Too much success too young eg Trusova my thoughts

[VenusHalley]

And look where Tarakanova is now? If she'd stayed, she would've been part of a quintet of Aces, given her skill level and physical prowess.

But it is no use crying over water flown under the bridge. Anastasiya's leitmotiv also should be 'keep working, only forwards'

And indeed, learning a solid and reliable triksel is her best way forwards for the future, for it forces Kostornaya and Shcherbakova to up their difficulty too. Not to mention the rest of the world ...

Maybe she did not want to be one of the interchangable As.

It seems lately Sasha is not really happy to be "one of the As" either. It just seems she is doing lots of things to stand apart, as many teenage girls would.


I think the problem with Sasha this season is... her skating is not that enjoyable to audience. I got my friend hyped up for for girls jumping quads... she watched about the top ten and then asked "why that girl in blue that fell twice got a medal?" I think lots of people were expecting a lot from her... last season she was stabilizing her quads but at the same time her spins seemed to be getting better, she seemed to be getting slowly better artistically... and now... it seems her programs consists of falling on quads, one cool cantilever... and it is obvious something is going on mentally... she started season spouting "anything but first is a loser"... and now she talks about "if i have five quads, it's more okay to fall on few of them" and "I was told not to cry".
In times of Mao, Yuna and Carolina... they were still enjoyable, even if they didn't win. Well, Caro was a splatmaster at times... but she was one who could rock and splat during the same program. But she did not win with splatfests and those were seen for what they were.

 

[Snorlax]

I think, Trusova should focus on getting one or max two quads perfected and go for triples for the rest, otherwise she might not only get injured badly at some point, but she could also loose to Anna or new youngsters from the next quad generation (as sad as this sounds).

I know that Trusova is happy to have a performance scheduled that allows her to make mistakes, but relying on this is bad attitude in my opinion. She risks injury, she also trades a potentially less enjoyable perfomance in for pure score (hence less knowledgeable audience will always be disappointed - "why is the girl winning that fell twice").

I think she can do better, just in a different way. She has sass she can use to convince the audience, and I'm pretty sure she could also make more out of her unique move (potentially even invent another one?) and leave an impression with this.

She might not have achieved first place in the last competitions but she still reached a super high score, and she also had gold medal time before. Considering that and the fact that skaters seem to get replaced quite fast by younger ones when it comes to the top places, she should focus on entertaining more.

But that's just my opinion - I know she has worked super hard on her quads and maybe she also feels like this can't be in vain, but I'd really wish to see her becoming a bit more mature and artistic, I'm sure any audience would love her for it.

 

[hanyuufan5]

No one can take away Trusova's junior world titles, her Russian Nats bronze, her GPF bronze, her Europeans bronze. And while not Olympic Gold, those are amazing accomplishments in their own right. She's also completely carved out her spot in history as the Quad Queen, as the skater who brought an amazingly crazy technical arsenal to women's skating.

Exactly. :agree:





No matter how much more she wins--- and I can't imagine there won't be a whole lot more (knocking wood)--- she has her place in history several times over. She will always be the first lady to land this or that quad or combo and will always be able to look at other ladies doing them and think, "Nice, but I did that first!"

If she had been forced to wait until she was older, someone else might have beaten her to it. Then she'd get to look at ladies doing those quads/combos and think, "I could have done that first if they'd let me." That would be better for her somehow!?

 

[Mathman]

Saying this as someone who has been in the sport for a long time and wasn't always the underdog and have turned out just fine.

I agree. Sometimes you give a great performance and win, sometimes the other guy does.

The top dog and the underdog say to each other, "You got yours, I got mine. Let's go!"

 

[PyeongChang2018]

Maybe she did not want to be one of the interchangable As.

It seems lately Sasha is not really happy to be "one of the As" either. It just seems she is doing lots of things to stand apart, as many teenage girls would.


I think the problem with Sasha this season is... her skating is not that enjoyable to audience. I got my friend hyped up for for girls jumping quads... she watched about the top ten and then asked "why that girl in blue that fell twice got a medal?" I think lots of people were expecting a lot from her... last season she was stabilizing her quads but at the same time her spins seemed to be getting better, she seemed to be getting slowly better artistically... and now... it seems her programs consists of falling on quads, one cool cantilever... and it is obvious something is going on mentally... she started season spouting "anything but first is a loser"... and now she talks about "if i have five quads, it's more okay to fall on few of them" and "I was told not to cry".
In times of Mao, Yuna and Carolina... they were still enjoyable, even if they didn't win. Well, Caro was a splatmaster at times... but she was one who could rock and splat during the same program. But she did not win with splatfests and those were seen for what they were.

When she's falling, sure. But I think her artistry actually exceeds the other 3A. Kostornaia's programs have lost their magic as the season has gone on. Anna doesn't really do anything for me artistically. Sasha plays a dynamic role very well.

 

[colormyworld240]

Sorry I should have added trusova entered seniors with a huge advantage with her jumps & psychologically it must have given her a big boost. However her advantage is now gone against her & her team mates are beating her. Anna & Aliona didn't have as much hype & pressure on them entering seniors & were nearly seen as underdogs at the start of the season.

It's not a surprise, to anyone who follows Trusova and her compatriots, that Anna and Alena have caught up. Especially to Sasha herself as she trains with these girls everyday; Anna's quads and Alena's 3A didn't suddenly appear this season, they've been training them for a long time. They may have not been competition ready yet, but Alena landed her first 3A way before this season. And AFAIK, Anna actually landed the first female quad before Sasha (in training). Just as I'm sure it wouldn't be a surprise to the other girls if Sasha stabilizes her 3A.

I hope that hype and pressure are not getting to Sasha, but I doubt that is the problem. After all, she fell on every single quad attempt her first international season before JWs and there was no hype around her. Quads are just risky and it's difficult to warm up and train so many different types. I'd believe it's a mental issue if Sasha was falling apart on her triples, but I don't think she's even fallen on one triple jump this season.

 

[Kittosuni]

From what I've seen in Gymnastics & skating the kids who start winning extremely young have a hard time adapting when other team mates catch up & surpass.
They get used to winning easily & when they don't it hits them much harder psychology.
Trusova had it very easy in juniors, even now the 3A compete against each other.
I think when kids are younger it would be better not to win all the time & work hard to be hungry to win.
I think there's alot to be said for slow & steady wins the race & just because a kid wins everything from the age of 7 upwards it's not a reflection of how their senior career is going to pan out
Anyone else any other thoughts? All kids develop & peak at different times.

Imagine someone telling you not to train hard now and just go along not maximizing your potential because in 4 years time you will be winning all the medals.

You know that sound cray-cray right?

If you can predict how someone's future pans out, might as well just give them the winning lottery number and save them from this brutal sport.

 

[lariko]

I will only speak for myself, not the ‘audience’.

I live for Trusova’s skating this season. It is emotional and daring for me.

I also love all the skating. I love the athletes striving to win and find it inspirational.

 

[Arbitrary]

Trusova and Shcherbakova made a revolution in the female FS.

As well kniwn any revolution eats her children sooner or later. Those two hold they own for some time already. They proved there is no more single skating without quads possible.
Period.

I'd better wait few more seasons before deciding if their lives were pointless. Unlikely, I can say now...

 

[Harriet]

Imagine someone telling you not to train hard now and just go along not maximizing your potential because in 4 years time you will be winning all the medals.

You know that sound cray-cray right?

Not even remotely.

Here's why. When I was in Year 9 - the second year of high school here, and 13 years old - my English teacher was so convinced of my writing ability that she wanted me to skip ahead to the final year of study and take my university entrance exams in English at the end of that year.

My parents said no. Why? They knew that I'd already been advanced a year ahead of my age group and was very intelligent but also emotionally young for my age. They knew that I wasn't intellectually or emotionally ready to handle the kind of texts my sister was working with in the penultimate year of high school, let alone Year 12. They knew that I didn't need to be even further isolated from my peers and thrown amidst teenagers even older than my sister, which would be a danger to me in many ways beyond the intellectual. They knew I didn't need the additional bullying that would result.

So they made a judgment call that the 'reward' of being an acknowledged prodigy, the youngest student ever to complete Matric English and enrol in tertiary study in Eng Lit in South Australia, wasn't worth what it would cost, and that it would be better for me as a human being and a student to wait, work steadily and go into university one year early, instead of four.

Guess what? They were right. Taking the time to pace my development and work through all the stages instead of jumping ahead made me a better writer, a more accomplished scholar and a more rounded person. Under your model I'd have been struggling at fourteen, burnt out at fifteen and a failure by sixteen. At best. But taking those few extra years when I was an early teenager gave me what I needed to have my PhD by age 28. And in Australia a PhD in English Literature means researching and writing a 60,000-word scholarly book, by the way. None of this coursework nonsense.

What would happen if skating parents and coaches prioritised well-being and roundedness - pacing their students' development in order to help them become complete skaters with individuality and maturity and depth - over getting as many medals as possible as soon as possible? Maybe we'd have a few less teenage prodigies killing their exams, but a lot more young adults with the equivalent of PhDs...

 

[lariko]

You can’t copy-paste someone else’s path to success or to failure for that matter. Life never says if.

 

[Arbitrary]

You can’t copy-paste someone else’s path to success or to failure for that matter. Life never says if.

To success - unlikely. To failure? Pretty easy.

 

[lariko]

To success - unlikely. To failure? Pretty easy.

Mmgh, dunno. But given how infinitely more likely the failure is vs success, the false similarities may arise... I better go do something else.

Cheers, guys, and I love Trusova. What she had already done cannot be taken from her, no matter what the future holds.

 

[Mentis]

Thanks for sharing, but I don’t think your personal experience can be used to set a standard for everyone else.

To reach the level of elite figure skater, I would say, is already the skating field’s equivalent of attaining a PhD. Trusova’s long surpassed the PhD, she’s gunning for the Nobel prize (or whatever equivalent you want to put there).

Yes, she can instead focus on become a more complete skater with a wonderful mix of maturity, musicality and beautiful skating skills. Retire in her twenties with a few international appearances under her belt and even a medal or two; another quiet entry in a long long list of talented elite skaters.

Or she can be a trailblazer who revolutionizes the field with her quads. Maybe she’ll fall short of the Worlds and Olympic gold, but the record books will always have the name “Alexandra Trusova” in them. Instead of being yet another forgotten elite skater, she is so famous that internet strangers from all over the world gather on sites like this one to discuss her.

The world is full of should’ve, would’ve, could’ve potential-prodigies. Few get to go down in history as the real deal.
So much can change in four years, I wouldn’t blame her for favoring concrete medals and achievements over empty promises of future potential.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Thanks for sharing, but I don’t think your personal experience can be used to set a standard for everyone else.

To reach the level of elite figure skater, I would say, is already the skating field’s equivalent of attaining a PhD. Trusova’s long surpassed the PhD, she’s gunning for the Nobel prize (or whatever equivalent you want to put there).

Yes, she can instead focus on become a more complete skater with a wonderful mix of maturity, musicality and beautiful skating skills. Retire in her twenties with a few international appearances under her belt and even a medal or two; another quiet entry in a long long list of talented elite skaters.

Or she can be a trailblazer who revolutionizes the field with her quads. Maybe she’ll fall short of the Worlds and Olympic gold, but the record books will always have the name “Alexandra Trusova” in them. Instead of being yet another forgotten elite skater, she is so famous that internet strangers from all over the world gather on sites like this one to discuss her.

The world is full of should’ve, would’ve, could’ve potential-prodigies. Few get to go down in history as the real deal.
So much can change in four years, I wouldn’t blame her for favoring concrete medals and achievements over empty promises of future potential.

There's many others that haven't so-called "revolutionized" the sport and yet people still know their names well and recall their skating careers admiringly.

It's a complete insult to many elite skaters who you and I know their names to say they weren't worthy because they aren't or haven't done multi-quads in their programs before the age of 18 or at all.

And to compare making it to the elite levels to getting one's PHD is absurd, because so many more people could obtain that, but could not obtain elite level of skating. There is no comparison between the two TBH.

 

[lariko]

To be honest, I am not even sure why the thread’s title uses Trusova as example, because it was the other skater that achieved the highest possible level of success possible in her first year in seniors in 2020, and her name is Alena Kostornaya

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

There's many others that haven't so-called "revolutionized" the sport and yet people still know their names well and recall their skating careers admiringly.

It's a complete insult to many elite skaters who you and I know their names to say they weren't worthy because they aren't or haven't done multi-quads in their programs before the age of 18 or at all.

And to compare making it to the elite levels to getting one's PHD is absurd, because so many more people could obtain that, but could not obtain elite level of skating. There is no comparison between the two TBH.

Agree completely. Plus many of her quads are excessively rotated on ice, excessively pre-rotated and full-bladed. If they were real quads... enough said! They are not! I will rotate these days a quint lutz completely on the ice (not in the air), since pre-rotation is not a problem, and I will beat her!
I prefer Yuna Kim, Alyona Kostornaya, Carolina Kostner and Alexia Paganini to Trusova.

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

Uhmm ok.

 

[lariko]

I will rotate these days a quint lutz completely on the ice (not in the air), since pre-rotation is not a problem, and I will beat her!

Have at it.

 

[vqtanh1403]

Hope she gets better program next season. Her both program this season is the worst i've ever seen, so lazy, uninspired and forgettable.