That part is questionable to say the least
It was hard to watch her jumping it this season
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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That part is questionable to say the least
It was hard to watch her jumping it this season
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So my understanding is they are not all taller than Sasha? And it is very clear triple axel is different than quads. Sasha struggles with this element but can land quads. Aliona is the opposite. There is much more evidence that ladies can maintain triple axel as adults. I’m guessing that quads rely on rotation speed (which may be more influenced by weight and body type) and triple axel may relay more on strength for achieving height which can be maintained or even increased in adulthood.
We just don’t know enough about the lasting power of quads in ladies because Sasha has really been the first.
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But when she started landing it though! That thing was a monster! I never thought I would see her jump an axel like that. She has stabilised it now though. Even this example from worlds where she was injured shows a big improvement. https://youtu.be/ar0X4lJg3TQ
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What have you watched the same 2a of zhenya as I? She has a much better 2a now than before, it's bigger and she goes in with more speed then before.
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Other than Ito they are all taller I’m pretty certain. They were definitely more ‘mature’ when they were competing. I think Harding might be the same height.
I mean I made a whole post addressing it. I’m not sure what else to add. There are women who have went before that model it is possible and even they were not as capable at such an early age.
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Whole history of ladies quad till 2019, BTW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kboj5TYb7xw
Apart from the only ratified quad landed by Miki Ando (though clearly UR) and some attempts more or less close to success by Bonaly and Sasha Cohen the quad era was truly started by Sasha and her (now former) teammates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kboj5TYb7xw
Apart from the only ratified quad landed by Miki Ando (though clearly UR) and some attempts more or less close to success by Bonaly and Sasha Cohen the quad era was truly started by Sasha and her (now former) teammates.
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Thanks for sharing this! Yeah that’s what I’m saying. If they are already this far ahead from where more ‘mature’ skaters were I’m pretty certain Sasha will do quite well and her growing shouldn’t be a concern.
Well I can see where some might find it a bit scandalous I think the more accurate word is probably shocking - Trusova didn't exactly have a disaster season, and she left the coach that is probably the winning-est coach in the last 6 years for a coach with a very limited record in coaching and the record he does have at this point isn't all that successful past the novice level.
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Evgenia's 2A has improved leaps and bounds under Brian, there are many comparison videos out there if you need a refresher.
she doesn't slow down before stepping into the jump like she used to, she uses more legs and less upper body, she gets a much better launch off her pick, and her back is straight instead of hunched going into it.
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You have to start somewhere though, and Sofia Titova's success is nothing to sneeze at. She's the Novice Champion over the Sambo 70 girls, who seemed unbeatable.
Plushy's Academy has a lot of good resources, they have a full-sized rink and a team of trainers, some of them with lots of experience. It's not just Plushy coaching out of his garage or something, it's a serious facility with hardworking people in it.
It seems like people, Eteri in particular seem to forget they were once new coaches too, where would they be if no-one have them a chance?
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Not girls, but girl, Lyubov Rubtsova, who is one season with Eteri. At the age of around 9-11 nothing can be said for sure about the future of the skater. Not that Titova's victory in the younger novice category means nothing, but it also doesn't mean much. Esp. when you consider for one team "not winning" in one category a significant blow, while for other just winning in one category should be considered somehow huge thing and probably turning point
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The most urgent and apparently important thing for Plyushchenko to do with Titova was bragging 'we've beaten the Khrustalniy', instead of praising Titova for her commitment, perseverance and competitive strength.
After all, it's the athlete that is doing the actual competing, Plyushchenko the 'coach' was only jumping up and down behind the boards, orchestrating a show for his clientele and self promotion in the media Rudkovskaya is associated with.
The greater importance at stake here is the battle between state schools and private academies for supremacy. Using a 10 year old sweet little girl that was raised to this level in Khrustalniy seems indecent to me and lots of others. Now, if Plyushchenko raised a team of these wealthy kids to athletes the level of Titova, he will get praised because or when praise is due.
Because training little kids is a lot of work, you have to train them daily, and not only in show off dance lessons for the consumption in his social media. It takes time and commitment, and when you have lots of other business, family and social interests, there simply isn't sufficient time. #TeamTutberidzeForProgress' staff spends 60 hours at the rink each week probably. They too love their jobs, but have a different kind of dedication and do their work mostly silently.
There is a capable team of staff working at the Academy who do 95% of the work with the 120 or so kids enrolled, and perhaps will never get the recognition they deserve, because their master reserves all the credit for himself.
After all, it's the athlete that is doing the actual competing, Plyushchenko the 'coach' was only jumping up and down behind the boards, orchestrating a show for his clientele and self promotion in the media Rudkovskaya is associated with.
The greater importance at stake here is the battle between state schools and private academies for supremacy. Using a 10 year old sweet little girl that was raised to this level in Khrustalniy seems indecent to me and lots of others. Now, if Plyushchenko raised a team of these wealthy kids to athletes the level of Titova, he will get praised because or when praise is due.
Because training little kids is a lot of work, you have to train them daily, and not only in show off dance lessons for the consumption in his social media. It takes time and commitment, and when you have lots of other business, family and social interests, there simply isn't sufficient time. #TeamTutberidzeForProgress' staff spends 60 hours at the rink each week probably. They too love their jobs, but have a different kind of dedication and do their work mostly silently.
There is a capable team of staff working at the Academy who do 95% of the work with the 120 or so kids enrolled, and perhaps will never get the recognition they deserve, because their master reserves all the credit for himself.
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Also, folks harping on about Sofia's win usually forget to mention that she lost in all three stages in that tournament (in elements, SP and FP) to other girls.Not that Titova's victory in the younger novice category means nothing, but it also doesn't mean much. Esp. when you consider for one team "not winning" in one category a significant blow, while for other just winning in one category should be considered somehow huge thing and probably turning point
Of course, winning in the end by points is what counts; that doesn't make her the one that bested everyone else since she didn't.
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Also, folks harping on about Sofia's win usually forget to mention that she lost in all three stages in that tournament (in elements, SP and FP) to other girls.
And when you start talking about 'envelopes', any judging decision immediately gets suspicious, esp since Plyushchenko's man Volkov was a very partial judge.
But the other girls made more mistakes in the final IIRC, so lost on points.
Coming novice season will be most interesting, with Veronika Zhilina now in #TeamHotRodRozanov ;-)
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I presume Veronika will also compete in the junior category in russian domestic competitions next season (still assuming the season will take place normally
). She will meet e.g. Sofia Akatieva and they should both start competing internationally in juniors at the same time (season 2021/2022). That will be interesting.
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Are you accusing Plushenko of bribery? Because I'm pretty sure you are. In which case, you should take your evidence to the relevant authorities. If you have no evidence you should stop suggesting it.
I'm not exactly sure what Plushy ever did to you but you seem to really hate him.
For your information when he's at the Academy, which is a lot of the time he's there from 6am to 6pm, how many hours do you work a day?
And do you think putting together those end of year shows is easy? And of all the things to bash Plushy about, putting on amazing, spectacular figure skating shows? I'm not sure where you live, but here in Australia I'd love to be able to see something like that.
Honestly, I think Plushy could save 50 orphans from a burning building and you'd still have something horrible to say about him.
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And why didn't you ask for evidence when Plushenko accused everyone but himself of corruption? What I heard in response was "everybody knows that"
I personally don't think there was a corruption in the sense of money, though the very fact that Volkov is one of the judges simply doesn't seem right to me.
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One can never be certain of money being passed under the table in judged sports, skating, gymnastics, dance, any judged sport with subjectivity. There are examples to be found in the annals.
Until somebody breaks the 'omerta' and testifies, it remains with rumours and suspicions. There is sometimes indirect evidence to be found in comparing judging results, because it has be done covertly, without getting your scores thrown out. But this still very subtle.
Usually is it more like 'a favour for a favour', which can be anything like a discount for the next summer training camp on the Black Sea coast for this judge/coach's group.
Until somebody breaks the 'omerta' and testifies, it remains with rumours and suspicions. There is sometimes indirect evidence to be found in comparing judging results, because it has be done covertly, without getting your scores thrown out. But this still very subtle.
Usually is it more like 'a favour for a favour', which can be anything like a discount for the next summer training camp on the Black Sea coast for this judge/coach's group.
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well, it was not Pluschenko that stared the media war. On the contrary, it was the other side that after the news came up started calling Trusova traitor, making statements that nobody so far succeeded with Pluschenko, belittle, etc, etc......He just responded in the same manner.
In my opinion, the athletes are not slaves, they have the right to change coaches and clubs and for such moves there are always reasons.
Yes, so far no significant success of Pluschenko as a trainer, but this is a young club and there is nothing wrong to be ambitious.
So lets wish him and Sasha success
In my opinion, the athletes are not slaves, they have the right to change coaches and clubs and for such moves there are always reasons.
Yes, so far no significant success of Pluschenko as a trainer, but this is a young club and there is nothing wrong to be ambitious.
So lets wish him and Sasha success
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well, it was not Pluschenko that stared the media war. On the contrary, it was the other side that after the news came up started calling Trusova traitor, making statements that nobody so far succeeded with Pluschenko, belittle, etc, etc......He just responded in the same manner.
In my opinion, the athletes are not slaves, they have the right to change coaches and clubs and for such moves there are always reasons.
Yes, so far no significant success of Pluschenko as a trainer, but this is a young club and there is nothing wrong to be ambitious.
So lets wish him and Sasha success
It's like saying that WWII was started by the invasion to Normandy. The "media war", as you call it, didn't start now, and wasn't started by "the other side". There was hardly any comment before the december from "the other side".
It sould be also said that I'm not defending the words of Layshev.
