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Am I the only one who thinks that PCS wise Anna's SP is a lot stronger than her FS? I LOVE her SP and it's one of my favourite shorts of the season, but her free just doesn't seem to be on that level for me.

I think it's because her FP is so fast paced, she almost has to rush to keep up. I mean she can barely squeak out that last spin before her music cuts her off, and that is a result of the pure stupidity of Eteri/Daniil. Her Biellmann spin is literally the best in the game and they don't even let her show it off...:rolleye:
 
What difference would it have made here?

As for PCS, I think everyone can agree Alena's SS are better, but being transfixed depends on person to person, as we've seen on this page. I wasn't in the audience so I couldn't tell who the crowd loved more, but from my screen I could see Anna was performing her program much more. From reactions, I can see Ted seems always completely into Anna's expressiveness, and Alena's. And in the press conference someone singled out Anna's FS for not only being technically impressive but also artistically brilliant and asked her to explain how she went about her performing her program and music. SS aside, because this is Anna's weakest area imo, what do you think she needs to improve in PE/IN, or even TR (besides holding things longer as that's her choreography so she can't really change it)? I thought she was performing in every inch of her body through her entire program and as far as I can tell from your recaps you thought so too. So how is she to improve to score higher there (or even the same as Alena's performance today)? How can she look more mature besides actually changing how she looks?

It wouldn‘t have changed anything in my opinion because the scores were alright the way they were. My only argument is that people cannot be indignant about what might be one harsh UR call for Anna when, at the same time, she got away with 5 uncalled lutz !.

Maturity isn‘t about the way your body looks (that would be horrible!) but about the way you skate. And it only comes with experience and shows in every PCS category. I know many people don’t see it but there is a difference in portraying Firebird at 15 or at 20. Neither of the 3A is there yet but Aliona‘s the most and it only helps that she‘s skating to Twilight which is not exactly a well choreographed program but easier to make believable. Anyway, I won‘t argue further about this.

I am saddened but not surprised at all by the reaction in this thread, by the very same people who swore they‘d always love all girls. Well, looks like the one who ends up winning has already lost that love. That‘s alright, Aliona will survive. I do hope she knows she has fans who love her and who think she TOTALLY deserved that win, though.
 
I won't even mention Medvedeva (who, frankly doesn't even belong to this conversation, she doesn't even deserve to be alternate)

Medvedeva has the fifth highest score of the season. Behind only the 3A and Rika. Her SB was on par with Sasha‘s score at her last two competitions. So the only thing she doesn‘t deserve is anybody talking about her like that. I‘m not saying she should replace Sasha for Worlds (she has already ended her season anyway afaik) but that your words are not only uncalled for but factually incorrect.

Anyway, I guess I‘ll leave this thread for a few days. It‘s a hot, toxic mess. Congratulations to Aliona Kostornaya, rightful European Champion and now GPF AND Euros Champ. :agree: And congrats to the other two wonderful ladies as well. Now hoping for clean skates at Worlds.
 
I don't like how the media is handling the success of the 3A (even though it's the expected behaviour). All of those stupid questions at the press conference really affect their psychological wellbeing imo, and those questions are present in all newspapers and social media. All 3 want to win and they're quite sad when they don't, understandably so. I worry about them. They're so young. It must be so hard to be on that coaching team, it's a very hard situation to manage.
 
I just hope Tiny Boss goes crazy and wins WC with a bunch of ill advised quads. She’s so ..... my spirit animal !!
 
*UPDATED* Russian Ladies in the SB list after European Championships - 27 (of 30) events

1 (1) - Alena Kostornaia, RUS 247.59 - GP Final (world record)
2 (2) - Alexandra Trusova, RUS 241.02 - GP Skate Canada (former world record)
3 (3) - Anna Shcherbakova, RUS 240.92 - GP Final
4 (4) - Rika Kihira, JPN 231.84 - GP NHK Trophy
5 (5) - Evgenia Medvedeva, RUS 225.76 - GP Rostelecom Cup
6 (6) - Kamila Valieva (J), RUS 221.95 - JGP Chelyabinsk
7 (7) - Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, RUS 221.15 - CS Golden Spin of Zagreb
8 (8) - Alina Zagitova, RUS 217.99 - GP NHK Trophy
9 (9) - Young You, KOR 217.49 - GP Skate Canada
10 (10) - Bradie Tennell, USA 216.14 - GP Skate America
11 (11) - Ksenia Sinitsyna, RUS 215.58 - JGP Egna/Neumarkt
12 (12) - Mariah Bell, USA 212.89 - GP Internationaux de France
13 (13) - Satoko Miyahara, JPN 211.18 - GP Cup of China
14 (14) - Alysa Liu (J), USA 208.10 - JGP Lake Placid
15 (15) - Haein Lee, KOR 203.40 - JGP Croatia Cup
16 (16) - Kaori Sakamoto, JPN 202.47 - GP Skate America
17 (17) - Ekaterina Kurakova, POL 201.47 - CS Warsaw Cup
18 (18) - Daria Usacheva (J), RUS 200.37 - JGP Final
19 (19) - Viktoria Vasilieva, RUS 198.79 - JGP Chelyabinsk
20 (20) - Eunsoo Lim, KOR 197.63 - CS Asian Open Trophy
21 (21) - Anastasia Tarakanova, RUS 194.74 - JGP Baltic Cup
22 (22) - Rino Matsuike, JPN 193.03 - JGP Riga Cup
23 (42) - Alexia Paganini, SUI 192.88 - European Championships
24 (23) - Viktoria Safonova, BLR 192.49 - CS Golden Spin of Zagreb
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27 (26) - Maiia Khromykh (J), RUS 190.73 - JGP Riga Cup
30 (29) - Anna Frolova (J), RUS 187.72 - Youth Olympic Games
31 (30) - Sofia Samodurova, RUS 187.16 - CS Ice Star Minsk
35 (34) - Elizaveta Nugumanova, RUS 186.02 - CS Warsaw Cup
49 (47) - Serafima Sakhanovich, RUS 178.27 - CS Warsaw Cup
74 (71) - Stanislava Konstantinova, RUS 162.25 - CS Nepela Memorial
86 (84) - Maria Sotskova, RUS 155.25 - CS Nepela Memorial


Paganini moves in to the Top 24. Next event will be Four Continents Championships in two weeks.
The Russian girls seem secure in the Top 24, even Vasilieva and Tarakanova.

Top 24 in the SB list, except juniors (J), are guaranteed at least one spot at the senior GP next year
Last year, to be in the Top 24 in the Seasons Best List you had to score 196.34.
 
Medvedeva has the fifth highest score of the season. Behind only the 3A and Rika. Her SB was on par with Sasha‘s score at her last two competitions. So the only thing she doesn‘t deserve is anybody talking about her like that. I‘m not saying she should replace Sasha for Worlds (she has already ended her season anyway afaik) but that your words are not only uncalled for but factually incorrect.

Anyway, I guess I‘ll leave this thread for a few days. It‘s a hot, toxic mess. Congratulations to Aliona Kostornaya, rightful European Champion and now GPF AND Euros Champ. :agree: And congrats to the other two wonderful ladies as well. Now hoping for clean skates at Worlds.

Medvedeva Failed to qualify for GPF.

Failed to get into top 6 at Russian Nationals.

Failed to win anything in a long while.

She isn't reigning champion of anything other than Russian cup so you can't even make argument that she should go as a champ. (and that would be invalid argument)

Lets be real, she has little to zero shot at beating Rika even at her best, even if Rika won't be at her best, Liza at least, can gamble on her quads like Tursinbayeva did last year.

So we have a skater who first,didn't deserve to go there(because of her failure in qualifying) and second, has very little realistic shot at winning medals.

So it's not fair and it's not rational.

why should it be considered?

and sorry but the fact that she got high scores at Rostelekom, at home, changes very little in this discussion.

and no need to get defensive,I didn't mean it as a disrespect, Alina shouldn't be considered either and I am saying this as an Team Tutberidze Fan.
 
Medvedeva Failed to qualify for GPF.

Failed to get into top 6 at Russian Nationals.

Failed to win anything in a long while.

She isn't reigning champion of anything other than Russian cup so you can't even make argument that she should go as a champ. (and that would be invalid argument)

Lets be real, she has little to zero shot at beating Rika even at her best, even if Rika won't be at her best, Liza at least, can gamble on her quads like Tursinbayeva did last year.

So we have a skater who first,didn't deserve to go there(because of her failure in qualifying) and second, has very little realistic shot at winning medals.

So it's not fair and it's not rational.

why should it be considered?

and sorry but the fact that she got high scores at Rostelekom, at home, changes very little in this discussion.

and no need to get defensive,I didn't mean it as a disrespect, Alina shouldn't be considered either and I am saying this as an Team Tutberidze Fan.

She won Shanghai Trophy over Tursynbaeva this very season, but yes, I guess this is neither a Challenger nor a GP. But she won an international tournament this season. Thing is, I didn‘t say she should be considered. She ended her season, that‘s it. 3A should go to Worlds this season because they‘ve medaled at every competition they‘ve entered - next season we’ll see what happens. But for this season it’s clear unless one gets injured. (please not :pray:)

But you chose to word your post a certain way and I objected. She‘s not completely irrelevant and had she skated the Nats FS, she would have had a more than great chance to not only finish in the top 6 but fourth and closely to the podium. Her score at Rostelecom was her highest but if we look at the scores she got for SP and FS at different competitions when she skated well (you can‘t compare Rostelecom SP to Skate Canada for example, that‘s two different things), her scores are neither astronomically high nor do they make any indication of being particularly influenced by home bonus. She was perfectly capable of scoring 225 all season long, it’s just that it happened to be Rostelecom where everything went completely right for the first time.

If you meant no disrespect, you should have worded it differently.
 
She won Shanghai Trophy over Tursynbaeva this very season, but yes, I guess this is neither a Challenger nor a GP. But she won an international tournament this season. Thing is, I didn‘t say she should be considered. She ended her season, that‘s it. But you chose to word it a certain way and I objected. She‘s not completely irrelevant and had she skated the Nats FS, she would have had a more than great chance to not only finish in the top 6 but fourth and closely to the podium. Her score at Rostelecom was her highest but if we look at the scores she got for SP and FS at different competitions when she skated well (you can‘t compare Rostelecom SP to Skate Canada for example, that‘s two different things), her scores are neither astronomically high nor do they make any indication of being particularly influenced by home bonus. She was perfectly capable of scoring 225 all season long, it’s just that it happened to be Rostelecom where everything went completely right for the first time.

If you meant no disrespect, you should have worded it differently.

Where did I say she was irrelevant ? :scratch2:

All I said was that her results this season wasn't good enough to be in conversation to replace any of 3A and frankly,that is not really a conversation, it's crystal clear-if one of 3A shouldn't go, it's Liza who should be a replacement.

And she shouldn't be considered above Alina in the replacement order either,I don't like discussing perfect 'if everything goes right' scenarios, but if you bring that Argument,then perfect Alina has higher shot at podium than perfect Medvedeva :biggrin:
 
Where did I say she was irrelevant ? :scratch2:

All I said was that her results this season wasn't good enough to be in conversation to replace any of 3A and frankly,that is not really a conversation, it's crystal clear-if one of 3A shouldn't go, it's Liza who should be a replacement.

And she shouldn't be considered above Alina in the replacement order either,I don't like discussing perfect 'if everything goes right' scenarios, but if you bring that Argument,then perfect Alina has higher shot at podium than perfect Medvedeva :biggrin:

Alina ended her season, she said so very clearly.

Zhenya might compete at a Challenger but not the Cup Final (per Brian‘s words at Euros) so that probably takes her out of any kind of scenario anyway. 3A should go to Worlds, alternate per Nationals for Euros was Liza, I don’t know what they’ll do for Worlds but I’m assuming it will be the same. I don‘t think Liza has a higher scoring potential than Evgenia, though, and isn‘t as reliable under pressure as her. That‘s just my opinion, however. Imo, Zhenya needs the rest of the season off to focus on that quad if she wants any chance for next season. Fact is, none of the 3A should be replaced this season until they want to or are injured. Next season is a different entity all together but this year, they‘ve earned it.
 
Alexandra is busy jumping quads after quads at training today (Daniil has video in his stories) :biggrin:

I‘m not sure this endless drilling is good tbh. Honestly, I noticed the same at training, especially with Anna. She was grinding the 3Lz+3Lo over and over and over again and while it was beautiful in the beginning, it became worse every time she tried it. Which is normal, she‘s only human... What is interesting is that Sasha and Anna kept drilling their quads and jumps while Aliona spent the majority of training on stroking and just skating around. I think I saw her do one or two attempts of every jump outside of the runthrough but that‘s it. I was actually worried she might be injured but she looked calmer than usually in training and I think in the end it‘s the more sensible strategy. Try out your elements a few times, do the runthrough and let it be. I felt like she was the only one who had any kind of physical energy left at the end of her runthrough. The other two just seemed as if they were running out of gas. I admire them for their tenacity and strength but I wish someone had told them: “Stop, you‘re overworking yourself.“ All the same, watching their different approaches to training was almost as fascinating as the competition itself.

(And the same in the warm-up btw. Aliona did ONE 3A attempt and that was wonky and a step out. But then she nailed two in the program. That takes some confidence ....)
 
Congratulations to Alyona Kostornaia for her new European Champion title ! :luv17:

Thank you 3As for outstanding performance throughout the season so far, can't imagine the pressure of being perfect at every competition, they deserves long rest to prepare the body and especially the mind for Worlds because I think it will only getting harder from now :clapper:
 
Some clippings from the various interviews:

“ Of course I'm upset. But after the Russian Championship, where I burst into tears, everyone told me that this shouldn't happen - I held on. It turned out that at the last two starts, for some reason I could not get my skating together. I think the point is in psychology. I just really want to do everything. I’m not afraid to jump quadruple jumps. I always loved it and love to do it. I like to perform with more complex content. If I declare 3 quads in the program, I have no right to make a mistake, I need to skate out everything cleanly, and with 5 quads, it’s easier for me to cope psychologically. I will not say that I am tired. It's just that my form is not the best now. After the holidays, I haven't yet fully recovered. And, as I already said, I can’t get myself together. But this is not a reason to skate badly ”, commented Sasha Trusova.

“ It was not possible to have a clean skating run, because the sensations that usually occur after successful performances were a little different this time. But I will strive to skate without errors at my next starts ”, Anna Shcherbakova admitted.

“ I didn’t think with such a skating run, with an error, I would be first. At the end of the program, I probably relaxed a bit, performed my most difficult, and it happened.

What emotions do I feel now? Very tired. There is simply no strength left. And I want to say that all that I have achieved, I owe to my coaches. They invested a lot of work into me. And I am very grateful to all my coaches. ”, Alyona Kostornaya admitted.
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From: https://fsrussia.ru/news/4882-alena...dali-vo-vsekh-chetyrekh-vidakh-programmy.html

I read in another interview Aleksandra felt more stress doing this reduced program than going all out in her quintuple quad attempts. But it seems she is learning from the experience and ready to develop herself in other directions, but probably after World Championships.

About her being substituted by the coaching council? For medaling in Montreal, I still have more faith in Aleksandra's skills, athleticism, conditioning, tenacity, ambition and mind set, than in Tuktamysheva jumping 'va banque' in her otherwise shallow program.

We'll see how the next 4-5 weeks progress, before the World Championships team is finalised.

Just as I am writing this, messages from YT pop up that Aleksandra is freely jumping triksels and quads in the gala training session. Brave and gutsy girl she is indeed. Maybe she'll put them in her EX, otherwise perhaps in the skills battle, if the ice isn't being spoiled by streamers.

Here is the FFKKR official interview right after EX training with Aleksandra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76bq8jUyXnk , Aleksandra all calm and attentive, her plait draped over her shoulder.

She is at a crossroads, she and her trainers emphasised the need for clean skating, but Aleksandra herself still very much likes to play 'ice breaker', clearing her own path and leaving all others in her wake. Otherwise, she answered all questions regarding to skating, training and future composed and measured, not giving much away.

She went loose when Olga asked into the wellbeing of the pets ;-)
 
Believe me - they wouldn't. Even Alena herself was extremely surprised to see that she won. She knew that she didn't deserve the win. Everyone were surprised. Ok, some people here would be sad about her loss - but that's it. There wouldn't be such massive indignation - that's for sure. People can sense the rigged scores even without deep knowledge of rules - do not underestimate public opinion.

What a horrible thing to say.
This is exactly the kind of thing that annoys me...just because YOU do not agree with the results doesn't mean Alyona didn't deserve it or that it was rigged.

Stop with the silly theories and bashing the winner.
 
Some skaters are just better at trainings than on actual competitions (Alina immediately jumps to mind), while some make mistakes on runthroughs and almost never repeat them during the skate (Aliona for example, she has left a few trainings in tears, but has made like 2 visible mistakes this season). Also, repeating elements that do no go well may alter muscle memory. Some athletes have mentioned that it's better to stop practicing an element if it doesn't go well and try something else for a while. Maybe that was the cause of the problem with 4Lz for Sasha?
 
I‘m not sure this endless drilling is good tbh. Honestly, I noticed the same at training, especially with Anna. She was grinding the 3Lz+3Lo over and over and over again and while it was beautiful in the beginning, it became worse every time she tried it. Which is normal, she‘s only human... What is interesting is that Sasha and Anna kept drilling their quads and jumps while Aliona spent the majority of training on stroking and just skating around. I think I saw her do one or two attempts of every jump outside of the runthrough but that‘s it. I was actually worried she might be injured but she looked calmer than usually in training and I think in the end it‘s the more sensible strategy. Try out your elements a few times, do the runthrough and let it be. I felt like she was the only one who had any kind of physical energy left at the end of her runthrough. The other two just seemed as if they were running out of gas. I admire them for their tenacity and strength but I wish someone had told them: “Stop, you‘re overworking yourself.“ All the same, watching their different approaches to training was almost as fascinating as the competition itself.

(And the same in the warm-up btw. Aliona did ONE 3A attempt and that was wonky and a step out. But then she nailed two in the program. That takes some confidence ....)

Thanks Fluture.
1st hand reports are always fascinating.
 
I'm not as worried for Sasha now, her mature and thoughtful answers to why she's had a tough time made a lot of sense.
The problem is mostly mental and who can blame her, she is only 15 and has had so much pressure on her tiny shoulders to live up to her quad queen reputation.

I love her determination and attitude, she should not be written off, already I see so many saying she's "lost her jumps" and is done...some people just want to see this young girl fail completely it seems and it is cruel.
 
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