To anyone saying Yuzuru's not challenging himself: with 30 less seconds for his free skate, he's apparently managed to preserve his whole choreography, shortened the set-up of his jumps (which was already much shorter than most of his opponents') and apparently even accelerated the music! A true madman...
Yuzuru Hanyu Will Compete With His 2017-18 SP & FS At 4CC
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I'd say Nathan added another quad, because Yuzu was planning 5 quads as well, and doing the 4Lz on top of that.
I don't think Nathan cared one bit about those 4A attempts in practice, he's probably waiting for it to happen in competition, before he starts worrying or adjusting his strategy (also not much more he can do without more training time).
OMG I remember that - the girl in the Seimei cosplay costume.
Yeah, that was hilarious, still cracks me up
(also how rude were those other, sullen looking, stubbornly not applauding girls... but I'm not surprised)
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I'd say Nathan added another quad, because Yuzu was planning 5 quads as well, and doing the 4Lz on top of that.
I don't think Nathan cared one bit about those 4A attempts in practice, he's probably waiting for it to happen in competition, before he starts worrying or adjusting his strategy (also not much more he can do without more training time).
Yeah, that was hilarious, still cracks me up
(also how rude were those other, sullen looking, stubbornly not applauding girls... but I'm not surprised)
Well, even a 5 quad layout isn't beneficial if it leads to a pop on a planned 3A+3A. That is a loss of 16 points, which essentially negates the benefit of doing 3 quads (vs. doing triple counterparts).
I think he'll need a 5th quad still but his planned 4CC layout will get a comfort level with Seimei again. But I'm surprised he's left the loop out since it's been pretty consistent this season.
It's likely that solo 3A will be replaced by 4Lo, placing somewhere in the first half, for a 5-quad program. 4A is a smoke since 2014 (by the lying Italian bc Yuzu just said he has not landed one 4A yet). I bet he'll say: "nah, no 4A this time" next month. Even his 4Lz is still a hit and miss. There were at least 7 Lutz pops, 2 falls and 2 eked-outs at these practices.
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I enjoy Hanyu but I think he is having a very hard time accepting the fact that technically he is surpassed and he has lost the big things since Olympics. Nathan Chen likely would have Oly gold if he didn’t implode so uncharacteristically in the sp. thenLP showed he is a warrior. I think all Us Hanyu fans and the over the toppers to be kind, need to realize that Hanyu has been very fortunate in two Olympics and has been a great champion but time passes and new champs arise. He is getting older and his body has been through so much. I personally was disappointed this year to see the same programs. I am disappointed he is doing the same ones because of superstitious reasoning at 4cc. That is part of it. The same outfits etc. 4 times the Chopin piece is too much. All skaters are superstitious. I like Hanyu but deifying any sports figure like Japan has deified him makes someone out of touch with reality. I think his fans expect magic from him literally. He is just a skater with great talent. If Javier beat him twice at worlds in his prime we can only admit he is inconsistent in his jumps. He gives us his heart and we all love that but maybe he needs to see his career with honest perspective now. His coaches are likely afraid to be down to earth with him. Recently we lost a famous basketball player here and the news barely mentioned the others that died when his chopper crashed. I personally find real life hero’s and they are not athletes or movie stars. Can Hanyu accept things have changed if no one around him will accept it? Yes, I am American and like Chen a lot. I also have adored Shoma and Javier and so many great male skaters over decades. Time moves on and that is a fact.
No one is deifying Nathan here in Us because only we small band of skate fans left here know he is a prodigy. I feel bad if Hanyu really is only in to win more medals. If he truly loved to skate he would want new challenges artistically. I think a lot of people don’t get his reasoning here but as someone said he will do what he thinks. If his deepest desire is gold here then his team will bow to whatever he wants. Hanyu is inconsistent and he has been skating at the top many years. I hope he will be able to step away before he is seen as someone who just cannot let go of his glory days. I know he feels he can win a third gold but again that we mean several would blow it in 2022. I don’t think Plushenko is a great role model as far as his skills. He is someone who never gives up despite many surgeries. Longevity does not a hero make. But I digress. I know the ubers will attack but whatever. It simply is the era of Nathan Chen and he is alone at the top for two years now. I suspect he will take a year off school to get the Oly gold and retire. I think he has so much to do in life that he will retire even if he gets silver. I love Yuzu and find his Pooh bear innocence enchanting. But I think his team should help him face reality that he is not a Superman with superpowers. He is a mere mortal. His fans need to help him adjust to changing times. He is considered the Goat in many circles. He needs to learn to be satisfied with all he has. I just hope he doesn’t kill himself trying quad axels. I doubt we will see it any time soon from anyone in a real competition. I find it interesting that all the amazing ladies in Japan are never deified like this. I guess because he is male. I know Mao was beloved but she didn’t win Oly Gold and that is somehow a shameful thing there. She was a special skater. We all still watch her not for her medals but for her beauty and great skill. Is gold all that matters to his fans in Japan or in the world? I hope not.
No one is deifying Nathan here in Us because only we small band of skate fans left here know he is a prodigy. I feel bad if Hanyu really is only in to win more medals. If he truly loved to skate he would want new challenges artistically. I think a lot of people don’t get his reasoning here but as someone said he will do what he thinks. If his deepest desire is gold here then his team will bow to whatever he wants. Hanyu is inconsistent and he has been skating at the top many years. I hope he will be able to step away before he is seen as someone who just cannot let go of his glory days. I know he feels he can win a third gold but again that we mean several would blow it in 2022. I don’t think Plushenko is a great role model as far as his skills. He is someone who never gives up despite many surgeries. Longevity does not a hero make. But I digress. I know the ubers will attack but whatever. It simply is the era of Nathan Chen and he is alone at the top for two years now. I suspect he will take a year off school to get the Oly gold and retire. I think he has so much to do in life that he will retire even if he gets silver. I love Yuzu and find his Pooh bear innocence enchanting. But I think his team should help him face reality that he is not a Superman with superpowers. He is a mere mortal. His fans need to help him adjust to changing times. He is considered the Goat in many circles. He needs to learn to be satisfied with all he has. I just hope he doesn’t kill himself trying quad axels. I doubt we will see it any time soon from anyone in a real competition. I find it interesting that all the amazing ladies in Japan are never deified like this. I guess because he is male. I know Mao was beloved but she didn’t win Oly Gold and that is somehow a shameful thing there. She was a special skater. We all still watch her not for her medals but for her beauty and great skill. Is gold all that matters to his fans in Japan or in the world? I hope not.
1. No one’s been able to beat his standing world record SP score for over a year now, but somehow he’s thoroughly surpassed? Sounds questionable.
2. He’s not going back to Chopin and Seimei out of superstition. He said it himself, the programs this season just weren’t working out and there wasn’t enough time to get new ones, reusing old ones is the best option left in those circumstances.
3. Saying that he thinks he can win a third Olympic gold is a completely baseless claim by the way. For all the times the media has asked him about Beijing 2022, he has never once even confirmed that he was planning on staying in the sport until then.
The amount of inaccuracies littering your post and your thoroughly uncharitable interpretation of his intentions causes me to have a hard time believing you’re really his fan as you claim.
Plenty of his fans love him more for his skating than his medals. I for one am just thankful for every performance he continues to share with us even though he very well could’ve retired after his first or second Olympic gold.
Are you scared that your favored skater will “implode so uncharacteristically” and Yuzuru will be “very fortunate” again at Beijing or something? Because the way I see it he still has the drive the compete and his fans still love his performances. Why are you so eager to push him out?
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You're doing a lot of reaching there buddy, maybe you should stretch first?
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Very well said. I love Yuzu, but hearing this news made me sad and disappointed. His talent is extraordinary, and if he plans on continuing to compete, then he needs to explore and grow with new material. Repeating past glories seems a bit desperate at this point. I get he wants to beat Nathan, but I’m doubtful this is the way to do it.
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Guuurl. Chen’s best SP is 110.38. Hanyu’s is
110.53. Is Chen being unable to get 0.16 more the crux supporting your argument?
Note that Chen’s best FS is 224.92 to Hanyu’s 212.99... that is why Chen has surpassed him. Not to mention when they face each other Chen is especially strong in their last couple outings. He ups his game when he plays Hanyu.
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@ skateluvr, it is your opinion so that's fine but I disagree with your post to a big extent. Where is your conviction that Hanyu is only continuing for the medals coming from? AFAIK, he's bent on trying new things and pushing himself as long as he's able to, and the driven-to-win mentality is pretty much a standard for any competitive skater. Why single out Hanyu out of all people? And do I get the correct impression from your post that you're implying he should just openly state he's unable to compete with Chen, and retire on a sour note? Without trying to challenge him? That's actually admirable for me that he still tries to think of ways to win, despite him not getting any younger and Chen having harder content. Hanyu may end up like Chan, skating just for his own joy in his last couple of seasons, but somehow I don't think this will be the case for him. And I don't think that the fact he has a different mindset is a valid reason for basically insinuating he's overstayed his welcome and should leave. Sorry if that's not what you meant, but that's the main impression I get from your post. And his fans don't "need to" do anything just because it's your wish. Also, I thought the word "ubers" was banned here.
That said, I will cheer for Yuzuru as long as he skates competitively, and I hope he'll give us some out-of-the-box material next season since he cheered me up considerably by saying he had actually been considering getting two new programs. Good luck to him at 4CC!
That said, I will cheer for Yuzuru as long as he skates competitively, and I hope he'll give us some out-of-the-box material next season since he cheered me up considerably by saying he had actually been considering getting two new programs. Good luck to him at 4CC!
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Amen. While I think it's admirable to never want to give up.... to do so at the expense of your health is worrying.
If their argument is going to be that not only is Yuzuru surpassed, but he that is so thoroughly surpassed that he ought to just retire, then sorry, I'm going to set a very high bar.
And part of that standard is that if anyone is as utterly dominant as certain fans claim, then really, Yuzuru shouldn't be prancing around with the SP world record for 1.5 years now.
I don't even care about the margin, just squeeze out that extra 0.17 point (well, now more than that) and take the record. Can't be that hard can it? If even Yuzuru can do it 3 times in that time frame, surely someone who's totally surpassed him can do it just once.
But if you really really want to talk numbers, guuuuuuuurl at least know what they mean.
Yeah, the FS numbers show Chen's best FS score is ~5% higher than Hanyu's.
Now note that the FS numbers show that Trusova's best FS score is a whooping ~13% higher than Kihira's. Anna and Alena clock in at ~10% higher each.
And if you want to talk even more numbers, Nathan’s on an amazing “win streak” against Yuzuru of…..two competitions. Just like Anna and Alena’s “win streak” against Rika.
By your standards, I guess Rika should just retire too because wow she’s getting utterly dominated.
Now I for one think Rika is very much a gold medal contender who definitely hasn't been hopelessly surpassed. So I can only conclude your standards are either extremely biased or extremely inaccurate.
I'm confused.
Where or when did CanadianSkaterGuy demand Yuzuru should retire?
And he's aware that Yuzu and Nathan only had two recent head-to-heads, hence his phrasing 'in their last couple outings'.
Also:
Yes, it's debatable if Yuzuru is currently 1st or 2nd in the world (and we haven't seen enough 'duels' between him and Nathan to get a good enough impression).
But looking at it from the perspective of those posters who feel that he's been surpassed and who see him mostly in 2nd... I don't get what's so bad about wondering why he won't retire, on a high, as long as he's still at the top but maybe slightly past his prime due to age and the toll on his body after all those years of training and injuries?
Of course, even when you see Yuzu in 2nd, you could say he's still one of the two men currently at the top of the field, so in that sense he's still incredibly successful, so why should he retire.
But he's Yuzuru Hanyu, so to someone like him that's surely not good enough and doesn't count as a success, even though for almost everyone else to be in that position would be a dream come true.
ETA: Btw, I believe you were the one who brought up scores in the first place, to prove how dominant Yuzuru still is. Now, only one post later, you suddenly argue against the significance of scores??
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This is Surya Bonaly level of recycling. I thought after his forgettable Olympic performances in Pyeongyang he'd wise up and stop repeating programs. Who knew it was going to be modus operandi this quad.
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Even if Hanyu loses to Chen at Worlds, Hanyu is still The Artist.
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All of his Olympic programs were repeats. That pretty much tells you where his comfort level is. He and his fans should be thankful for his incredibly fortunate back to back Olympic golds.
Stay pressed as a panini! When will your fave evah.
I am amazed at some posters’ superpower to tell whom the other poster’s favorite is. Apparently anyone who doesn’t like the idea of recycling or talk about not liking the idea of recycling is a Nathan fan, and wishing Yuzuru retirement?
Except for Nathan whom I don’t want to see any repeated program for the selfish reason that I would like to see as many programs of different styles as possible, for other skaters, I don’t really care about recycling or not. I only hope some of those defending recycling stop trash talking skaters’s new programs every season as “disposable program”. Skaters spend money to get new programs, and spend quite considerable of time and effort to perform those new programs. It is all right you don’t like those programs, it is disrespectful to talk down their efforts.
Except for Nathan whom I don’t want to see any repeated program for the selfish reason that I would like to see as many programs of different styles as possible, for other skaters, I don’t really care about recycling or not. I only hope some of those defending recycling stop trash talking skaters’s new programs every season as “disposable program”. Skaters spend money to get new programs, and spend quite considerable of time and effort to perform those new programs. It is all right you don’t like those programs, it is disrespectful to talk down their efforts.
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