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Alexandra Trusova switching from Tutberidze to Plushenko

Can someone explain what Rukhin did when he worked in Eteri's camp? Was he mostly responsible for technique or artistry or dance?

Answered my own question. He is a jr man. I thought he was a coach.

Egor Rukhin was/is(?) a student there :)

If you’re talking about Sergei Rozanov, then from what I got from interviews, in their camp they try to have coaches who can do everything: jumps, choreo, SS.
Rozanov himself said, that Eteri said coaches need to be able to support students in many ways, so she challenged him to choreograph programs for pre-novices and novices, so that he would develop in that direction.
He also worked as a jump coach along with Sergej Dudakov, since both can work with harness.
He also works on SS I believe, but I’m not too sure.
All in all, he was mainly responsible for novices and worked closely with them, attended competitions with them, and trained other groups along with remaining coaches, when other coaches were on competitions.
 
I’m confused af.
I got this information from a girl who is a Swiss novice skater training in a Moscow school. I won’t expose any names yet but they are a good school that coach novice/junior girls with one especially successful nationally this season. Anyway, it’s the girls mom that runs her account and told me this and they know Rozanov And go to crystal sometimes
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I’m confused af.
I got this information from a girl who is a Swiss novice skater training in a Moscow school. I won’t expose any names yet but they are a good school that coach novice/junior girls with one especially successful nationally this season. Anyway, it’s the girls mom that runs her account and told me this and they know Rozanov And go to crystal sometimes
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It's not even confirmed yet. He may go there, he may be at Plushy's. He left in February, so did Rozanov. We probably won't find out until June. He seems like he would be a better match at Plushenko than Buyanova though.

Besides Plushy's Angel instagram acct doesn't even follow Rukhin, follows Kolesnikov though :popcorn:
 
I see it Plushcenko has no suitable choreograph for Sasha. "Looking for..." means they need to find a good one pretty soon.
Who'd dare to stay against The Grand Witch?

I don't believe her escape was a result of the gossips for which rink will be opened first.
Of course, if the Crystal Dome will be the last to open, the handicap may become enormous, too large to compensate. But I believe everyone will be allowed to return the same time.
 
So one leak has been discovered.

I understand all the flak Zheleznyakov received over his emotional outburst in defense of Tutberidze.

But Zheleznyakov is precise one of the very few persons with first hand knowledge of the 'temperature', 'atmosphere' and 'pressure' in Eteri Georgiyevna's group, and the many other groups he works with as dance teacher.

He told there was something brooding with Trusova and her parents being unhappy/dissatisfied over the coach-student relationship etc. and given how it panned out with disappointment on one side, his observations might very well be correct.

Anyways, the transfer has been made, the blame has been put on #TeamTutberidzeForProgress, more transfers likely will follow while the transfer window is still open (till May 15?). Money and promises obviously are lures some parents might find hard to resist. Plyushchenko often bragged he can buy whole teams if he wants ...

When ice reopens everybody needs to forget about their misery (real or perceived) and move full speed ahead in their new rinks.
 
Side note, I don't think I've seen this amount of blame/finger-pointing occur over coaching changes outside Russia... Maybe the most acrimonious high-profile split I recall was Kim-Orser. The VM-Zueva split was pretty diplomatic at least on surface.

All the drama and third-party speculation seems to be worse with the ladies than other disciplines for some reason - which is sad because in my experience young girls (and boys), as opposed to the older pairs and ice dancers, are the most vulnerable to this sort of psychological pressure. Hoping Trusova doesn't read the media much.
 
Side note, I don't think I've seen this amount of blame/finger-pointing occur over coaching changes outside Russia... Maybe the most acrimonious high-profile split I recall was Kim-Orser. The VM-Zueva split was pretty diplomatic at least on surface.

All the drama and third-party speculation seems to be worse with the ladies than other disciplines for some reason - which is sad because in my experience young girls (and boys), as opposed to the older pairs and ice dancers, are the most vulnerable to this sort of psychological pressure. Hoping Trusova doesn't read the media much.

I am puzzled by this as well. :scratch2:

Many many coaches, at least in North America, lose their "star" pupils to other coaches. Ones they have coached since five years old and taught everything they know and have been second parents to, etc. etc.

I have seen no one from the "original team" lash out at the skater, or their new team, or their parents, or whoever. If you can't bring yourself to say "Godspeed and good luck", then you keep your mouth shut.

And I firmly hope *no* skater ever reads social media. Unless it's for a laugh:biggrin:
 
Many many coaches, at least in North America, lose their "star" pupils to other coaches.

Sure. I don't remember any team Orser fans complaining about Stephen Gogolev's switch to Raf. Or about Orzel and Phan switching from their long-time coaches to Orser.

On the other hand, Stasya Konstantinova switching to Plushenko didn't cause such a noise. In fact maybe one poster commented it. So... the truth is only skaters coached by THE COACH are supposed not to switch to another coach. It's the rule very easy to remember :D
 
Sure. I don't remember any team Orser fans complaining about Stephen Gogolev's switch to Raf. Or about Orzel and Phan switching from their long-time coaches to Orser.

On the other hand, Stasya Konstantinova switching to Plushenko didn't cause such a noise. In fact maybe one poster commented it. So... the truth is only skaters coached by THE COACH are supposed not to switch to another coach. It's the rule very easy to remember :D

Or anytime a skater leaves THE COACH it's an opportunity for the comments attacking THE COACH and THE TEAM. No one can forget this simple rule ;)

Now seriously, this thread has 15 pages already, many other comments are in the RLT. And you can't say every single one (in fact no one here) said anything in the way that someone is not supposed to leave THE COACH, right?
 
If Trusova would have switched to a proper coach, either in Russia or to RAF or BOrser, the negative emotions would be far less. She is a child, one can hardly expect her to leave her brothers and pets to go train somewhere abroad all alone for 50 weeks a year. Perhaps at 17-18, but not yet at 15 (almost 16 though, but Aleksandra seems more childish in character compared to her former rink mates)

Plyushchenko is a manager first and at best, his coaching is so far limited to the children from the incrowd that can afford the Academy. And mostly seen in exuberant social media postings by the Academy.

Rozanov, Volkov and the other paid staff are trainers: http://angelsofplushenko.com/trenerskii-sostav.html. Would staff turnover be a good indication of working conditions, managerial appreciation and self realisation of the staff? Would be interesting to follow that staff.

The practical arrangements are yet unknown, who will actually be working with Trusova on skating skills, on choreography, on jumping? The Academy is not without capable staff obviously, and Volkov and the other paid specialists not without merit and experience. Managing her PR will most likely by Plyushchenko himself, but one should assume Mr Trusov is neither blind nor deaf, and will keep a close tab on all things concerning his daughter.

One might assume Volkov stays in charge over his current group, while Rozanov takes the poached, lured, Khrustalniy children, which are all very young still, apart from Aleksandra. Or those who are essentially Rozanov's pupils which whom Eteri Georgiyevna has little business. AFAIK, the Academy isn't too far from Khrustalniy, which doesn't make it harder for parents to deliver and pick up their children when they also live in the South of Moscow.

No doubt Plyushchenko wants to be seen with Trusova as much as possible (which leaves Konstantinova where, unceremoniously dumped by the sidelines or shifted off to some show troupe?)

I do stand with my observation that Aleksandra likes exclusive attention towards herself, which she can exploit for herself too obviously, if she and her parents plays some clever games themselves.

Also, I think one shouldn't underestimate the lure on certain parents of mixing with the 'beau monde' surrounding the Plyushchenko family, 'who want to belong' and to look down on the common raffle.

The whole unfolding of this (drama?), will be most interesting to follow from the sociological, psychological, emotional and human aspects. Russian figure skating has never been so exciting and controversial before ;-)

And of course actual competition is good, division of politics, fractioning of power too.
 
I was quite curious about how/if Stasya would improve. Now, I'm not sure I want to know... :sad46:
 
Or anytime a skater leaves THE COACH it's an opportunity for the comments attacking THE COACH and THE TEAM. No one can forget this simple rule ;)

I'm sure you're wrong. Just go back to the beginning of this thread and see how many posters are actually attacking THE COACH, and especially THE TEAM.

Now seriously, this thread has 15 pages already, many other comments are in the RLT. And you can't say every single one (in fact no one here) said anything in the way that someone is not supposed to leave THE COACH, right?

No one? I'm sorry to say it, but I've read posts here I wish I could forget as a FS fan.
 
I'm sure you're wrong. Just go back to the beginning of this thread and see how many posters are actually attacking THE COACH, and especially THE TEAM.



No one? I'm sorry to say it, but I've read posts here I wish I could forget as a FS fan.

Do not mischange two things:
1. People who would say "you are not suppose to leave Eteri"
2. People saying "I'm not sure about going precisely to Plushenko/I think it's not good decision to go to Plushenko".

The first variant didn't happen here, while I myself claim the allegiance to the second group. I think Plushenko is a a bad choice, not forbidden choice. I can be proven wrong, that's the risk anytime when someone speaks his opinion directly with no evasions.
 
Sure. I don't remember any team Orser fans complaining about Stephen Gogolev's switch to Raf. Or about Orzel and Phan switching from their long-time coaches to Orser.

On the other hand, Stasya Konstantinova switching to Plushenko didn't cause such a noise. In fact maybe one poster commented it. So... the truth is only skaters coached by THE COACH are supposed not to switch to another coach. It's the rule very easy to remember :D

Nobody expects anything from Stasya, especially at this point of her career. She can't become any worse and she isn't even part of the reserve team any more. For sure, Orzel and Phan are hardly on anyone's radar.

I do think that a segment of fans thrive on drama, conspiracy theories, and chaos when it comes to the perceived top skaters. And some coaches and their teams play directly into those hands. BOrser has those who criticize him like everyone else, but for the most part, he keeps his cool and stays professional, so there's not as much to work with.

Russian sports media actually cares about figure skating, and hardly anyone in North America does. Besides that, the North American skaters and coaches seem to be more media-trained in general. So we get all these candid and lengthy unfiltered interviews with everyone and their dog from Russia, for better and for worse. And the fanbase seizes on everything like a dog with a bone.
 
I don't find it mind-boggling at all. In one season she went from being #1 (junior) in the world to being #3 (senior) at her own rink.

Did she want "out," or did she want a fresh start?

Or did she get promised money? Whatever it is its okay. Shocking but okay. Sasha won it all until she started being slightly less consistent. Thats on her and mother nature. Getting taller is hard for a figure skater. Then Anna and Aliona passed her by by just a little bit. Not the end of the world. But it was to team Trusova.
 
Or did she get promised money?

I am frankly discouraged and saddened by all these post suggesting that Mr. Trusov is a money-grubbing crook with his hand out for a bribe, and therefore shame on Sasha and isn't it awful how everyone is mistreating poor Eteri, the victim in all this.

We don't know what we don't know. IMHO it is not helpful to speculate about sinister motives.

Skating-wise, Alexandra will be fine -- or she won't. Switching coaches is not a character flaw.
 
Nobody expects anything from Stasya, especially at this point of her career. She can't become any worse and she isn't even part of the reserve team any more. For sure, Orzel and Phan are hardly on anyone's radar.

I do think that a segment of fans thrive on drama, conspiracy theories, and chaos when it comes to the perceived top skaters. And some coaches and their teams play directly into those hands. BOrser has those who criticize him like everyone else, but for the most part, he keeps his cool and stays professional, so there's not as much to work with.

Russian sports media actually cares about figure skating, and hardly anyone in North America does. Besides that, the North American skaters and coaches seem to be more media-trained in general. So we get all these candid and lengthy unfiltered interviews with everyone and their dog from Russia, for better and for worse. And the fanbase seizes on everything like a dog with a bone.

She is only one slot out of the top 24 though, so if they hold the GP, and those above her retire, wouldn't she be slotted in as an alternate?
 
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