2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Happy Skates]

Maybe there is something good in that. There will be still Kamila, Daria, Maiia and probably also Adeliya in juniors next season, with them possibly Kseniia and other stong skaters (Elizaveta?).

While the season after she can be easily No. 1.

Ksenia has a SB high enough that she'll probably get the two Senior GP spots left behind by Sakhanovich and Sotskova. Elizaveta is actually younger than Akatieva so no JGP for her next year either. Right now it looks like it'll be Valieva, Usacheva, Kromykh, Frolova, Samodelkina, and Petrosyan. Then maybe Tarakanova and/or Vasilieva will stay in juniors (I'm curious to see what happens with that), and I don't know who else. Maybe Muravyova will sneak in there?

 

[Elucidus]

It's very interesting how coaches manage skater like Sofia. She's already better than most of her friends from the group participating in international skating, getting prizes, medals, attention and have 2022 Olympics in front of them. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to watch all of this, touring all those half-empty regional rinks in local novice competitions for another year and half.
They probably put some individual technical/artistic tasks before her to motivate her. If she has patience and puberty is gentle to her, we'll get a super highly skilled skater in 2021/22 JGP season.

I am afraid she can be unlucky one. If senior age will be raised (which is highly likely) and especially if it will be raised significantly (which is likely also) - Akatieva can skip next Olympics too.

No she is not, but she is judged as If she is one of the best skaters who ever graced the face of Earth. She is judged as If she has perfect quads, perfect technique and jumps with huge height and huge distance. Which means that she can take the place of much more deserving skaters like Kostornaya and Rika. This is not fair.

I don't understand what you have against judges. Jumping technique is not judged. All they assess are landing, edges occasionally and GOE traits (which includes not only height, btw - but many other interesting features which you, it seems, just don't know). Not because they are villains, of course. They do all what they can do according to current rules. If there is something that current rules don't have - it would be foolish to demand to assess that, don't you think? Each kind of sport has particular set of rules - and within allowed set of rules each athlete tries to achieve victory with every way they can. What's so special about that? Also, if you think that some technique make jumps easier - than within current set of rules everyone can use that technique - and it's only logical to use it. Why indignation? Instead of that you should encourage your favorites use the same technique if you want them to win For some reason others do not find that technique such a big help though. Why other skaters can't jump quads if it's so easy to "cheat" them remains a mystery )) You do not like rules and want new ones? Try to complain against them, not the skaters - for a change.

Disagree. She cheats her jumps and that is very wrong. I hate cheating. :/
There are so many skaters who are way more deserving than her.

Sorry, but I don't believe you. 95% of skaters "cheats" on jumps and have uncalled flat edges. But you bashing Anna specifically. If it's not personal grudge - I don't know what it is. Threat to your favorite Rika? But you are not complaining against Young You or Miyahara, do you? They also have issues with prerotation and uncalled edges - and they also can win over Rika on a good day.

 

[Giltedge]

And surely Kseniia Ts. will be in the mix too? (I would think ahead of one or two of those being bruited.)

 

[Good Vibes Only]

I hate and love that Russia has such depth in figure skating. I love it because it is so exciting to watch and you never know who will win. On the other hand, I hate it because quality skaters Vasilieva, Tarakanova, and Gubanova are often left behind when in any other country they would be rising stars. When Tarakanova first turned junior, I never thought that she would be in this situation. It just breaks my heart to see these girls struggle to find their place in Russian Ladies Skating.

 

[Jontor]

And surely Kseniia Ts. will be in the mix too? (I would think ahead of one or two of those being bruited.)

If you're thinking GPs then sadly no. Ksenia Ts has no SB score this season as she was not submitted to any Challenger events.

From RusNats Guliakova, Shulskaya, Gubanova, Tsibinova, Sakhanovich, Nugumanova, Talalaykina and Gracheva have all no chance of GP assignments.

 

[Happy Skates]

I am afraid she can be unlucky one. If senior age will be raised (which is highly likely) and especially if it will be raised significantly (which is likely also) - Akatieva can skip next Olympics too.

Akatieva will be 18 by the 2026 Olympics - I think she's safe.

 

[brakes]

Akatieva will be 18 by the 2026 Olympics - I think she's safe.

Not in figure skating eligibility sense (born before 1 July of the year season starts).
It would be truly devastating for her career, if they introduced this, I refuse to even think of such possibility. :hopelessness:

 

[Jeanie19]

Gosh Adeliya is lovely. The cutest thing evah!

She really is. How come there has not been more posts about her?

 

[lpt]

She really is. How come there has not been more posts about her?

There were https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/threadloom/threadloom.php?query=petrosyan&tab=5

 

[Decoder]

Daria was clean at Denis Ten memorial Challenge.



Maiia was better today, she delivered under pressure. She deserves Junior Worlds. As for Kseniia, not that she doesn't have proper qualities, but she's got many chances already. Last year's junior worlds, this season's JGPF, YOG. You can't say she was left behind. So, let Maiia gets the spot this time.

Yes, please.

 

[katymay]

I hate and love that Russia has such depth in figure skating. I love it because it is so exciting to watch and you never know who will win. On the other hand, I hate it because quality skaters Vasilieva, Tarakanova, and Gubanova are often left behind when in any other country they would be rising stars. When Tarakanova first turned junior, I never thought that she would be in this situation. It just breaks my heart to see these girls struggle to find their place in Russian Ladies Skating.

There were many little girls today-in the bottom half of the results-but they had huge jumps, power, great speed and spins. Gorbecheva, Osokino, Maria Z-for example - are capable of landing either a 3A or a quad, and that is what it is going to take. Almost every girl had strong 3-3's-but the only chance to make it to the top in Russia is either the 3Axel or a quad. It has become an absolute dividing line, now even in Juniors, and by next year I think this will be even more true.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

I feel a kind of 3A rivalry going on between Smaodelkina/Berestovskaya/Akatieva. They all have ultra-c elements are all amazingly talented. The victor in their competitors depends on their ultra-c elements. Personally I think Samodelkina is most like Kostornaya (3As, both artistic and mature), Berestovskaya is like Shcherbakova (especially in Anya's debut junior season, a little inconsistent, but she lands that quad, wow! Also both have a lot of facials and musicality), and Akatieva is like Trusova (very powerful jumps and good SS, but Akatieva especially needs work in the transition department).

 

[lariko]

Woah. Beautiful! Gosh, Ted Barton is right, it puts a smile on your face... I am also sad that Sinitsina faltered there, but Khromykh did deliver a quality free skate this time. And the novice group is sunshine on ice.

Basically, after watching the Nationals this year from 4 countries, I would love it if we keep have access to watching Nationals—I understand that there is a reason spots are limited at the international events, and they aim to show the inter nationality of the sport, but having access to seeing the national athletics as well imo will be awesome.

So, kudos to Channel 1 for delivering this awesome competition to my TV!

 

[DougDorsey]

I think it's an outrage if Maia did in fact get selected to the Junior Worlds team over Kseniia. Kseniia got gold (215.58) and silver (204.25) in her two JGP events. Maia got bronze (179.32) and 4th (190.73). Kseniia qualified for the JPGF, where she was 4th (195.57). Maia did not. Kseniia won a silver for Russia at the Youth Olympics.

This is nothing against Maia, who I thought skated solidly in this Junior Nationals competition, but her mere four point edge on Kseniia in an event where neither of them medaled shouldn't be enough to undo the undoubtedly superior season that Kseniia has had. Panova should make a formal complaint on behalf of her athlete.

Also, to be clear, I'm not saying that Nationals shouldn't play a major role in the selection of the Worlds team. It should. If Maia had medaled here, landed her 4S, and achieved a point gap with Kseniia that was equivalent to Kseniia's point gap over Maia in their JGP outings, I'd at least understand the decision. But she didn't.

 

[DougDorsey]

On a lighter note, does anyone know which version of Regina Spektor's "Après Moi" is used in Adelya's SP...https://d.pr/i/ygT8px? Also, is it true that this program was actually choreographed by Sergei Rozanov? If so, bravo.

 

[karina17]

I think it's an outrage if Maia did in fact get selected to the Junior Worlds team over Kseniia. Kseniia got gold (215.58) and silver (204.25) in her two JGP events. Maia got bronze (179.32) and 4th (190.73). Kseniia qualified for the JPGF, where she was 4th (195.57). Maia did not. Kseniia won a silver for Russia at the Youth Olympics.

This is nothing against Maia, who I thought skated solidly in this Junior Nationals competition, but her mere four point edge on Kseniia in an event where neither of them medaled shouldn't be enough to undo the undoubtedly superior season that Kseniia has had. Panova should make a formal complaint on behalf of her athlete.

Also, to be clear, I'm not saying that Nationals shouldn't play a major role in the selection of the Worlds team. It should. If Maia had medaled here, landed her 4S, and achieved a point gap with Kseniia that was equivalent to Kseniia's point gap over Maia in their JGP outings, I'd at least understand the decision. But she didn't.

Kseniia herself got sent to JWC last year for the exact same reason Maiia is this year. That's just how it always is - junior nationals counts more than anything.

Kseniia got one bronze on the JGP last year, while Alyona (Kanysheva) got two silvers and a JGPF bronze. But Kseniia beat her at Russian Junior Nationals, so she got sent to JWC after Alyona (Kostornaya) couldn't go. Now Maiia is in the exact same situation.

 

[DougDorsey]

Kseniia herself got sent to JWC last year for the exact same reason Maiia is this year. That's just how it always is - junior nationals counts more than anything.

Kseniia got one bronze on the JGP last year, while Alyona (Kanysheva) got two silvers and a JGPF bronze. But Kseniia beat her at Russian Junior Nationals, so she got sent to JWC after Alyona (Kostornaya) couldn't go. Now Maiia is in the exact same situation.

Kseniia beat Kanysheva by *32 points* at last year's Junior Nationals! If Maia had been similarly dominant here, I'd go as far as to say that it would be a no-brainer to send Maia instead of Kseniia. But that was far from the case, so the situations are hardly comparable.

Again, Maia's mere 4 point edge on Kseniia in an event where neither of them medaled shouldn't be enough to undo the clearly superior season that Kseniia has had.

 

[KOBOT37]

What is single most important competition when it comes to getting tickets to worlds? Nationals.

Who finished ahead at nationals? Kromykh.

I would get these arguments if in place of Sinitsina was Valieva, but she isn't that good, 4th place at JGPF isn't and shouldn't be enough to nullify Nationals.

 

[karina17]

Kseniia beat Kanysheva by *32 points* at last year's Junior Nationals! If Maia had been similarly dominant here, I'd go as far as to say that it would be a no-brainer to send Maia instead of Kseniia. But that was far from the case, so the situations are hardly comparable.

Again, Maia's mere 4 point edge on Kseniia in an event where neither of them medaled shouldn't be enough to undo the clearly superior season that Kseniia has had.

I'm not saying it's fair, I do agree that it's weird that body of work doesn't seem to be counted, I'm just saying that that's how they do it and this isn't a one-time occurrence. In 2018 Panenkova qualified to JGPF with a gold and silver, while Konstantinova got one bronze on the JGP. Then Konstantinova beat her by 4 points at junior nationals and she got sent to JWC.

I don't think Panova can really lodge a complaint about something that's just always been this way, it would probably just make things worse for her.

 

[lusterfan]

What is single most important competition when it comes to getting tickets to worlds? Nationals.

Who finished ahead at nationals? Kromykh.

I would get these arguments if in place of Sinitsina was Valieva, but she isn't that good, 4th place at JGPF isn't and shouldn't be enough to nullify Nationals.

Well by that logic Konstantinova should have been on the Worlds team last year for being the senior champion, and Evgenia should not have gone to the Olympics for completely missing Nationals for 2018.

Choosing your team based on one single competition (especially one in which there was no decisive separation between the two competitors in question) is foolish if you are trying to select the optimal team. Maia had a dreadful season by Russian standards, and especially compared to Ksenia who had a stellar season. Had Maia beaten Ksenia more soundly, I'd say that'd be more compelling but 4 points is somewhat negligible. It wouldn't be completely outrageous to select Maia based on her higher placement on Nationals alone, but to negate Ksenia's entire season based on 4 points is a slap in the face. Sport is cruel though, so we'll see.