2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[nussnacker]

Does "working the poll" have the same meaning for non native english speakers that it does here?

Hahahhaha
Every day we’re learning something new about team Tutberidze and Sergej Rozanov! That might have been the reason of him quitting, working the pole was just too much, he came to be a coach after all xD

 

[Edwin]

LOL, a thought the particular reference was ‘rod’, so I avoided that word. And apparently didn’t succeed. TSL and Hotrod Sergey, wonder he will like that connotation, but he is a front man now. Most likely not repeating the public behaviour of his master. And TSL might be able to admire his handsomeness when season finally starts.

 

[Edwin]

Volkov still has unfinished business over the particular way he judged the skaters from the ‘opposite camp’ in the Moscow novice events.

It’ll be good to re-analyse his markings one more time.

And Volkov, by extension, will be under increased scrutiny in his next judging.

 

[Edwin]

Regarding the programs of Tarakanova in her year under Plyushchenko, who choreographed those?

I myself didn’t particularly like the ‘red lipstick’ program, thought it made Anastasiya look vulgar.

And what happened to the two young female coaches that traveled with Tarakanova then?

About Ryabova one shouldn’t worry too much. AZE fed pays for her training in the group of Volkov.
Yekaterina herself said in an interview she wants to have a pleasant, long and healthy career, getting into the Olympics for her federation. Not battling it out for the medal rostrum with all the daily stress and worries.

 

[lpt]

And what happened to the two young female coaches that traveled with Tarakanova then?

Coach Kseniya Ivanova left Plyuschenko rink and started her own school with Adyan Pitkeyev.

 

[plushyfan]

Regarding the programs of Tarakanova in her year under Plyushchenko, who choreographed those?

I myself didn’t particularly like the ‘red lipstick’ program, thought it made Anastasiya look vulgar.

And what happened to the two young female coaches that traveled with Tarakanova then?

About Ryabova one shouldn’t worry too much. AZE fed pays for her training in the group of Volkov.
Yekaterina herself said in an interview she wants to have a pleasant, long and healthy career, getting into the Olympics for her federation. Not battling it out for the medal rostrum with all the daily stress and worries.

Ryabova on Plushenko 01. 2019., google translate https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...livyy-on-nadolgo-zaryazhayet-svoyey-energiyey

Ryabova: “Plushenko is insanely charismatic and talented. He charges with his energy for a long time. ”
Figure skater Ekaterina Ryabova spoke about her training process. At the European Championships in Minsk, 15-year-old Ryabova became the youngest participant.

“Yevgeny Viktorovich Plushenko, Alexander Sergeyevich Volkov, his wife Martina, Alexander Zolotarev and Svetlana, a new trainer, have been working with me for about a week. Classes in the general physical training are conducted by Ram, a classy specialist, I start rolling some starts only thanks to him. My parents also help me, but more with advice.

The training process is structured as follows: warm-up, then an hour on the ice for an hour and ten minutes, then an hour break - you can eat or do lessons, then TFP, then again an hour of ice, and, in conclusion, physical training or choreography, depending on the day of the week.

Plushenko controls the process. There are cameras on the ice with which he watches our activities. When he succeeds, he arrives and works very fruitfully with us. If Evgeny Viktorovich is on the show, then, of course, he gives all of himself to the show. He probably comes for two to three weeks once a month. That is, without him we train a little.

Plushenko is an insanely charismatic, talented and impossibly hardworking person. He always surrenders to his beloved business completely - at competitions, in shows, at trainings. Evgeny Viktorovich comes to the ice, and we have been charged with his energy for a week. It is very cool.

Plushenko knows the technique very well. If he is on ice and on skates, everyone immediately goes to the side and watches how he shows something, because it’s great, ”Ryabova said in an interview with Sport24 correspondent Konstantin Lesik.

 

[Edwin]

Coach Kseniya Ivanova left Plyuschenko rink and started her own school with Adyan Pitkeyev.

Thanks.

Another commercial venture?

AFAIK only the very ambitious and determined Sof’ya Fedchenko with her Triumph Academy currently has a pupil on the national junior team with the excellent Alina Gorbachyova.

Sof’ya even arranged for a private training camp in a rented place outside of Moscow, so the 8 or so girls live, train, study, play together almost like in a household, maintaining self isolation.

Alina and her mates are working very hard every day on anything except ice.
Plus, to me it seems Sof’ya conducts her Academy with even more strictness and discipline than state school, not wanting to waste either her time or parental money.

FFKKR proclaimed itself doubtful over the sudden rise of the Academies, perhaps rightfully concerned over levels, safety, proper teaching and such. And of course from the compatibility point of view in relation to their state schools.

Seems to me, Fedchenko is working properly.
But watching those sessions is not for the feeble over children's rights.

 

[katymay]

It certainly does. Thanks for the warning, but ... (1) Rozanov worked with the younger skaters (that's what Eteri hired him for), and had much to do with the development of the junior girls who did so well this past season ... and he wasn't allowed to go with them to the competitions? Shouldn't he have been sitting with them? not exclusively perhaps, but at least as one of the 3 coaches in K&C? I don't find it unreasonable at all that he would want to at least be seen, when he is credited with working so well with the juniors. That kind of pride in his students and ambition for himself is a positive characteristic. It would be part of the reward for all his efforts.

(2) According to this article, Rozanov has good communication skills in teaching. He doesn't have to resort to scolding, which is the usual form of correction with ET apparently? This sounds valid to me, since in interviews of the 3A I've read, it's been mentioned how intimidating Eteri is and keeps a distance. This method may work perfectly well with some students, but not at all well with others. Encouragement is a more effective motivator for some. Being able to critique, correct, and challenge students without scolding is a very valuable skill in a teacher/coach.

I've read so many articles on this transition in the last couple of days that I've lost count. I agree with those who've said Eteri and Team will be fine. I now feel that Roganov was justified and needed to seek another situation, for his own self-respect and well-being. It sounds like Plushenko intends to make him a prominent player with his own skaters, so good. I even feel a little more hopeful for Trusova now. Hoping for positive experiences and happiness all around.

When you watch alot of the novice competitions-Rozonov has a terrific rapport with kids. He is supportive while maintaining 'coaching distance'. Another coach that impressed me at the novice level was Alexei Urmanov (who I didn't even recognize). Urmanov has some super talented kids, and he was warm and supportive whether they did well-or not. My feeling is that Trusova should have moved to Urmanov if she was going to make a move.
Davydov, however, did NOT leave me with a very good impression-he pouts, gives his skaters the silent treatment if they 'fail' him etc. While they are skating he does the 'Eteri eye roll' and glare. Rozonov and Urmanov watch their skaters with a 'poker face' which is appropriate when coaching children.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

It’s not about what type of choregraphy previous Pluschenko students had, he never had a student in the level of Alexandra, he said he might even hire an international choreographer, and honestly, anything is better than what Daniil did with her programs last season, they were just painful to watch choreographically. This thread is so tiring sometimes.


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[Edwin]

Wonder whether Mrs Kostyleva and Rozanov make up again.

And wether Mrs Parsenova and her young daughter followed Rozanov to Plyushcheko's, since the mothers got into this argument over Rozanov's attention. Or perhaps over Tutberidze's (lack of) attention towards their child or refusal to take side on behalf of her younger colleague?

Also, Plyushcheko's Angels being the commercial, recreative branch of the enterprise, a new entity might be required to host the competitive part of the enterprise, the FFKKR acknowledged one with its FFKKR licenced athletes on their stipends?

 

[Edwin]

When you watch alot of the novice competitions-Rozonov has a terrific rapport with kids. He is supportive while maintaining 'coaching distance'. Another coach that impressed me at the novice level was Alexei Urmanov (who I didn't even recognize). Urmanov has some super talented kids, and he was warm and supportive whether they did well-or not. My feeling is that Trusova should have moved to Urmanov if she was going to make a move.
Davydov, however, did NOT leave me with a very good impression-he pouts, gives his skaters the silent treatment if they 'fail' him etc. While they are skating he does the 'Eteri eye roll' and glare. Rozonov and Urmanov watch their skaters with a 'poker face' which is appropriate when coaching children.

Good posting, Katy

There is definitely something old school in both Tutberidze's and Davydov's behaviour, and this can be seen in a lot of traditional trainers, including some fairly young ones. Which is probably the result of copying their mentor's behaviour. Plus 'abused' athletes make 'abusive' coaches, because they survived this treatment and emerged stronger, why wouldn't their charges be 'toughened up' the same way?

TV exaggerates for the sake of entertainment, and who knows how seemingly nice people behave off screen, when presumed unobserved?

Working with 8-9 year olds like Kostyleva already differs from working with 10-11 year olds like Zhilina. From 12 year old, the game takes the serious turn, it gets for real and the children know this. Usually, the corn has been separated from the chaff by then already.

Funny thing is I remember from some Moscow competition where Volkov and Rozanov were seen quietly chatting together as trainers, while at the other competition in the series, Rozanov's charges were screwed over by the same Volkov as a judge. I'd punch him in the face for such betrayal.

They are in the same camp now, serving a common goal and master. Wonder how this will pan out in a future Moscow novice competition. Will Titova now be coached by Rozanov, since Plyushchenko promised Trusova his full efforts and attention?

 

[Pantsu]

I don't think Rozanov is much of a different than TGD or Davydov. I remember when Akat'yeva failed at one of the local competition and "the silent treatment" in KnC

 

[Edwin]

I don't think Rozanov is much of a different than TGD or Davydov. I remember when Akat'yeva failed at one of the local competition and "the silent treatment" in KnC

Pros and cons to this. It teaches athletes mental strength and remaining composed in the camera eye.
Akat'yeva was visibly distressed at first, but managed to recompose herself IIRC.

Sports at this level is no children's game, and the children know this.

Kiira 'Koncerned' Korpii might label it as emotional abuse, but after a few of these experiences, the children seem less stressed and distraught. They are athletes, so dealing with this is part of the job.

Quickly put your disappointment behind you, take a few learning moments, always look forward to your next start where you can do better

 

[Scott512]

Watching this video made me feel nostalgic. Feels like the end of an era

I know Sasha is not retiring or something drastic like that but somehow her not being part of this team anymore feels... weird. I guess it will take time to get used to.

PS: I will surely miss Sasha and Tina's matching costumes

I wonder how this will affect the relationship between Sasha and ex team mates (specially Anna and Alyona). I hope they will stay on good terms and still be able to joke around together and stuff like that It was always nice to see them interact with each other.

Nice post. I feel the same way you do and wonder about the relationship of the girls in the future. I think it will be like Alina and Zhenya where they say hello and are cordial to each other but there's no warmth anymore. Sasha separated herself from Anna and aliona to be BETTER than them and they know that. Sasha also did not want to share the spotlight with them and Alina anymore. She wants her own spotlight which is why her parents helped her make this decision. That's a choice that Sasha has to live withl and she will. This will drive her to be the best she can be and the best in the world. But aliona and Anna will be driven to to stop that from happening. As warm and sweet and nice as these girls are they are ferocious competitors with immense pride.

 

[Thrashergurl]

I feel for Sasha at this point. I don’t see it as her leaving because she wants to be better than her 2 teammates that she grew up with, but that she, herself, wants to be better. Skating has never been a team sport. It was always about one person winning the gold, and only one can. Sasha wants to be that one. That’s why all of these girls compete. It sounds like Sasha realized that if she stayed with Eteri she wouldn’t be given the time, programs, packaging that was needed. The 2 other girls have made statements that they don’t like being called the 3A. They are individuals, and each of them want the gold. It’s not about a team winning. It isn’t about the coach winning. It’s about being the best and that best skater winning.
Good luck to Sasha. It’ll be interesting to see what her new coach can do.

 

[Fried]

Nice post. I feel the same way you do and wonder about the relationship of the girls in the future. I think it will be like Alina and Zhenya where they say hello and are cordial to each other but there's no warmth anymore. Sasha separated herself from Anna and aliona to be BETTER than them and they know that. Sasha also did not want to share the spotlight with them and Alina anymore. She wants her own spotlight which is why her parents helped her make this decision. That's a choice that Sasha has to live withl and she will. This will drive her to be the best she can be and the best in the world. But aliona and Anna will be driven to to stop that from happening. As warm and sweet and nice as these girls are they are ferocious competitors with immense pride.

I think that's the most bizarre and absurd post on the subject so far.

 

[Edwin]

I think that's the most bizarre and absurd post on the subject so far.

Why so harsh? Scott's posting sums up quite well the possible motivation. All three skaters will know that things won't be the same anymore.

Much in their future relationships depends on the mind games the adults might want to start, will a rear rivalry be need to set up?

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

Not related to the situation with Sasha. But does anybody have an update on Sima? Will she continue to compete next season? Has there been anything interesting from her camp? I really like her and just hope every season that she decides to keep skating.

 

[Edwin]

Not related to the situation with Sasha. But does anybody have an update on Sima? Will she continue to compete next season? Has there been anything interesting from her camp? I really like her and just hope every season that she decides to keep skating.

No conclusions to be drawn from her social media? No response to a polite DM, she must be capable of basic English? As an adult skater, there is probably little intrigue that perhaps she might not want to disclose.

I think for many skaters 'on the brink' much depends on the coronavirus situation and how the Ministry of Sports will allocate money and resources, wether there will be affordable Challenger events, any international ISU events at all. So many uncertainties, and when higher education calls because of a scholarship or things like that, any skater her age must make choices.

 

[Fried]

Why so harsh? Scott's posting sums up quite well the possible motivation. All three skaters will know that things won't be the same anymore.

Much in their future relationships depends on the mind games the adults might want to start, will a rear rivalry be need to set up?

The claim that Sasha broke up with Anna and Alyona is nonsense and twists the actual context.
Sasha always wanted to be BETTER, just like Alyona and Anna - anything else would be ridiculous.
The claim that Sasha no longer wanted to be in the spotlight with Anna and Alyona also comes from a crazy fantasy. She certainly doesn't want to be in Alyona's and Anne's shadow when she gets the bronze medal put around her, but that's something completely different and completely understandable.
Finally, it must be made clear that the girls were "wild competitors" right from the start.
In short. The entire posting tries to distort reality.
Sasha wants to win Gold, no Silver, no Bronce, and if she feels that this goal is not a top priority for her coach (although this coach may be the best), then she tries to find a place where one better meet their needs. Even if she takes an immense risk.
But one shouldn't forget: If it really is that Rozanov came up to her, she had to be aware that if she didn't go, her problem would increase again. So basically she had no choice.