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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Yeah and then Aliens will visit the rink and restore the justice.

The most even the most enthusiastic judges can do is putting Russian Nationals version of Alena above Russian Nationals Version of Anna and even that wont happen.

Rigging competitions too blatantly is horrible for business, unless a sport is run by the mobs.

Thank you. I’m tired of these conspiracy theories. It’s mathematically impossible for Aliona to win with her current BV vs Anna’s current BV if both are 100% clean. If Sasha does only 3 quads and no 3A like Euros, Aliona could beat her, but if Sasha competes a more difficult layout it is not possible. This is all based on everyone being clean and continuing to earn similar GOEs/PCS as they have all season. The quad multiplyer on GOE is a huge boost when Anna and Sasha hit, and even Aliona's higher GOE on her triples (which is IMO deserved, based on the judging criteria) can not compensate for this.

If you really believe the judges will start giving Anna/Sasha 3.50 in PCS to hold them down, then I don’t know what to tell you.
 
Thank you. I’m tired of these conspiracy theories. It’s mathematically impossible for Aliona to win with her current BV vs Anna’s current BV if both are 100% clean. If Sasha does only 3 quads and no 3A like Euros, Aliona could beat her, but if Sasha competes a more difficult layout it is not possible. This is all based on everyone being clean and continuing to earn similar GOEs/PCS as they have all season. The quad multiplyer on GOE is a huge boost when Anna and Sasha hit, and even Aliona's higher GOE on her triples (which is IMO deserved, based on the judging criteria) can not compensate for this.

If you really believe the judges will start giving Anna/Sasha 3.50 in PCS to hold them down, then I don’t know what to tell you.

What's interesting though is that, PCS aside, Alyona so far this season has a huge boost in GOE's compared to Anna and Sasha.

Average GOE % of BV (not counting RusNats)

Alyona 125,7% (Euros 124%)
Anna 116,2% (Euros 118%)
Sasha 115,9% (Euros 112%)

Those 10% more Alyona gets is about 10-11 points in total. At Europeans, where all of them had falls, the gap closed a bit between Anna/Alyona, but it increased between Sasha/Alyona.

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In comparison - GOE's at RusNats (where Anna was almost clean)

Alyona 134%
Anna 125%
Sasha 114%
 
Junior worlds will start tomorrow, though girls will take the ice on friday. Full entries:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1920/wjc2020/CAT002EN.htm

Kamila, Daria and Maiia, if I'm not mistaken it's the first time Eteri's girls will have all three spots on junior worlds. So far it seems that the main battle for gold will take part between Kamila and Alysa Liu, but anything can happen. There are also strong korean girls and of course Anastasiia Shabotova also has the chance for a medal.
 
Junior worlds will start tomorrow, though girls will take the ice on friday. Full entries:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1920/wjc2020/CAT002EN.htm

Kamila, Daria and Maiia, if I'm not mistaken it's the first time Eteri's girls will have all three spots on junior worlds. So far it seems that the main battle for gold will take part between Kamila and Alysa Liu, but anything can happen. There are also strong korean girls and of course Anastasiia Shabotova also has the chance for a medal.

Shabotova? Outside chance, triksel or not. Will be interesting to see who accompanies her as trainer, is she still training in Moscow at Snow Leopards, or at CSKA? Could also be some UKR federation trainer will be with her. There should be a list of delegation members probably??
 
Kamila, Daria and Maiia, if I'm not mistaken it's the first time Eteri's girls will have all three spots on junior worlds. So far it seems that the main battle for gold will take part between Kamila and Alysa Liu, but anything can happen. There are also strong korean girls and of course Anastasiia Shabotova has the chance for a medal.

It's first time Eteri's (or any coach at all) girls will have all 6 spots of Junior+Senior Worlds combined too :rolleye:
 
Junior worlds will start tomorrow, though girls will take the ice on friday. Full entries:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1920/wjc2020/CAT002EN.htm

Kamila, Daria and Maiia, if I'm not mistaken it's the first time Eteri's girls will have all three spots on junior worlds. So far it seems that the main battle for gold will take part between Kamila and Alysa Liu, but anything can happen. There are also strong korean girls and of course Anastasiia Shabotova also has the chance for a medal.

Thanks.
What time in Tallinn Estonia will it begin?
 
Of course calling Alena's 3A< and Alena's and Anna's 3Lz! or 3Lze would change a lot. Shame it never gets called though, doesn't reward those who have legitimate lutzes like Sasha and Liza
 
Junior worlds will start tomorrow, though girls will take the ice on friday. Full entries:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1920/wjc2020/CAT002EN.htm

Kamila, Daria and Maiia, if I'm not mistaken it's the first time Eteri's girls will have all three spots on junior worlds. So far it seems that the main battle for gold will take part between Kamila and Alysa Liu, but anything can happen. There are also strong korean girls and of course Anastasiia Shabotova also has the chance for a medal.

And I also think that it will be interesting to see ex-Russians Ryabova and Kurakova there. Maybe they can fight for the podium? And I expect that Alessia Tornaghi will do well too...

On a side note, I am rewatching Buffy and I am thinking, couldn't Cibo Matto be a great choice for figure skating music?
 
Of course calling Alena's 3A< and Alena's and Anna's 3Lz! or 3Lze would change a lot. Shame it never gets called though, doesn't reward those who have legitimate lutzes like Sasha and Liza
If they try to call that - they will be compelled to call nonRussian ladies URs and edges with the same severity to avoid new accusations in inconsistent calling. And they won't be willing to do it - since majority of nonRussian ladies in WC are gonna have more URs than young Russian trio - from often Rika's 3A< to almost unavoidable +3T< or Eu+3S< combos of each and every lady skater. And that will result in quite humiliating scores gap between Russians and everybody else which won't be good for promoting sport.
I am not saying it because I am such ardent fan of Russia of course :biggrin: It's just one of my pastimes is checking jumps for URs which I am so used to do that often I can notice them even in real time unconsciously. And after some time I began to notice peculiar regularities:
1) more than half of all URs or edge calls are ignored by tech panels. The rate of ignoring is smaller for less famous competitions or for junior competitions. Also it drastically differs depending on skater's reputations or federation. For example, typical Chinese or Armenian lady skater with competitive 3+3 layout is gonna be destroyed by multiple calls while typical Canadian lady skater despite having poor jumping ability is gonna have clean or almost clean protocol. But even with strong federation some reputable skaters are not without oddities though - for example, for Medvedeva they apply much more lenient calling than for Tuktamysheva. Probably when federation have too many strong skaters - there are only limited amount of skaters which can use that federation's "protection" :scratch2:
2) young 15y.o. skaters with less weight tends to rotate jumps better. My observations compels me to say that for 18+ y.o. lady skaters it's practically impossible to rotate all jumps - especially last jumps in combinations or in last part of a program. It's just a given and physiology trait of woman body - clean protocols of such skaters means poor work of TP first and foremost.
3) among young skaters there are many underrotators too. To have clean jumps you need to satisfy two conditions - low weight i.e. be young enough and have decent amount of ice time and jump repetitions. Majority of nonRussian young lady skaters can't satisfy second condition - either due to financial reasons or nation/coaches policy of "careful approach" to kids. Therefore Russian kids tends to have more clean jumps on average due to stronger state-funded training regime. It's not surprising that Eteri's young pupils who practice infinite jumping drills from early age and have quite brutal training regime - having much less issues with jump rotations than girls from other coaches even in Russia.
Considering the above it's quite logical to assume that with the same strict standart of calling applied to all skaters in WC - young Eteri trio is gonna have podium sweep even with edge calls. Because others is gonna have nightmarish protocols in that case :sarcasm: Of course it's not gonna to happen - so we can expect at least Alena be gold favorite. Anna unfortunately was getting Tuktamysheva's treatment the whole season - so I won't be surprised to see her even out of podium this time. Even if they want to avoid consistency accusations - inconsistent calling/double standarts of strictness occurs every time nevertheless :slink:
 
And I also think that it will be interesting to see ex-Russians Ryabova and Kurakova there. Maybe they can fight for the podium? And I expect that Alessia Tornaghi will do well too...

On a side note, I am rewatching Buffy and I am thinking, couldn't Cibo Matto be a great choice for figure skating music?

As for Kurakova I don't think so, unless the judging/tech panel will be the same like in CS Warshaw Cup :biggrin:

Tornaghi and Ryabova have the potential for the top 6, but I doubt about the chance for a medal.
 
...one of my pastimes is checking jumps for URs which I am so used to do that often I can notice them even in real time unconsciously...

You would think that some of the ISU judges and technical specialists would also be able to develop that skill. But I guess not.
 
Well, I really hope that it does not prevail to judge with the subconscious. ;-)
 
What's interesting though is that, PCS aside, Alyona so far this season has a huge boost in GOE's compared to Anna and Sasha.

Average GOE % of BV (not counting RusNats)

Alyona 125,7% (Euros 124%)
Anna 116,2% (Euros 118%)
Sasha 115,9% (Euros 112%)

Those 10% more Alyona gets is about 10-11 points in total. At Europeans, where all of them had falls, the gap closed a bit between Anna/Alyona, but it increased between Sasha/Alyona.

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In comparison - GOE's at RusNats (where Anna was almost clean)

Alyona 134%
Anna 125%
Sasha 114%

it's defintely easier to have 3+ GOE on triple than on quads.
If you just think of Aliona most of the time her trixel receive lower GOE than her triples and her trixle is awesome.
 
that is interesting...is there seeding for juniors like seniors or was this totally random?

It's based on international results, and Alysa and Kamila are so young they have fewer competitions under their belts to accumulate points, basically, even if they've been very successful at the ones they've done.
 
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