2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[nussnacker]

https://m.sport.business-gazeta.ru/article/254808/
Not sure how reliable is this source, but it has some interesting details.

 

[Good Vibes Only]

What? Are individual lessons not the norm in Russia? This is a first for me. I don’t pretend to be familiar with the operations of their training in terms of who gets what and when, but I’m shocked. In a lot of countries including my own the norm is you pay for your own 1-1 sessions which are a priority. You can do group lessons as part of a skating club for specific skills for a few hours each week and obviously there are group sessions for gaining your levels before you do the main testing route. That is a very interesting system, I think I understand why the girls eventually leave even more now.

I don’t know all of the facts of the Russian coaching system, but yes they do train in group lessons. It’s not just Eteri’s rink though, many rinks use the group training method. Honestly though their system doesn’t seem that bad because it forces skaters to have a good work ethic and to be independent. If a skater doesn’t have a good work ethic then they don’t improve on their own. The group lessons also would let skaters sort their problems out on their own without needing a coach if a jump is off. I forget which competition it was, but I remember that Zhenya had a problem with her opening triple flip in her free program and she was able to sense what went wrong and land the next flip. The commentators were really impressed that she was able to sort the problem out on her own, during her routine. Based off of the documentaries, it seems like Eteri and Daniil watch all of the girls program run throughs and give them feedback of what went wrong. Other than that I don’t know how they divide their attention.

 

[plushyfan]

If it’s not for money why choosing Plushenko ? He said that Zagitova and Medvedeva earn little compared to his own son who earn a lot.
He maybe earn a lot of cash but as a coach, well like Dani said we can’t tell

This is not same thing..Plushenko's son earns money with commercials mostly. I doubt the money was Sasha's main reason to moved to Plush. Sasha Trusova wants to be champion!

 

[flanker]

https://m.sport.business-gazeta.ru/article/254808/
Not sure how reliable is this source, but it has some interesting details.

Well, if Davydov would move to Eteri (with his skaters?), that would be a true bomb Of course, no reliable data about it so far, no more than a speculation. On the other hand Polina Shelepen doesn't sound unrealistric to me. Kirill Davydenko also doesn't sound bad, but he would have to move from St. Peterburg to Moscow.

All in all, it would be an interesting game, "guess who will replace Rozanov"

 

[Edwin]

I agree, it's incredibly difficult to keep a few talented students under one roof. I wonder how it will go for Aliona and Anna. The thing is, Viner's situation is very different. She has very good funding and basically owns the monopoly of Russian rhythmic gymnastics - almost all Russian gymnasts and groups have Viner's name under coach section. Not sure how it could be possible in figure skating.

This is exactly what Plyushchenko strives for, a monopoly of non state funded skaters competing in different groups under his management. An idea not entirely impossible, since this is how many commercial sports work.

With legal adults that is, and here lies the problem? Who is going to pay for ice and trainers to start working with 1000 3-4 year olds for 15 years with only one the stature of Trusova remaining? Kiddie leagues with GnomGnomich?

The poaching of more or less ready made athletes and their trainers from state schools when there are no state schools anymore? So every prospective toddler entering the ice has to be monetised well in advance of reaching current novice/junior age, just like GnomGnomich??

 

[Edwin]

Well, if Davydov would move to Eteri (with his skaters?), that would be a true bomb Of course, no reliable data about it so far, no more than a speculation. On the other hand Polina Shelepen doesn't sound unrealistric to me. Kirill Davydenko also doesn't sound bad, but he would have to move from St. Peterburg to Moscow.

All in all, it would be an interesting game, "guess who will replace Rozanov"

Unless another specialist, tall and strong, able to handle the pole and harness with this lot of pupils can be found, it's most likely going to be a man. Gleikhengauz dislikes working the pole, and joked in his interview with Gadzhieva about Dudakov dislike of it also. Will be interesting to find out how Eteri Georgiyevna will be able to work with an ambitious young female trainer like Sof'ya Fedchenko? Or indeed Polina Shelepen, a former pupil?

 

[Fried]

https://m.sport.business-gazeta.ru/article/254808/
Not sure how reliable is this source, but it has some interesting details.

If everything went well between Sasha and Rozanov it would be a dream. I sincerely wish her success. TT will survive the drama. But the article is unlikely, after all, there is no mention of Father Trusov selling his poor daughter for a lot of money.

 

[Alex65]

If everything went well between Sasha and Rozanov it would be a dream. I sincerely wish her success. TT will survive the drama. But the article is unlikely, after all, there is no mention of Father Trusov selling his poor daughter for a lot of money.

TT creates drama. They themselves make a wave against Sasha. It really is. This is not only on dirty sites, it is growing on official resources. From today, I am not officially a supporter of Eteri Tim. What they encourage is simply unworthy.

 

[KOBOT37]

https://m.sport.business-gazeta.ru/article/254808/
Not sure how reliable is this source, but it has some interesting details.

I don't trust Business-gazeta but... If Rozanov trying to recruit skaters behind Eteri's back is true,then that is low.

p.s What Davydov why not Lipetsky? what about Hamada, while we are at it

Davidenko, Dobrin and Davydov are out of question.

Somehow Pogorilaya seems most fitting from that list.

But knowing Eteri, it will be someone who no one has heard of and is working some remote rink somewhere in small town

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

At least in Eteri's group not really. I don't remember who, but one of the coaches (maybe Daniil? Can't recall) clearly stated that there are no individual lessons, they always work in group. Obviously, there must be some individual attention when they get new programs or learn new jumps, but I assume they mostly go on ice all together. But private lessons are available in other clubs especially for younger kids. I heard that one of the reasons why Aliona's skating skills are so good is because she took additional lessons on ice when she was younger.

That is really intriguing. I do wonder if they had the capacity to offer 1-1 frequently would we see an even bigger impact on the sport from their team. Good on them for achieving what they do in a group setting. That speaks volumes about the skaters because most can’t even achieve that with regular 1-1 input.

 

[nussnacker]

If everything went well between Sasha and Rozanov it would be a dream. I sincerely wish her success. TT will survive the drama. But the article is unlikely, after all, there is no mention of Father Trusov selling his poor daughter for a lot of money.

Wait what? I don’t know if I missed it, but the article doesn’t even mention Sasha (aside from her move to Plushenko), it’s mainly about Rozanov and his history within their rink. I also didn’t find anything bad in it about Rozanov too... it says that he was unhappy and decided to move, and since Sasha was on the look for a new coach anyway, he offered her to train with him.

 

[Edwin]

https://m.sport.business-gazeta.ru/article/254808/
Not sure how reliable is this source, but it has some interesting details.

Written by Rustam Imamov, who I've found to be moderate and reasonable in his arguments in other articles.

And a Kazan based publication, so far from the Moscow hotbeds of intrigue?

Anyway, each of us can piece together the same information and rumours about more skaters following Rozanov.
The reason could be entirely practical, like not having to travel for hours to the rink and back.

For kids this young, nothing much will change, they still have to work hard if they want to make it, since I assume Rozanov aspires more than leading recreational groups.

 

[Happy Skates]

What? Are individual lessons not the norm in Russia? This is a first for me. I don’t pretend to be familiar with the operations of their training in terms of who gets what and when, but I’m shocked. In a lot of countries including my own the norm is you pay for your own 1-1 sessions which are a priority. You can do group lessons as part of a skating club for specific skills for a few hours each week and obviously there are group sessions for gaining your levels before you do the main testing route. That is a very interesting system, I think I understand why the girls eventually leave even more now.

No, this isn't the norm in Russia or in some other countries like Japan (I'm pretty sure), etc. I don't know if you're familiar with other sports, but from what I understand its very similar to the way gymnasts train in the US (and in other countries), its more of a "team" training, where everyone is skating and the coaches will divide their attention between them. Brian Orser talked a lot in interviews about how he had to get Evgenia used to this when she moved to TCC, - because she wouldn't know what to do during times she wasn't in lessons. I think there are upsides and downsides to this system - private lessons are great for individual attention, but someone who's not as responsible/self motivated might struggle with the sessions where they have to practice on their own without their coach coaching. However, its not like the group lessons in Russia don't have individual attention, its just that the coaches can switch between skaters whenever they want, give a quick criticism here and then move there, things like that. This could've been why Sasha felt like she wasn't getting enough attention, because the coaches are free to give attention to whoever they want at whatever time and don't have a strict schedule of lessons like they would in the North American system.

 

[nussnacker]

I don't trust Business-gazeta but... If Rozanov trying to recruit skaters behind Eteri's back is true,then that is low.

p.s What Davydov why not Lipetsky? what about Hamada, while we are at it

Davidenko, Dobrin and Davydov are out of question.

Somehow Pogorilaya seems most fitting from that list.

But knowing Eteri, it will be someone who no one has heard of and is working some remote rink somewhere in small town

Well, the article says that they are working with him exclusively anyways, so they wanted to continue working with him. I mean one can put it as “taking students away”, but students often follow coaches they worked closely with, it’s normal. For example, Gabrielle went with her coach Lee Barkell, when he changed his rink, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

No, this isn't the norm in Russia or in some other countries like Japan (I'm pretty sure), etc. I don't know if you're familiar with other sports, but from what I understand its very similar to the way gymnasts train in the US (and in other countries), its more of a "team" training, where everyone is skating and the coaches will divide their attention between them. Brian Orser talked a lot in interviews about how he had to get Evgenia used to this when she moved to TCC, - because she wouldn't know what to do during times she wasn't in lessons. I think there are upsides and downsides to this system - private lessons are great for individual attention, but someone who's not as responsible/self motivated might struggle with the sessions where they have to practice on their own without their coach coaching. However, its not like the group lessons in Russia don't have individual attention, its just that the coaches can switch between skaters whenever they want, give a quick criticism here and then move there, things like that. This could've been why Sasha felt like she wasn't getting enough attention, because the coaches are free to give attention to whoever they want at whatever time and don't have a strict schedule of lessons like they would in the North American system.

Thank you for explaining this. Yes it makes more sense when comparing it to gymnastics. My rink usually staggers skills for focus so each skater gets feedback after the element immediately followed by their training mates so even in a group setting it is much different for us. I couldn’t imagine the process working well if skaters had to pay for their own training, but obviously with the luxury of it being state funded they get top notch skating input for a longer period, it may just be less directed and personal for them. It clarifies what Evgenia and Yulia were referring to when they left though because both girls would have needed significant 1-1 input to catch up to the upcoming juniors skills and maybe that is not possible in the group setting without showing favouritism by giving a lot of focus. But on the other side of that it is what they would need to stay competitive.

 

[Fried]

Wait what? I don’t know if I missed it, but the article doesn’t even mention Sasha (aside from her move to Plushenko), it’s mainly about Rozanov and his history within their rink. I also didn’t find anything bad in it about Rozanov too... it says that he was unhappy and decided to move, and since Sasha was on the look for a new coach anyway, he offered her to train with him.

You are right, sorry.
Well, I think we can assume that Rozanov will work with Sasha. Since I only know him from the TV screen so far, I was pleased with what was written about him in the article.
The whole thing makes sense to me now and I hope it works in practice. We will see.

 

[Edwin]

Your attitude to work is more important to #TeamTutberidzeForProgress than your talent.

 

[happycamper2554]

Or they burn you out with work until your talent is no longer needed

 

[KOBOT37]

People who are calling out TT for being harsh of skaters who leave them, seems to be missing simple detail.

TT obviously think(and for a right reason) that they are the best coaches in the world, so from their point of view, skater who leaves them is telling them "That coach other there is better than you"- almost an insult.

 

[Fried]

People who are calling out TT for being harsh of skaters who leave them, seems to be missing simple detail.

TT obviously think(and for a right reason) that they are the best coaches in the world, so from their point of view, skater who leaves them is telling them "That coach other there is better than you"- almost an insult.

Wait!
Sasha takes her trainer with her. It's almost a compliment.