2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Technically, I guess we could say that the host spots went to Trusova and Konstantinova this season (Medvedeva was qualified as the World Bronze Medalist), but in reality it all was decided already in June when all the other assignments were decided, and Trusova and Konstantinova were always certain to get two assignments anyway.
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Kiira (and her followers) definitely doesn't adress just quads specifically, it's nothing more than a part of the bussiness. After all, she's "concerned" about skaters who did not jump quads at all as well, as long as they are just Russians and esp. Eteri students. Just read the words in the article. "By that stage, their bodies may have changed dramatically and Tutberidze may have moved on to her next project." It's completely biased, uninformed, superficial, blinded attitude, it's about Eteri (or about how lady Korpi sees her). C'mon, there is a whole thread about her agenda here. Yes, she never adressess young Koreans, Japanese or Americans in such interviews and articles, just those ones exclusively. And, more than that, she has the insolence to talk in someone's "interest" without even the basic decency to talk with them first, being interested in what they truly think, how they accept her agenda etc.
Or this: "For many people, it’s not interesting anymore,” says Korpi. “People miss watching emotionally mature women skate instead of girls". Let's speak only for yourself, Korpi, not for me or "many people". This fiction about "emotionally (and not so rarely physically) mature women" is getting to be truly annoying. I don't see a crowd of those allegedly mature women presenting their emotions on somehow higher level than 3A or others. If Kiira sees that this way that's her right for an opinion but what justifies her to present her opinion as a generally valid thing.
It's also funny, how precisely Guardian, a paper unflinchingly supporting the idea of women serving in the army, doing space exploration and probably working as coal miners as well is suddenly concerned by the idea of quad jumps in figure skating
I say, if Kiira aspires to be taken at least partially seriously, than her duty is to speak with those who are object of her interest first before making serious conclusions and blaming someone publicly. She never did that and so far I haven't seen any effort in doing so.
Kiira (and her followers) definitely doesn't adress just quads specifically, it's nothing more than a part of the bussiness. After all, she's "concerned" about skaters who did not jump quads at all as well, as long as they are just Russians and esp. Eteri students. Just read the words in the article. "By that stage, their bodies may have changed dramatically and Tutberidze may have moved on to her next project." It's completely biased, uninformed, superficial, blinded attitude, it's about Eteri (or about how lady Korpi sees her). C'mon, there is a whole thread about her agenda here. Yes, she never adressess young Koreans, Japanese or Americans in such interviews and articles, just those ones exclusively. And, more than that, she has the insolence to talk in someone's "interest" without even the basic decency to talk with them first, being interested in what they truly think, how they accept her agenda etc.
Or this: "For many people, it’s not interesting anymore,” says Korpi. “People miss watching emotionally mature women skate instead of girls". Let's speak only for yourself, Korpi, not for me or "many people". This fiction about "emotionally (and not so rarely physically) mature women" is getting to be truly annoying. I don't see a crowd of those allegedly mature women presenting their emotions on somehow higher level than 3A or others. If Kiira sees that this way that's her right for an opinion but what justifies her to present her opinion as a generally valid thing.
It's also funny, how precisely Guardian, a paper unflinchingly supporting the idea of women serving in the army, doing space exploration and probably working as coal miners as well is suddenly concerned by the idea of quad jumps in figure skating
I say, if Kiira aspires to be taken at least partially seriously, than her duty is to speak with those who are object of her interest first before making serious conclusions and blaming someone publicly. She never did that and so far I haven't seen any effort in doing so.
When it was Kiira's turn to skate I usually ran to get my laundry out of the dryer, or checked to see if the water was boiling. As pretty as she is, I always found her skating to be mediocre and boring. Yes, there are some people who love to see mature women skating-although there is plenty of that in ice dancing. As for me, I only like watching mature women who can jump. ALA Caitlyn Osmond. Irina Slutskaya back in the day. Female Gymnasts, Track and Field Athletes, Soccer players, Divers etc., are doing unimaginable things these days, much of which could harm their bodies. Their choice.
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Veronika is actually eligible in the 2021-2022 season! Her and Akatieva and Berestovskaia will debut together.
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Kiira has absolutely addressed Americans and others, although not in skating.
But it doesn’t fit in with the agenda of “oh let’s attack Kiira because she is so anti-Russian and she is so prejudiced and she is this and that”. And in order to promote that agenda, mocking Kiira. Oh well.
That does nothing to disprove her statements :disapp:
But it doesn’t fit in with the agenda of “oh let’s attack Kiira because she is so anti-Russian and she is so prejudiced and she is this and that”. And in order to promote that agenda, mocking Kiira. Oh well.
That does nothing to disprove her statements :disapp:
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First, we are talking about figure skating, and in FS, Korpi only address russians, no americans/japaneses/koreans, etc, so what's your point?
Second, people just point out her long term anti-russian statements which are totally biased and misleading, I don't see anybody's mocking or attacing her, maybe in your mind anyone who defends Russians would be regarded as "attacking or mocking others", or maybe russians deserved to be twisted and slandered, huh?
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Kiira (and her followers) definitely doesn't adress just quads specifically, it's nothing more than a part of the bussiness. After all, she's "concerned" about skaters who did not jump quads at all as well, as long as they are just Russians and esp. Eteri students. Just read the words in the article. "By that stage, their bodies may have changed dramatically and Tutberidze may have moved on to her next project." It's completely biased, uninformed, superficial, blinded attitude, it's about Eteri (or about how lady Korpi sees her). C'mon, there is a whole thread about her agenda here. Yes, she never adressess young Koreans, Japanese or Americans in such interviews and articles, just those ones exclusively. And, more than that, she has the insolence to talk in someone's "interest" without even the basic decency to talk with them first, being interested in what they truly think, how they accept her agenda etc.
Or this: "For many people, it’s not interesting anymore,” says Korpi. “People miss watching emotionally mature women skate instead of girls". Let's speak only for yourself, Korpi, not for me or "many people". This fiction about "emotionally (and not so rarely physically) mature women" is getting to be truly annoying. I don't see a crowd of those allegedly mature women presenting their emotions on somehow higher level than 3A or others. If Kiira sees that this way that's her right for an opinion but what justifies her to present her opinion as a generally valid thing.
It's also funny, how precisely Guardian, a paper unflinchingly supporting the idea of women serving in the army, doing space exploration and probably working as coal miners as well is suddenly concerned by the idea of quad jumps in figure skating
I say, if Kiira aspires to be taken at least partially seriously, than her duty is to speak with those who are object of her interest first before making serious conclusions and blaming someone publicly. She never did that and so far I haven't seen any effort in doing so.
There's an interview on The Skating Lesson which I know has a reputation for being biased against Russia (and there is a reason for it) but in it Kiira actually talked about how when she came to America there was this culture of pushing through injuries and such. Ther eis more attention on Eteri and the Russians, but to be completely honest it is her girls who are winning the olympics, sweeping every single competition, doing amazing elements at 15, but then consistently, one generation after another, faltering with injury and failure of technique before they develop into a woman's body. Now I know that growth is a struggle, and that in certain cases it signals the end of a career and that injuries happen elsewhere too but there is a reason for the concern. Now that's not to say that Eteri is not an amazing coach who produces amazing skaters because there is simply no way to deny that. The attention is on her becuase it's her that we hear most about, and her skaters that are dominating the world
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Oh yes I was mistaken, Nika will make her debut in the Olympic year just like Sasha Trusova. But then why wasn't she at jr nationals, was she injured like they said on instagram? To me Nika is just a mini Sasha 2.0 She's got the look, the amazing 4T, the 4S, the ankle scratch on the landing (that Sasha got rid of, hopefully Veronika will too) The pantsuit, Sia music....her skating skills are quite similar if you go back to when Sasha was that age, the straddle jump, and of course the iconic cantilever. Though I will say that personally my favorite of the four big novice names this year (Akatieva, Zhilina, Berestovskaia, Samodelkina) Samodelkina is my favorite despite the lack of quad (which I'm sure she's working on) because her interpretation and everything about her jumps besides the strange takeoff posture is just so effortless and beautiful.
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The age cut-off for junior nationals is 12 years old, no matter when you turned twelve, before July 1st or after, so it doesn't line up completely with the international age cut-offs. Akatieva was able to go because she had turned twelve. She wasn't injured, as she competed later at younger age nationals (and won
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it's not business of Kiira Korpi, the Guardian, Brian Orser or anybody in the west (or east, for that matter) how does Eteri Train her kids.
As far as I am aware, parents and government of Russia trust Eteri with these kids, end of story.
by the way, if you have information that anybody in Russia is forced to do something, please kindly call hot line of Russian police, serfdom has been outlawed in Russian since 1861.
P.S but still, most amusing is that pretty much nobody who has trained at Khrustalny say how they were living in hell, how they were forced to things under gunpoint. None of the 'dolls' seem to be aware of the fact that they are in hell,ruled by evil coach, whom btw, all of these dolls seem to adore like she invented fire. Kiira Korpi is very free not to bring her kids to train with Eteri, parents of these 'dolls' don't need Korpi's advices, so can she kindly leave other people's children alone?
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There's no real point in getting het up on either side, it doesn't change a thing. The Tutberidze kids are canaries in a sporting coal mine, their coach and their parents are demonstrably willing to use them for that purpose, and they are equally demonstrably willing to be used (the young do feel immortal, after all). And - as has been said about the men with their growing arsenal - it's too soon to tell if what the physical fall out will be for the decades after they retire (in the case of these girls, a LOT of decades).
There's no proof that can be held up to say the skyrocketing physical demands and declining age brackets of the sport will mean 60 odd years of pain and disability... or nothing that a few medals won't make worth it. Hell, it's still really too soon to tell with the men what the fallout in later years will be, the numbers are only just getting to a viable sample.
There's no proof that can be held up to say the skyrocketing physical demands and declining age brackets of the sport will mean 60 odd years of pain and disability... or nothing that a few medals won't make worth it. Hell, it's still really too soon to tell with the men what the fallout in later years will be, the numbers are only just getting to a viable sample.
Since we're not getting Worlds, will the GP spots not be seeded according to the podium (like how last year Alina couldn't be at the same event as Lilbet and Zhenya), or will they seed it according to the Worlds 2019 podium again? Or can they do it by WS/SB?
It could be chaos. We could have the 3A all in one GP event, though I doubt it'll happen.
It could be chaos. We could have the 3A all in one GP event, though I doubt it'll happen.
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So far she's adressed other cases only like footnotes, but the core is always the same. It's like the popular "I like XY but..."
As for the consistency, there are tons of skaters struggling with that during growing up. Current examples are obvious - Kaori Sakamoto, Eunsoo Lim and other korean girls, in the recent past Kaetlyn Osmond struggled with consistency (and injuries) practically for her whole career, till the olympic (and preolympic) season. Or look at canadian girls and young ladies today, Gabby is just the top of the iceberg. But nobody considered this a special thing. People like Kiira always talk about Eteri and her girls as something exceptionally bad, as if the world around was full of emotionally mature ladies skating consistently for their whole career. When any lady struggles, gets injured etc., "it happens", when that happes to Eteri's girl, it's a start of tons of analysis, discussions...
Remember that the ladies of Eteri, even when struggling, still have significant results. And even when they sweep the podium like during Euros now some of such commentators use the thing that all of them experienced a fall as the "proof that they are gone". Kiira with her "Tutberidze may have moved on to her next project" is in the same boat it seems. If Kiira thinks the girls are just "projects" for Eteri than I think there is no way to get some objectivity of her. Also if she sees e.g. 3A's skating is "only about jumps" than I doubt we can have come to any agreement. Those were Eteri's girls who brought me to the figure skating when I knew nothing about it, not just because of jumps (it was before quads era), but because it was the first time it truly adressed me internally.
As I say, if she would ever speak with the girls, than I may be interested, but those "distant comments" in fact look like "Korpi's project".
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THANK YOU. There are many things that are concerning in our sport and Kiira, as a figure skater herself, will have more inside knowledge than any of us. And she thankfully talks about the problems instead of just sweeping them under the rug. The problems that exist in MANY countries, not just Russia. I may not agree with all of her points but I realise that what she does is important - raise awareness for the sometimes toxic stuff that happens in figure skating and call it out.
Now, it is of course easier to just mock her, say she‘s “jealous“ (of what exactly? She‘s a grown woman, doing fine in life, she‘s successful. And now she‘s supposedly jealous of teenagers because they win medals? In a sport she herself has competed in for years and KNOWS how dangerous it can be? Oh, please). It‘s easier to laugh about her, say you “always walked out to do the laundry anyway” when it was her turn to skate than acknowledge that maybe, she has a point.
That the article is worded a certain was is no surprise, they want to catch the interest of readers. That it might be written by someone who isn‘t a total figure skating expert - of course and I think that‘s what makes it interesting as well. Because really, this shows how many see our sport from the outside.
And if you look at it, many things addressed in the article ARE true, as uncomfortable as that truth may be. Like it or not, she has a point. We already have seen a pattern in Eteri‘s team, without quads and ultra c elements, it didn’t matter. Now, for those... we will have to wait too, what happens. We just don’t know enough about the effects on children, who, really DO train them at a very, very young age. That 3A by Zhilina? Or her 4T? Amazing, astounding. And yet the snap of her ankle, the way her edge lands flat on the ice, sounds like a gunshot. She is 11. Isn‘t that concerning anyone? Isn‘t it possible to marvel at the athleticism and STILL worry about the longtime effects? Why shouldn‘t it? It doesn‘t have to be either or.
Sasha, Anna, Aliona, who are the current Russian stars, are exceptionally talented. Maybe they will be able to break the cycle, who knows. I‘d wish it for them. And our sport.
I realize that this may be a rant and that I haven‘t really added anything to your already quite sharp and concise point but I‘m just sick of it. Mocking an athlete who‘s doing her best at making our sport a better place just because one doesn‘t like the issues she addresses... No. I say: Thank you, Kiira for your very important work, instead. All over the world.
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Oh please, that 'joke' was stale and offensive the first time someone attempted it. Neither the virus, the people sick and dying, nor 90% of the world at large give a damn about Tutberidze or her 'pets', like the rest of us they are simply collateral.
Give them credit, at least they appear to know and accept that.
it would be funny if it wasn‘t so sad.
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They did.
If they want to be public figures, by definition they cede the press and the public a level of right to form opinions about them; they then have the right to ignore, or disprove, or even reject those opinions. They're by no means unique in being judged, as people in any sport - in any area of art or entertainment, which sport is - will quite forcefully tell you....
As I said, no point in getting het up either way until there's evidence. As has been famously said, 'prediction is very hard, especially about the future' - and thanks to the current situation, a lot of the current crop of stars may be passe before we are able to get that...
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When Boris Pasternak's "Doctor Zhivago" was published, he was castigated by the party, writer's union, workers, everyone... And the phrase "I haven't read Pasternak's book, but I condemn it!" became quite famous afterwards.
Same here, with Korpi's rants: "I haven't visited Eteri's school even once, haven't watched her athletes train, never even bothered to talk to the athletes or their parents - but I condemn her methods!"
