2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[fabienne1996]

i think its interesting that she had looked at 2 other coaches first before Plushenko...even though Eteri persuaded her to stay those times, why didn't she return to either choice when she finally decided to leave? was she rejected from both and Plushenko was her 3rd choice?

I would say that mabye they would have liked to take one of the other coaches, bit the first time they looked was a trainer not based in Russia which in this situation the world is now in at this moment could be quite difficult because who knows when she could fly to another sou try, besides her entire family would probably have to uproot their life and move with her because she is still underaged and can't go alone. And the second trainer was one in Russia what happenend to this thought I do not know and I do not think we will find out who it was that they looked at

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[laybackrelaxspinfast]

If you think Nugamanova and Gubanova are worlds apart, your world mustn't be very large.



you mean training so many skaters to world elite? I agree.



and it's me who is twisting facts,right?



Out of curiosity, who was 'main focus of the group' in Pyongyang ?

Firstly none of those two girls are relevant in the current world of skating and neither is their coach. No offence to them, they’re lovely skaters. But I don’t think anyone of significance is trying to get in that coaches group or defeat those girls.

Also not falling for that but nice try mate.

If it’s not state funded please enlighten me, I don’t pretend to have all the knowledge of that I just thought it was and I am happy for my passing comment to be corrected.

Also not falling for that because I don’t wish to dig up old irrelevant drama.

You really are committed to your love for TT and no individual skaters. That’s good for you!

 

[Spirals for Miles]

If they were international choices she may not have wanted to move. I can’t imagine who else in Russia she would consider seriously. No one else has the money to throw behind her training and would be a down grade in every meaning of the word. No offence to Mishin he is doing well with what he has got and I still have mad respect for him.

I wonder if she considered Dayvdov... :think:

 

[Lunalovesskating]

i think its interesting that she had looked at 2 other coaches first before Plushenko...even though Eteri persuaded her to stay those times, why didn't she return to either choice when she finally decided to leave? was she rejected from both and Plushenko was her 3rd choice?

Sasha had three choices for coaches according to an article however one of the choices dropped out quite quickly after the first round, so she was only left with two choices, Plushenko and the other is unknown.

 

[KOBOT37]

Liza being sick was the only reason she wasn't at the EC in the year that Sonya won. and this season, no one was at EC other than the 3A. Liza would have still beaten Sonya at competition.

Okay let's do Numbers on 2018-2019 season:



Lombardia trophy: Liza 206, Sonya 184.
Skate America: Sonya 198, Liza Skate Canada 203.
Rostelecom: Sonya 198, NHK Liza:219.
GPF: 204 Sonya, 214 Liza
Russian Nationals: Sonya 209
Europeans: Sonya 213
worlds: Sonya 208 with 138 in Free skate.

Was Lisa better skater? Sure.
Would she beat Europeans version of Sonya? not given. She would be favoured to do, but definitely nowhere near guaranteed.
Worlds apart? definitely not in my book.

 

[Edwin]

Moscow major Sobryanin extended closure of sports facilities till May 31.

Wether that means sport schools facilities too, my news flash didn’t tell.

Sambo-70 is an educational institution, commercial rinks and private academies are enterprises.

Who will open up first and where, because the regions have considerable autonomy in this, and some regions are hit less hard than Moscow or Sankt Peterburg.

 

[Sugar Coated]

Like they had with Adelina, Sima & Nastya?

The problem was that before they didn’t have enough top quality assistant coaches to devote the time. And if plushenko is not able to do shows he will be able to devote more time to his students even if he is not the primary coach.

 

[Resa]

Okay let's do Numbers on 2018-2019 season:



Lombardia trophy: Liza 206, Sonya 184.
Skate America: Sonya 198, Liza Skate Canada 203.
Rostelecom: Sonya 198, NHK Liza:219.
GPF: 204 Sonya, 214 Liza
Russian Nationals: Sonya 209
Europeans: Sonya 213
worlds: Sonya 208 with 138 in Free skate.

Was Lisa better skater? Sure.
Would she beat Europeans version of Sonya? not given. She would be favoured to do, but definitely nowhere near guaranteed.
Worlds apart? definitely not in my book.

You have to take into account that Sofya was very clean that year while Liza had about one mediocre mistake per skate and still won based on points.

 

[JazzUp]

The Russian Rocket has finally spoken: https://m.vk.com/id387283853?from=group

(although didn't say anything we didn't know already).

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

The Russian Rocket has finally spoken: https://m.vk.com/id387283853?from=group

(although didn't say anything we didn't know already).

Can someone post what she has said. Can’t see it without an account.

 

[KOBOT37]

Firstly none of those two girls are relevant in the current world of skating and neither is their coach. No offence to them, they’re lovely skaters. But I don’t think anyone of significance is trying to get in that coaches group or defeat those girls.

Also not falling for that but nice try mate.

If it’s not state funded please enlighten me, I don’t pretend to have all the knowledge of that I just thought it was and I am happy for my passing comment to be corrected.

Also not falling for that because I don’t wish to dig up old irrelevant drama.

You really are committed to your love for TT and no individual skaters. That’s good for you! ����

don't know about "world" but they are competitors at Russian cup and getting that little piece of cake RussFed is willing to give them...

It's state funded, but it has nothing to do with said "unusual activity" but considering you "didn't fall" for discussing the cause, nevermind

Too bad you didn't want to comment it, we have interesting case, either Alina was main focus during her first Junior season or she didn't do that bad as um, not main focus? Also, you probably won't fall for that either, but I will try anyway, who was the main focus of the group this season? Anna? Alena? Did coaches let down the other one? If so... what can be said about other coaches?

 

[KOBOT37]

Can someone post what she has said. Can’t see it without an account.

I left the team at which I stayed for 5 years for Personal reasons,now my coach is Plushenko,We already choose music for new programme and after lockdown will start training. I hope you will meet my decision with understanding and without negativity, I hope and believe you will support me.

p.s not word by word translation, but the meaning is there.

 

[Resa]

don't know about "world" but they are competitors at Russian cup and getting that little piece of cake RussFed is willing to give them...

It's state funded, but it has nothing to do with said "unusual activity" but considering you "didn't fall" for discussing the cause, nevermind

Too bad you didn't want to comment it, we have interesting case, either Alina was main focus during her first Junior season or she didn't do that bad as um, not main focus? Also, you probably won't fall for that either, but I will try anyway, who was the main focus of the group this season? Anna? Alena? Did coaches let down the other one? If so... what can be said about other coaches?

There is simply not ENOUGH focus for everyone. That's what people are trying to say. Has nothing to do with main/not main focus. A high profile athlete needs a massive amount of focus on him/her, if there are too many high profile athletes (even if you spread the focus fairly), there won't be enough focus on them. Some can handle that better, some have a harder time (also depends on how challenging your difficulty layout is). But it doesn't mean that not all athletes would benefit from having more trainer focus on them.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

I left the team at which I stayed for 5 years for Personal reasons,now my coach is Plushenko,We already choose music for new programme and after lockdown will start training. I hope you will meet my decision with understanding and without negativity, I hope and believe you will support me.

p.s not word by word translation, but the meaning is there.

Thank you!
I’m excited to see how they choose to package her next season. Will we see upbeat high energy and power or will they try artistic. It will make for a very interesting off season!

 

[Edwin]

The Russian Rocket has finally spoken: https://m.vk.com/id387283853?from=group

(although didn't say anything we didn't know already).

Well spoken, Aleksandra. Clear and to the point.

May The Force Be With You in your next endeavour. Conquering Cosmos, jumping where no female skater has ever jumped before, Quintuple Quadster.

Will she need a new outfitter as well?

 

[Resa]

Well spoken, Aleksandra. Clear and to the point.

May The Force Be With You in your next endeavour. Conquering Cosmos, jumping where no female skater has ever jumped before, Quintuple Quadster.

Will she need a new outfitter as well?

I have to say I am very exited. If she gets a program even half as good as Tarakanovas FS was, that's a huge choreography win in my opinion

 

[KOBOT37]

There is simply not ENOUGH focus for everyone. That's what people are trying to say. Has nothing to do with main/not main focus. A high profile athlete needs a massive amount of focus on him/her, if there are too many high profile athletes (even if you spread the focus fairly), there won't be enough focus on them. Some can handle that better, some have a harder time (also depends on how challenging your difficulty layout is). But it doesn't mean that not all athletes would benefit from having more trainer focus on them.

I thinks this discussion is going nowhere now.

Let me state few facts.

Every single GP was won by Eteri's Skater.
From 6 possible skaters, Eteri had 4 at GPF.
Eteri's Skaters swept podium at Russian nationals, GPF and Europeans, were highly likely to repeat it at words.
At the last world championship Eteri's skaters won 1-2 place.
Same goes for the last Olympics.
This year, in Juniors, Eteri's Skaters took 2 Medals from JGPF (with Injured Valieva), Swept Podium at Nationals, and were 2 points(or 4 don't remember well) from sweeping Junior worlds.

Trusova jumps all the quads minus one, beat anybody but her team mates and set record at FP.

So what do we have here? If any of these theories about system not working for her, her lacking attention are right and she still has such results... she must be very,very good. Obviously she is an amazing talent, nobody denies that, but is she that good?

Because if she isn't that good ( I frankly doubt anybody can be THAT good) and system was in fact, working for her and she was getting attention from the coach(es) she needed, she made her life considerably harder.

I guess we have to wait and see, but right now, this decision looks like she left the best coaches in the world, the coaches who made her multi-quad jumping, record holder and one of the best skaters in the world to the coach whose best accomplishment is winning national championship among novices.

There can be countless emotional reasons justifying this transfer, but right now, it's not logical.

Imagine you and 2 your friend were going to hunt a bear.

All of you are getting your weapons from best gun dealer in the world.

You are constantly amazing, but 3rd among your friends.

One day you decide that you want more ammo, gun dealer can't give you that and you switch to pistol(okay, probably desert eagle ) for next hunting.

is it right decision? it may be, only if you were so good that you managed to beat everyone else at bear-hunting with not enough ammo and/or with a gun/shooting style not fitting for you. But if you had enough ammo with you and gun wasn't a problem.. Somedays you eat the b(e)ar, and somedays ...It eats you

Hopefully, next season will come and we will see who was the problem, the gun or the one who held it.

 

[Resa]

I thinks this discussion is going nowhere now.

Let me state few facts.

Every single GP was won by Eteri's Skater.
From 6 possible skaters, Eteri had 4 at GPF.
Eteri's Skaters swept podium at Russian nationals, GPF and Europeans, were highly likely to repeat it at words.
At the last world championship Eteri's skaters won 1-2 place.
Same goes for the last Olympics.
This year, in Juniors, Eteri's Skaters took 2 Medals from JGPF (with Injured Valieva), Swept Podium at Nationals, and were 2 points(or 4 don't remember well) from sweeping Junior worlds.

Trusova jumps all the quads minus one, beat anybody but her team mates and set record at FP.

So what do we have here? If any of these theories about system not working for her, her lacking attention are right and she still has such results... she must be very,very good. Obviously she is an amazing talent, nobody denies that, but is she that good?

Because if she isn't that good ( I frankly doubt anybody can be THAT good) and system was in fact, working for her and she was getting attention from the coach(es) she needed, she made her life considerably harder.

I guess we have to wait and see, but right now, this decision looks like she left the best coaches in the world, the coaches who made her multi-quad jumping, record holder and one of the best skaters in the world to the coach whose best accomplishment is winning national championship among novices.

There can be countless emotional reasons justifying this transfer, but right now, it's not logical.

Imagine you and 2 your friend were going to hunt a bear.

All of you are getting your weapons from best gun dealer in the world.

You are constantly amazing, but 3rd among your friends.

One day you decide that you want more ammo, gun dealer can't give you that and you switch to pistol(okay, probably desert eagle ) for next hunting.

is it right decision? it may be, only if you were so good that you managed to beat everyone else at bear-hunting with not enough ammo and/or with a gun/shooting style not fitting for you. But if you had enough ammo with you and gun wasn't a problem.. Somedays you eat the b(e)ar, and somedays ...It eats you

Hopefully, next season will come and we will see who was the problem, the gun or the one who held it.

That comparison doesn't work.

If you loose out on your friends whilst having the best equipment,
then you probably *need more time to work and practice* (on precision, probably, in the case of your example).
Like maybe Trusova needs, as people were trying to point out here.

I also want to mention that figure skating is a way better occupation than brutally killing animals for no particular benefits, but that discussion doesn't belong here

 

[plushyfan]

Like they had with Adelina, Sima & Nastya?

Adelina was injured continously. She tried to train but she couldn't. Last time two years ago she travelled to the academy's summer camp with great plans. It was in Bulgaria, but she got injured in the first days on her ankle. She was so depressive when she went back to Moscow. I remember the attacks on her from the Russians, too. They didn't believe her injury. I don't like when the people think the worst about anybody. Their conclusion was she is a liar... This is so typical from the Russians. Sorry, this is my experience.

Sima: She trained there for one season. She was in trouble she had problems with the family. She started to train there with injury , Plushenko payed her medical treatment and hausing in Moscow. When they learned Sima received a spot in the US GP, in Lake Placid Plushenko postponed some shows in Slovakia. Otherwise we can see the shows in his schedule before Sima arrived to the Academy. Probably many posters remember this. Plushenko had visa to US solely. He and Zakarian run from the small slovakien cities to Bratislava, after Bratislava to Moscow and form Moscow to US and then they travelled by car to Lake Placid. And all of these under 1 day. She improved in jumps especially in Axel. But Sima was all alone in Moscow she was the only one senior in the school, in the group and she missed her family so much. She left the Academy.

Tarakanova: I like her at the academy so much!She improved in jumps. She left the Academy, because the ice was small isn't good for seniors, she has no enough ice time and she didn't receive enough attentions. One month later the Academy moved to a well-sized rink..maybe she should have been more patient. Nastya lost her sponsor and she is in trouble now. Unfortunately, because she is one of my favorite juniors. I'm dreaming about it she will go back to Academy.

 

[KOBOT37]

I really doubt anybody, anywhere is going to get more time to practice then they give them to Khrustalny, and what may be critically important to Trusova( and anu Multi Quad Jumpers), I doubt anybody knows how to manage extreme hours spent at training without breaking the athlete down better than Eteri.

Khrustalny has unusual habbit of sweeping podiums for a reason and with all due respect to the work he did there, Rozanov definitely isn't that reason