/48/ac0be291a11ea8ff0c00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
Yuma Kagiyama's "blade assisted" 3F+3T from Japanese Nationals 2019 FS

https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/c/53/cffd2291b11ea8ff0c00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
Yuzuru Hanyu's "blade assisted" 4T from Japanese Nationals 2019 FS

https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/e/32/a24ca291b11ea8ff0c00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
Yuzuru Hanyu's "blade assisted" and half-turn prerotated 4T+Eu+3S from Japanese Nationals 2019 FS

https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/b/13/c52fa291e11ea8ff0c00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
Marin Honda's "blade assisted" 3F+2T+2Lo from Japanese Nationals 2019 FS

and many, many, many more - thousands of them, everywhere.

Still, unless you can provide official "toe pick assistance" or "poor takeoff" definitions from ISU rules (i.e. what the distance and angle between blade and ice during takeoff should be to consider it "proper") - noone is gonna take your words seriously

There are ISU guidelines and official ISU-made videos of all the jumps. Just look it up.

 

[Arbitrary]

There is some inside info leaks from Eteri camp training. They say Kostornaia landed 4S. There aren't any proofs yet - but such rumors appeared recently
Another rumor - they say one from 3A parents decided to leave Eteri team during NY celebrations. The move will be at the end of the season. Take it as you will

I have my guess who is this one. A pity for her.

 

[Elucidus]

There are ISU guidelines and official ISU-made videos of all the jumps. Just look it up.

I've seen them.
1) ISU guidelines and ISU videos != ISU rules and ISU definitions
2) providing an educational example of a jump made with certain technique - does not mean that technique is only one allowed (i.e. there are one-foot salchovs and two-foot salchovs). Unless there are examples of incorrect techniques as well. As far as I've seen - "blade assistance" and "prerotation" weren't among them.
3) even in guidelines and videos I couldn't find any confirmation that "blade assistance"= poor takeoff or any definition of what exactly is proper "toe pick assistance"

 

[Elucidus]

I have my guess who is this one. A pity for her.

Yeah, most likely it's Trusova. The fact that she was the only one without any NY shows invitations was quite telling too. We will see though..

 

[Edwin]

Sinitsyna is very artistic and mature. Facial expressions aren’t the only way to express emotion.

Only us TV viewers and front row spectators have any chance to see, let even study, facial expressions in close up. Judges are too busy with posture, blades and skills to take particular notice of 'artistic' facial impressions.

Sinitsyna's routines are very artistic in my eyes, her 'Alfonsina y el mar' to me is even with the best routines from Shcherbakova and one of my absolute highlights this season. Esp. the sequence that starts around 1:50 in the program, so delicate and touching.

Sinitsyna's YOG outing wasn't her best since JGP, and I wonder what this apparent lack of stability will do for her chances to make the senior team next season. How many more competitions are there for her to prove herself?

 

[macy]

Yeah, most likely it's Trusova. The fact that she was the only one without any NY shows invitations was quite telling too. We will see though..

if the rumor is true, i also have a feeling it's Sasha. But i'm confused as to why they would have made this decision halfway through the season with worlds and Euros still yet to come, and only in her first senior season...seems a bit jumping the gun, unless there is something else going on. i just hope it's false...all 3 girls have so much potential yet to be recognized and none have stagnated under Eteri.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

There are rumours about someone leaving coaches, especially Eteri, all the time. I mean, it can't be Aliona if she just landed a quad and has been great throughout the season, nor it is Anna who just won RusNats. Only Sasha remains, she probably isn't satisfied with 3rd places, but it can change easily. Well, it could be Alina too (the most likely of all possibilities if the rumour is even true), but not sure if she is included in the 3A. Anything can happen until the end of the season though. There is only one gold and disappointments are bound to happen.

It's a tricky situation to have the three top skaters in the world coached by the same team. A lot of the strategic planning (i.e. jump layouts, music selection, etc.) entails maximizing the likelihood of winning, but that also means helping each skater beat your other pupils. In the last few events, Sasha has underperformed based on what she's capable of doing, and another coaching team might have her do fewer quads to regain her confidence instead of taking too much risk to win that leaves her vulnerable to defeat by skaters like Rika. I think Eteri's team does a great job given the situation, but I don't know if it's really possible to help that many skaters maximize their potential.

 

[Edwin]

LOL, Volkov wants Trusova back ( so he can slight her some more) and only Plyushchenko has the money to buy ready made skaters 'to improve' and 'give the attention a proper champion is due' :dev2:

Or perhaps Arutyunyan, since he is so keen on under age girl skaters who he can unteach the quads and create this real mature feminine skater of his desire?

 

[Alex65]

Yeah, most likely it's Trusova. The fact that she was the only one without any NY shows invitations was quite telling too. We will see though..

What are you doing? This is all the gossip from those people who never wished good to these girls.

 

[Good Vibes Only]

I believe the rumor about Kostornaia landing a quad salchow, but I don’t believe in the rumor of one of the 3A leaving Eteri. It would make no sense for one of them to leave during the middle of the season and they know it. At the end of this season would be more likely. I don’t think that Sasha would leave during the middle of the season. Last season she had similar results to what she is having now: two golds at her GPs, bronze at the GPF, and bronze at Russian Nationals. Last season it was: two JGP golds, silver at GPF, and silver at Russian Nationals. Then Sasha ended up winning Junior Nats and Junior Worlds. I think that she would at least wait until the end of the season and see what happens, then move to a different coach if she isn’t satisfied with the results. This is what makes the most sense in my opinion, so it is going to be my theory. Although I still don’t believe the rumor.

 

[Arbitrary]

What are you doing? This is all the gossip from those people who never wished good to these girls.

I wish all good to Sasha. Unfortunately good for her or any other of Aces would be being the only apprentice if TUT.

Last two seasons, after JWC-18, her programs were least successful among other aces.
Music, chireo, GOE, PCS...

 

[esteticlove]

The rumour about Trusova doesn't make any sense. She's really proud of her quads and Eteri offers the only coaching team, who can teach successfully girls to land quads.
Honestly, I thought it could have been Anna, since her parents seem to be very protective for her and they have mentioned many times that her education should be more important than skating. Though, at the same time she just got her 2nd National title and is gaining more and more power in the FS world. I don't believe that they would just stop her now.

 

[Alex65]

I wish all good to Sasha. Unfortunately good for her or any other of Aces would be being the only apprentice if TUT.

Last two seasons, after JWC-18, her programs were least successful among other aces.
Music, chоreo, GOE, PCS...

What a stupid thing! Such a messages is spam trolls on sports.ru. Everyone is used to it there, why bring it here?
She is twice the young champion of the country and the world in the previous two years. And the current season is open to her and everything is in her hands. The fact that she failed at the previous two starts should make her only stronger and angrier. I think that Sasha understands where the problem is. Like her parents and her coaches.