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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

The same Aleksandr Volkov (son of Sergey Volkov, USSR's first ever Gold Medalist 1975) who tried to actively screw over certain young competitors in Moscow Superiority in the Older Age: https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/3/ae/f6d1e5cb111eab5ed9a9835d7e68c.jpeg
All of his PCS got thrown out since they were way out of line with the average, but his adverse bias remains in the protocols for inspection by the ruling Moscow judging council. Hopefully they took notice: https://allskaters.info/wp-content/uploads/Protocols/2019-2020/Москва ст.pdf (FFKK.ru seems to be unreachable, so this is a backup)

Thankfully, Sof’ya Muravyova’s skating level withstood Volkov’s attempt to sabotage her next season.

Also, at this competition, Kamila Sultanmagomedova was actively denied a chance to compete in the Finals, and get better funding next season, by biased judging. Kamila received 10 PCS less than at Junior Mationals for her clean FS.
 
Agree with most everything you said, except a bit about the judges liking a clean quadless program vs. a quad program with mistakes - if Anna's mistakes were only a under-rotation or a step-out like at Nationals, it would be 1 thing but so far at the GPF and Europeans she had a fall on a quad which has mandatory deductions -5 GOE and -1 for a fall. And Anna has won the FS portion of both of those competitions the only reason Kostornaia won the overall event was because she can do her triple axel in the SP.

What kind of 'clean Trusova' do you think beats the other 2? Do you think she can beat the other 2 if she's clean doing the layouts she had at Europeans or do you think she has to have at least 4 cleanly landed quads to do it?

Yeah with Anna they need to work on the free skate and take a look at the jumps, cause the second half jumps are often under, the calls on the quads at Europeans felt a bit harsh to me.

With Trusova either clean free with 3 quads and 3a (which would also give her some boost in the short) or 4 quads and no 3a.

I think even 2 quads with 2 3a could be enough to win, but i don't think her axel is that stable.

She showed she can skate clean-ish 4 quads free fighting for everything at Japan Open, it's there.
 
What is her new music--it's a lovely piece--Chopin? I like the program but the cantilever seems somehow misplaced...
 
What is her new music--it's a lovely piece--Chopin? I like the program but the cantilever seems somehow misplaced...

I have to agree with that. But Sasha loves the cantilever and always does it in each of his programs. What if this element is too dynamic for the music? Dilemma ..
 
My fear with Trusova is that she has grown and may realize the pressure now and that affects her ability to skate especially and rotate the quads. I do like her fighting spirit and deire to get better including a possible new sp. But Rika i gaining momentum and after the disappointment last year I think she wants that gold and Bradie and Mariah are getting more feisty and hungry for a podium pot as well.

I was watching the Skating Lesson and I agree that 3A's shelf life is not looking good for BEijing. There were some signs at a recent skate Kostornaia is hurt - back, Trusova has grown over the last bit and has confidence issue. Anna has rotation / edge issues on the big jumps. I won't count them out but time and puberty arenot favorable for these ladies.
 
Sometimes I find it very strange how pure assumptions are sold as facts. And now the forecast for Beijing as icing on the cake. I'm sorry, but that's nothing more than a weather forecast for April 2022.
 
Alina just announced she will take part in a show in Moscow 3/29 translated to "Russia, Go!" along with Evgenia, Liza, and 3A
 
I was watching the Skating Lesson and I agree that 3A's shelf life is not looking good for BEijing. There were some signs at a recent skate Kostornaia is hurt - back, Trusova has grown over the last bit and has confidence issue. Anna has rotation / edge issues on the big jumps. I won't count them out but time and puberty arenot favorable for these ladies.

I was watching the Skating Lesson and I agree that 3A's shelf life is not looking good for BEijing. There were some signs at a recent skate Kostornaia is hurt - back, Trusova has grown over the last bit and has confidence issue. Anna has rotation / edge issues on the big jumps. I won't count them out but time and puberty arenot favorable for these ladies.

I think this is a bit of a premature prediction. Rika has had similar problems like injuries (there was no guarantee that she'd get her Lutz back) and not fulfilling her potential (like 2019 worlds) but no one ever doubted her spot for Beijing Olympics. Granted, 3A have tougher competition domestically but they have next year to adjust to puberty if they need to. there are no ultra-c jumping youngsters to challenge them in seniors and the veteran trio have a hard road ahead catching up in tech and consistency.

As we all know, a lot can change in the space of just a few months in the world of figure skating.
 
My fear with Trusova is that she has grown and may realize the pressure now and that affects her ability to skate especially and rotate the quads. I do like her fighting spirit and deire to get better including a possible new sp. But Rika i gaining momentum and after the disappointment last year I think she wants that gold and Bradie and Mariah are getting more feisty and hungry for a podium pot as well.

I was watching the Skating Lesson and I agree that 3A's shelf life is not looking good for BEijing. There were some signs at a recent skate Kostornaia is hurt - back, Trusova has grown over the last bit and has confidence issue. Anna has rotation / edge issues on the big jumps. I won't count them out but time and puberty arenot favorable for these ladies.

The Beijing Olympics are so far away. I feel like it is too hard to tell what will happen with these girls. The same could be said for Rika, Bradie, and Mariah as well. We as fans also don’t know all of the inside story as to whether Aliona is actually injured or whether Sasha is having a lack of confidence. I only trust official statements from the skaters, coaches, or federation. So my logic based off of recent interviews with the girls is saying that Aliona is growing, so her jumps are a little off and Sasha is struggling with transferring her skating from practices to the competitions. As for Anna, I think that her jumps are gradually getting bigger, especially her double axel. Developing bigger jumps and clearer edges takes time, but it is not impossible. With her work ethic and love for skating I believe that Anna can accomplish this.
 
I was watching the Skating Lesson and I agree that 3A's shelf life is not looking good for BEijing. There were some signs at a recent skate Kostornaia is hurt - back, Trusova has grown over the last bit and has confidence issue. Anna has rotation / edge issues on the big jumps. I won't count them out but time and puberty arenot favorable for these ladies.

I am least worried about Alena. Even without a 3A, she'd solidly be a top 5 skater and a podium contender in every event. The other two might have trouble only because of the depth in Russia; they'd also be fine internationally without quads, but that might not be enough domestically.
 
Sasha still looks physically quite similar to last season (to me at least). Perhaps a bit taller with more lean muscle definition, but not obviously any "curvier"...

I'm guessing that to regain her jumping consistency, psychology is the key issue to address rather than physiology?
 
Just butting in to vent this (and will quickly run away :scard7: ) I just have to feel for 3A (and any of the Sambo kids for that matter) to have their quickly morphing physiques under scrutiny and the whole world having a heated discussion over it, as if witnessing it themselves weren't bad enough .. :palmf::slink:
 
Oh, I definitely wasn't intending to draw more attention to their physiques, sorry if I gave that impression! Rather I meant that contrast with the above discussion, I think Sasha's current issues are mental (self-confidence) rather than physical.
On second consideration, I think I'll run away from this thread too...
 
Yeah with Anna they need to work on the free skate and take a look at the jumps, cause the second half jumps are often under, the calls on the quads at Europeans felt a bit harsh to me.

Anna's problems keeping her from the event gold (as of right now) aren't the under-rotations on the triples in the second half it's the fall on 1 of the quads.
 
I think that honestly, if everyone skated clean, it would be Alena, Sasha, Anna. Alena is the type of skating that judges like and they are all eteri girls, and the judges want to make a star so they will try to throw all their marks on Alena. Sasha's tech is amazing, don't ask me what that will look like in the future but it truly it incredible. And while Anna is a very nice skater, her and Sasha's ss are not up to par and Anna's three quads just isn't enough to make up the gap that may be left by SAsha (and the 3A?)
 
If everyone skates clean - no edge calls, URs, etc - it is between Anna and Sasha. It would depend on how many quads or 3As Sasha is planning. The PCS and GOE advantage Aliona earns wouldn’t be enough to overtake 2 4Lzs and 1 4F or 3A and 4 Quads (depending on what Sasha’s planning).
 
If everyone skates clean Alena wont get higher than third place even if she is given 80 for presentation.
 
If everyone skates clean Alena wont get higher than third place even if she is given 80 for presentation.

Not necessary.
Judges would inflate her GOE and deflate other twos. Even a totally perfect jump may be marked "-4" just because judges decided that way. "-5" is reserved for crashes, a pity...

To have Trusova or Scherbakova above Kostornaya there is only one possibility: the awful day for Aliona.
 
Not necessary.
Judges would inflate her GOE and deflate other twos. Even a totally perfect jump may be marked "-4" just because judges decided that way. "-5" is reserved for crashes, a pity...

Yeah and then Aliens will visit the rink and restore the justice.

The most even the most enthusiastic judges can do is putting Russian Nationals version of Alena above Russian Nationals Version of Anna and even that wont happen.

Rigging competitions too blatantly is horrible for business, unless a sport is run by the mobs.
 
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