2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Jontor]

Pure mathematics.

4T-1Eu-3S + 10% is slightly higher than 4Lz-3T in the 1st half.
Trusova is able to land two quads in the 2nd half (which is a pretty achievement by itself). 4T is her most stable jump and less demanding than 4Lz. Nobody (of female skaters) ever landed 4Lz in the 2nd half.

I'd expect her 4Lo done in some time. This jump deserves more BV, maybe higher than 4Lz. Say, 12.0 COP and 4A should be 13.5-14...

Compared to Anna the difference with GOE +3 between them is:

Sasha vs Anna

4T+3T vs 4Lz+3T --> -2.60
3F vs 4F --> -7.41
4T+Eu+3S vs 3F+Eu+3S --> +5.88

Total -4.13 points against Anna

However, I think Sasha has a much higher chance in going clean than Anna. So I think this layout is good for her.

 

[Fluture]

Edwin, I don‘t know where you took your info from but group 4 with all three girls is on the ice right now.

 

[Jontor]

Edwin, I don‘t know where you took your info from but group 4 with all three girls is on the ice right now.

Great! If you have the time, Fluture, you know we would love to hear how the training goes.

 

[Edwin]

Edwin, I don‘t know where you took your info from but group 4 with all three girls is on the ice right now.

This video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOGPcnT1zLw, it just popped up tomorrow but is from January 23, so I messed up

 

[GINO]

Sasha vs Anna

2A vs 4F --> -10.01

I don’t understand why you comparing 2A with 4F? Sasha just removed one revolution from her 4F and now jumps 3F instead of him. Both Anna and Sasha have only one 2A.

 

[Elaine]

Compared to Anna the difference with GOE +3 between them is:

Sasha vs Anna

4T+3T vs 4Lz+3T --> -2.60
2A vs 4F --> -10.01
4T+Eu+3S vs 3F+Eu+3S --> +5.88

Total -6.73 points against Anna

However, I think Sasha has a much higher chance in going clean than Anna. So I think this layout is good for her.

Sasha replaced her 4F with 3F. 4S with 3Lz. She had one 2A in her 5 quad layout and still has only one 2A in her 3 quad layout.

 

[Jontor]

I don’t understand why you comparing 2A with 4F? Sasha just removed one revolution from her 4F and now jumps 3F instead of him. Both Anna and Sasha have only one 2A.

Yes. My mistake. It should be
3F vs 4F --> -7.41

And the total then -4.13 points against Anna.
I've corrected my post above.

 

[Fluture]

This video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOGPcnT1zLw, it just popped up tomorrow but is from January 23, so I messed up

Don‘t worry! I was just scared for a moment because I got up early to see the practice and was afraid I‘d missed it.

Great! If you have the time, Fluture, you know we would love to hear how the training goes.

Training‘s finished and I took a bunch of videos. My video quality is truly miserable but I might make an instagram account to post them.

In general, my impressions from the training:

Sasha had an okay runthrough, she landed one of the quads, I think. (Or two, I’m really sorry but I don’t remember exactly, there were so many quad attempts from her )She‘s indeed doing 3 quads, two 4T and one 4Lz. Her other triples looked perfect. Her tenacity is truly admirable, though. She was on the ice and kept trying her jumps until the last second. After her runthrough she tried a bunch of 4Lz but none worked out, falls or doubles only. But in the last few seconds, when the lady already announced the end of the training, she did a beautiful 4Lz. This girl is INCREDIBLE. Sorry but I‘m in awe. I like her program much more also without the 2 additional quads, there were some nice moments. I again had a problem with her step sequence though. Her ice coverage is just not good. I sat in the middle (premium seats ) for the practice and her step sequence was only in front of my face and the left side of the rink, the other again completely ignored. I will have to wait and see how it looks in the FS today. Other than that she did a few quads at the beginning of the program and they all looked good to me, save for a few troubles here and there.

The Dance Freedance is about to start so I don‘t have much time. I‘ll make it short for Anna and Aliona. Anna landed two quads in the runthrough and did a bunch if other solid triples. She drilled the 3Lz+3Lo and they looked beautiful in the beginning but became more eeked out towards the end, I guess she was just tired. Aliona had a solid runthrough, landed the axels. Her jumps all look a little rougher than I remember them, so I guess she‘s still growing. Other than that, she didn‘t jump too much. I only saw one 3A attempt outside of the runthrough but it was beautifully landed. Didn‘t manage to catch it on video tho because I was filming a jump from Sasha. That‘s all for the moment because as I said, ice Dance‘s starting.

But it was truly incredible to see these girls in practice, I liked it almost as much as the competition itself.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

How much longer until the ladies long program? I’m too excited!!!
I’m on eastern time in the US.

 

[ruga]

How much longer until the ladies long program? I’m too excited!!!
I’m on eastern time in the US.

5 hours until the beginning

 

[Arbitrary]

Sasha and Anna skated one-quad mocks during the last practice. Alyona skated full FP.

 

[silveruskate]

Pure mathematics.

4T-1Eu-3S + 10% is slightly higher than 4Lz-3T in the 1st half.
Trusova is able to land two quads in the 2nd half (which is a pretty achievement by itself). 4T is her most stable jump and less demanding than 4Lz. Nobody (of female skaters) ever landed 4Lz in the 2nd half.

I'd expect her 4Lo done in some time. This jump deserves more BV, maybe higher than 4Lz. Say, 12.0 COP and 4A should be 13.5-14...

But remember higher GoE possibility for 4Lz, and 4T-eu-3S is using one of the bonus spaces so you have to minus off what she would have jumped there otherwise. I'm assuming Sasha's 4Lz combination isn't stable but who knows.

 

[esteticlove]

I guess my figure skating fan experience this season will be limited to watching competitions and ranting about Anna's low scores. In my opinion, this was her best SP skate so far, even though the numbers don't imply that. So, I really don't know what she's expected to do in order to hit the 80s. Walk on her hands on the ice?! Everything was stunningly executed - jumps, spins, steps..and oh, God, her interpretation! I also thought that she threw one of her best 2A ever here. It would be fair to say that her Lutz edge is still not clear, but other than that...you can't critize that much about her. Also, I had the impression that she has sharpened her skating skills, in the StepSeq she showed some very very deep edges and her spiral into the jump combination was very stable. That's why I don't really understand her scores in comparison to her team mates. I'll probably get burned down for my comment - but in this particual competition I didn't get the feeling that Aliona was that far superior in regarding to skating skills than Anna. Yes, Aliona is the queen of speed and acceleration, also her change of edges into the 3A is amazing, however, her StepSeq was a hot mess and it sill got almost the same GOE as Anna's...

 

[Arbitrary]

But remember higher GoE possibility for 4Lz, and 4T-eu-3S is using one of the bonus spaces so you have to minus off what she would have jumped there otherwise. I'm assuming Sasha's 4Lz combination isn't stable but who knows.

I have a bad feeling Sasha's denied to jump what she wants. TTFP cannot afford to push one Ace too much above other two.
Sasha did land 4Lz3T in competition and 4Lz3Lo in practice. Yet the Team things the combos better to move to the bonus zone.

There's a difference when building the program to win. To maximize the overall BV or to maximize the specific elements?

 

[SkateSkates]

Sasha said she wasn’t fully back to her top condition after the holidays, which is why she is going for this scaled back layout. I would think that executing a layout that is currently within her abilities and maintaining her health is the most important thing. I’m sure if she was physically ready to do more quads at this time she would, but it’s not worth the risk. Worlds is coming up and she needs to be at full strength there.

 

[Jontor]

Good luck to everyone today! Hope you all have a great skate!

 

[kallirroe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM2PF8MdHSM

Seeing again Sashas performance , i must say she is really really improved since Test Skates. Her arms, whole body and legs are smoother, she keeps the position longer and it seems that she is doing that because she understands the meaning of it and not only because ''holding on the positions is more beautiful and gets you PCS''. Her step sequence i think it is among the best between the three. Not only they are really quick, she is really precise with every movement and , honestly, with great musicality and tempo! I think that people not wanting Sasha to be awarded higher PCS is because , unfortunately, Sasha has the rumour of the ''quad-machine'' girl who does not care for the PCS and she must work 2 times harder to prove that she is not this image that others have made for her . Judges, fortunately, have started to see the improvements and give the girls a boost because she IS much better than junior, where she was getting even better PCS score... Lets hope for a clean free!! :agree:

 

[renebaebae]

Pure mathematics.

4T-1Eu-3S + 10% is slightly higher than 4Lz-3T in the 1st half.
Trusova is able to land two quads in the 2nd half (which is a pretty achievement by itself). 4T is her most stable jump and less demanding than 4Lz. Nobody (of female skaters) ever landed 4Lz in the 2nd half.

I'd expect her 4Lo done in some time. This jump deserves more BV, maybe higher than 4Lz. Say, 12.0 COP and 4A should be 13.5-14...

No I'm not talking about the 2nd 4T. I'm talking about the 1st 4T which she has now moved to the 1st half right after her 4Lz according to her practice that I watched. Now she's doing a 4T+3T in the 1st half which is just not valuable to me because she can replace that with a 2nd 4Lz since it's now in the first half and she'll have enough energy for it.

 

[nussnacker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM2PF8MdHSM

Seeing again Sashas performance , i must say she is really really improved since Test Skates. Her arms, whole body and legs are smoother, she keeps the position longer and it seems that she is doing that because she understands the meaning of it and not only because ''holding on the positions is more beautiful and gets you PCS''. Her step sequence i think it is among the best between the three. Not only they are really quick, she is really precise with every movement and , honestly, with great musicality and tempo! I think that people not wanting Sasha to be awarded higher PCS is because , unfortunately, Sasha has the rumour of the ''quad-machine'' girl who does not care for the PCS and she must work 2 times harder to prove that she is not this image that others have made for her . Judges, fortunately, have started to see the improvements and give the girls a boost because she IS much better than junior, where she was getting even better PCS score... Lets hope for a clean free!! :agree:

Oh, you got my thoughts exactly right!
I think people often have an opinion about someone, based on their image that is more known to the public, and don’t even try to watch the performances.

It’s like everyone says “Sasha is so bad” and people will forever keep saying “Sasha can’t earn good PCS”, no matter what she does now... and I have a feeling they don’t even try to watch how she’s performing.

I remember watching her first as a junior, when she was doing the most insane transitions in/out of jumps, without any prep, better than any skater I saw. She can make jumps a truly seamless part of the performance.
I was in awe, and so were the commentators saying her skating is insanely good.

But now that she’s labeled as “she can’t get good pcs”, I feel like people will forever keep that opinion, no matter what she does.

 

[Amei]

I guess my figure skating fan experience this season will be limited to watching competitions and ranting about Anna's low scores. In my opinion, this was her best SP skate so far, even though the numbers don't imply that. So, I really don't know what she's expected to do in order to hit the 80s. Walk on her hands on the ice?! Everything was stunningly executed - jumps, spins, steps..and oh, God, her interpretation! I also thought that she threw one of her best 2A ever here. It would be fair to say that her Lutz edge is still not clear, but other than that...you can't critize that much about her. Also, I had the impression that she has sharpened her skating skills, in the StepSeq she showed some very very deep edges and her spiral into the jump combination was very stable. That's why I don't really understand her scores in comparison to her team mates. I'll probably get burned down for my comment - but in this particual competition I didn't get the feeling that Aliona was that far superior in regarding to skating skills than Anna. Yes, Aliona is the queen of speed and acceleration, also her change of edges into the 3A is amazing, however, her StepSeq was a hot mess and it sill got almost the same GOE as Anna's...

The only women that have scored 80 or more points this season have been skaters doing a triple axel. She's doing the most difficult combination in the second half and she got good PCS scores. So until she does a triple axel in the short or they allow quads in the SP, I don't think she's going to get 80 points.