Alexandra Trusova switching from Tutberidze to Plushenko

[ruga]

Yet...

https://vk.com/id235898828
Profile deleted, not suspended.

Anyway, Kostornaya, Valieva and Usacheva are more than enough for time being for the Chrystal Dome to survive.

The message felt like fan fiction a bit. And I don't believe the news agencies wouldn't find out before Anna officially announced it. Maybe she deleted it because there was no other way to deal with hacker? But on the other hand, it seems like a lot of effort to break in skater's profile and announce something that could be denied straight away.

 

[Edwin]

LOL, do you really think calm and composed academics like the Shcherbakov's fall for Plyushchenko's luring? I would be most surprised if they think the imaginary rewards and improvements Plyushchenko might provide will benefit Anna.

Or Alyona, both girls don't seem the kind that would envision themselves in a career of professional skating shows after their run up to the 2022 Olympics.

Unlike Aleksandra, who I think might see this a part of her future, and who could be a real star and crown asset when developed and marketed properly. She has it all, charisma, character, spectacle, she could be a great ice star. Her dad is a businessman, he might have taken this already under consideration.

Plyushchenko apparently likes running his mouth in public, with amoral attacks on the system that made him great, and toxic attacks on other schools, people, and probably soon parents of skaters. As a skater he didn't back down in any fight over medals, but as a manager he might need to change his attitude, figure skating with children and young adolescents isn't like no rules cage fighting. I doubt any parent will enjoy his kind of talking and media antics when their child is concerned.

Seems like Sport Express' Dmitry Kuznetsov is enjoying the spectacle with glee, keeping this transfer tally, he has been observed rinkside of late, sucking up to Plyushchenko. Of course, yellow pages are best served by Plyushchenko.

 

[plushyfan]

Plyushchenko didn't bother when Sima had to live in a not-so-good conditions which clearly affected her mental state

Well

Sima: She trained there for one season. She was in trouble she had problems with the family. She started to train there with injury , Plushenko payed her medical treatment and hausing in Moscow. When they learned Sima received a spot in the US GP, in Lake Placid Plushenko postponed some shows in Slovakia. Otherwise we could see the shows in his schedule before Sima arrived to the Academy. Probably many posters remember this. Plushenko had visa to US solely. He and Zakarian run from the small slovakien cities to Bratislava, after Bratislava to Moscow and form Moscow to US and then they travelled by car to Lake Placid. And all of these under 1 day. She improved in jumps especially in Axel. But Sima was all alone in Moscow she was the only one senior in the school, in the group and she missed her family so much. She left the Academy.

Yes, Plushenko was too honest when she moved from him. You can criticize him because of that but do not take from him what is well done what he did for Sima. He helped her and probably Plushenko has feelings too. If Sima would have been so offended didn't recommend the Academy to Tarakanova. She was. LOL!

 

[anonymoose_au]

Quite so. This whole thread has become a Plushenko bash party, full of rumors and pretensions on the part of posters to have some sort of inside knowledge (never specified), or such deep psychological insight that they can read people's minds and uncover their darkest thoughts and most evil intentions.

The whole place has become a Plushy hate-zone, so far this week he has been accused of:

Being a fake coach
Bribery
Bad-mouthing others for no reason (I guess having your hard-work spat on doesn't count)
Being a media ho
Rubbing everyone's noses in his wealth (Oh no, he posted a video of his garden, what a jerk!)
Stealing students (as if he went in and kidnapped them)
Having a horrible wife
Ruining Sima's and Nastya's careers (forgetting that Sima was just about to quit anyway)

I mean wow, has any other coach received such vitriol with hardly a peep? Suggest Eteri might not have the best coaching techniques and you get your head bitten off. But say whatever you'd like about Plushy. Maybe I'll suggest he goes around poisoning puppies and kittens or causing Corona virus!


Nice.

 

[flanker]

The whole place has become a Plushy hate-zone, so far this week he has been accused of:

Being a fake coach
Bribery
Bad-mouthing others for no reason (I guess having your hard-work spat on doesn't count)
Being a media ho
Rubbing everyone's noses in his wealth (Oh no, he posted a video of his garden, what a jerk!)
Stealing students (as if he went in and kidnapped them)
Having a horrible wife
Ruining Sima's and Nastya's careers (forgetting that Sima was just about to quit anyway)

I mean wow, has any other coach received such vitriol with hardly a peep! Suggest Eteri might not have the best coaching techniques and you get your head bitten off.

Nice.

Eteri at least teaches technique

 

[plushyfan]

LOL, do you really think calm and composed academics like the Shcherbakov's fall for Plyushchenko's luring? I would be most surprised if they think the imaginary rewards and improvements Plyushchenko might provide will benefit Anna. Or Alyona, both girls don't seem the kind that would envision a career in professional skating shows, unlike Aleksandra, who I think might see this, and who could be a real star and asset when developed and marketed properly.

Plyushchenko apparently likes running his mouth in public, with amoral attacks on the system that made him great, and toxic attacks on other schools. As a skater he didn't back down in any fight over medals, but as a manager he might need to change his attitude, figure skating with children and young adolescents isn't like no rules cage fighting.

Seems like Sport Express' Dmitry Kuznetsov is enjoying the spectacle with glee, he has been observed sucking up to Plyushchenko of late. Of course, yellow pages are better served by Plyushchenko's profile in this particular kind of media.

Jesus! Plushenko gave an intervew some days ago and he is quiet since that. Don't you notice only some posters care about your tellers? You became more and more ridiculous. And you wil be more and more discredited in this matter.

 

[plushyfan]

The whole place has become a Plushy hate-zone, so far this week he has been accused of:

Being a fake coach
Bribery
Bad-mouthing others for no reason (I guess having your hard-work spat on doesn't count)
Being a media ho
Rubbing everyone's noses in his wealth (Oh no, he posted a video of his garden, what a jerk!)
Stealing students (as if he went in and kidnapped them)
Having a horrible wife
Ruining Sima's and Nastya's careers (forgetting that Sima was just about to quit anyway)

I mean wow, has any other coach received such vitriol with hardly a peep? Suggest Eteri might not have the best coaching techniques and you get your head bitten off. But say whatever you'd like about Plushy. Maybe I'll suggest he goes around poisoning puppies and kittens or causing Corona virus!


Nice.

No matter. Plushenko will be succesful. Sure. Can you imagine what will happen???? Otherwise TSL fell in love with Yana Rudkovskaya.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Eteri at least teaches technique

Funny. Let's add that to the pile.

I hope with all my heart Plushy becomes the best coach in Russia and makes all of you eat your horrible, sneering words.

Guess I'm gonna have to ignore this thread too.

 

[plushyfan]

Funny. Let's add that to the pile.

I hope with all my heart Plushy becomes the best coach in Russia and makes all of you eat your horrible, sneering words.

Guess I'm gonna have to ignore this thread too.

No, please, no! This can be funny if you know the truths. I was angry some days ago but I'm having fun now.

 

[Arbitrary]

Yet...

https://vk.com/id235898828
Profile deleted, not suspended.

Anyway, Kostornaya, Valieva and Usacheva are more than enough for time being for the Chrystal Dome to survive.

Hack confirmed officially. Scherbakova didn't leave Tutberidze.

 

[flanker]

Funny. Let's add that to the pile.

I hope with all my heart Plushy becomes the best coach in Russia and makes all of you eat your horrible, sneering words.

Guess I'm gonna have to ignore this thread too.

I truly don't understand, why you expect that a person, who, completely unprovoked, accused all the other coaches of corruption, should deserve any respect. Some of you blame people of being too uncritical towards Eteri. Maybe. But aren't you too uncritical towards him as well?

Can it turn he will become respectable from the point of what his academy would learn the students? Maybe, in the future.

But that I don't respect him as a person because of what he himself did and said, that doesn't have much in common with the fact that Sasha came to him.

 

[plushyfan]

I truly don't understand, why you expect that a person, who, completely unprovoked, accused all the other coaches of corruption, should deserve any respect.

Show me this with facts.

Can it turn he will become respectable from the point of what his academy would learn the students? Maybe, in the future.

Would it be better if he didn't open the academy? That is a lots of work, right? Everyone receives patience except him

But that I don't respect him as a person because of what he himself did and said, that doesn't have much in common with the fact that Sasha came to him.

You have rigths. But try to obtain real informations, too, and don't use double standard.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

I'm not sure if I like Plushenko as a person or a coach yet.
But I won't judge until a few years down the line if he is a good coach. Even then it might need more time to tell.

I personally prefer other coaches, however I am all for breaking the Tutberetzi monopoly - and if Plushenko is the one to bring that change then he has my full support.

 

[plushyfan]

I'm not sure if I like Plushenko as a person or a coach yet.
But I won't judge until a few years down the line if he is a good coach. Even then it might need more time to tell.
I personally prefer other coaches, however I am all for breaking the Tutberetzi monopoly - and if Plushenko is the one to bring that change then he has my full support.

No one wants more from you or from anybody. This is correct and reasonable.

 

[flanker]

Show me this with facts.



Would it be better if he didn't open the academy? That is a lots of work, right? Everyone receives patience except him



You have rigths. But try to obtain real informations, too, and don't use double standard.

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1083497412.html

"If you don’t bring it in an envelope (he means: to the state coach), you won’t get anywhere."

This was widely discussed here already, you can't be surprised. Are those a respectful, unbiased words towards the colleagues? I don't think so. I think those are aggressive, biased, hostile words.

Not to mention his hints about "how big share of the earn is taken away from skaters (Alina and even Zhenya ). Did he had some secret talks with their teams about the details of their contracts? I doubt about it.

Eteri maybe plays hard, but I've never seen her start such clash at any occasion. Anytime she said something about Plushenko, it was a reaction to what he said. Anytime when rules have changed (and many people publicly started talks about "this will be hard for her school" like with the "Zagitova Rule"), she has never made any comment. When she announced Sasha's leaving, tons of hateful comments apeared on her personal instagram (GS doesn't exist in vacuum, of course people are influenced by what is said elsewhere). People here also make ironic comments like "did she receive flowers" etc. It's not that they shouldn't be allowed to say such things, but the situation is not that "hordes of Eteri's worshippers are attacking innocent Plushyfans. The imagination that only Eteri or her fans are creating drama is simply not true.

 

[flanker]

I'm not sure if I like Plushenko as a person or a coach yet.
But I won't judge until a few years down the line if he is a good coach. Even then it might need more time to tell.

I personally prefer other coaches, however I am all for breaking the Tutberetzi monopoly - and if Plushenko is the one to bring that change then he has my full support.

One should point out that Eteri doesn't have monopoly of the kind Irina Viner has. It was already mentioned here by others. She doesn't own figure skating, she has only what she has built by herself and her team. The fact that her team is gaining more successes than all the other russian teams combined is not a crime, although many people obviously consider it so.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

One should point out that Eteri doesn't have monopoly of the kind Irina Viner has. It was already mentioned here by others. She doesn't own figure skating, she has only what she has built by herself and her team. The fact that her team is gaining more successes than all the other russian teams combined is not a crime, although many people obviously consider it so.

She doesn't own figure skating. But she is currently the only option for female skaters in Russia if they want to succeed.
This might well be that she has the best team - In fact this is probably true - and if this is the case I respect her, but also want it that there are other teams that are very competitive with her: Whether this comes in the form of Plushenko or not, I don't mind. I want there to be options for female figure skaters who want to succeed, but may not fit with Eteri's team.

 

[plushyfan]

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1083497412.html

"If you don’t bring it in an envelope (he means: to the state coach), you won’t get anywhere."

And ? Do you know that isn't true? Probably he has informations. Otherwise we are talking about Russia but we can talk about my country. There are many football clubs where the coaches let play those children whose parents give money to the coach. This is a well-known fact, even among children. It is true, I meet such children who know this.

What is the greater problem if this is true, or Plushenko openly talked about it? He didn't name anyobody.

This was widely discussed here already, you can't be surprised. Are those a respectful, unbiased words towards the colleagues? I don't think so. I think those are aggressive, biased, hostile words.

Not to mention his hints about "how big share of the earn is taken away from skaters (Alina and even Zhenya ). Did he had some secret talks with their teams about the details of their contracts? I doubt about it.

Those are not secret informations. I have seen their incomes in the Russian Forbes's page. LOL! And why is that so terrible thing if he wants more money for them if there is a chance for it? Probably there are better agents.

Eteri maybe plays hard, but I've never seen her start such clash at any occasion. Anytime she said something about Plushenko, it was a reaction to what he said. Anytime when rules have changed (and many people publicly started talks about "this will be hard for her school" like with the "Zagitova Rule"), she has never made any comment. When she announced Sasha's leaving, tons of hateful comments apeared on her personal instagram (GS doesn't exist in vacuum, of course people are influenced by what is said elsewhere). People here also make ironic comments like "did she receive flowers" etc. It's not that they shouldn't be allowed to say such things, but the situation is not that "hordes of Eteri's worshippers are attacking innocent Plushyfans. The imagination that only Eteri or her fans are creating drama is simply not true.

You have rigth to think that.

 

[flanker]

She doesn't own figure skating. But she is currently the only option for female skaters in Russia if they want to succeed.
This might well be that she has the best team - In fact this is probably true - and if this is the case I respect her, but also want it that there are other teams that are very competitive with her: Whether this comes in the form of Plushenko or not, I don't mind. I want there to be options for female figure skaters who want to succeed, but may not fit with Eteri's team.

You can find my own older posts where I say that there should be other strong team delivering champions in Russia. Whether it is Davydov, Panova or even Plushenko I don't care. But that the reality in which "she is currently the only option" is somehow taken as her fault is not acceptable. It's not that she takes champions from others, it's not that judges in Russia are more benevolent to her and that's why her students qualify for international competitions. Her school has success because they teach tem better. She (her team) develops skaters they accept usually in very young age. Alina being accepted at the age of 13 is more a rarity and Lilbet accepted at 19 is completely lonely , apart from skaters trained fom the beginnings they usually start to to work with the skaters at the age of 9-12. Most of the accepted skaters didn't see much success before (so no accepting already proven champions) and all of them came from their own (or parents ) iniciative. So also no "poaching", that looks different.

Truly I can't see how her success could be credited to something else than work and undeniable talent of Eteri to see a potential in a skater asking for acceptance. You at least write "This might well be that she has the best team - In fact this is probably true", but IMO most of the others aren't so benevolent.

Even I can agree that Eteri sometimes behaves like a person with a wounded pride, but considering the circumstances if this is the worst she can be blamed of, I think I can value her credit pretty hgh.

 

[flanker]

And ? Do you know that isn't true? Probably he has informations. Otherwise we are talking about Russia but we can talk about my country. There are many football clubs where the coaches let play those children whose parents give money to the coach. This is a well-known fact, even among children. It is true, I meet such children who know this.

What is the greater problem if this is true, or Plushenko openly talked about it? He didn't name anyoby.

Those are not secret informations. I have seen their income in the Russian Forbes page. LOL! And why is that so terrible thing if he wants more money for them if there is a chance for it? Probably there afe better agents.

You have rigth to think that.

This is precisely the reaction I was expecting. He blames someone? He has secret informations, you can't say he isn't true... First phase: "I want proof he said that" (denial). Second phase: "He may said that but he wouldn't say that if that wasn't true" (racionalization). So, he can blame anyone and those aren't even allowed to defend or be defended.