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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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Is "I believe" worth more than a rumour? I do not think so. Doesn't the internet spit out anything?
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Not really, but from her social media and new youtube channel it seems that she is doing well. She should get a grand prix spot next season, especially if Zagitova withdraws.
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Actual former skaters usually speak highly of Eteri, Shuboderova is the only real exception. But of cource, if someone filters the information through the "Eteri controls media" narrative, then it is hard to get to any reasonable agreement. Previously when Polina Shelepen spoke highly of eteri, she was blamed of Stockholm syndrome here. Now the delusion obviously reached anoter level with alleged "Eteri controlling the media".
As for Vaitsekovskaia, she was talking BS definitely not just about Eteri. She was the exact opposite of what a journalist should be.
As for you bringing Medvedeva vs. Tuktamysheva here, like seriously? It has no other sense than to make the RLT nothing but the conflict zone. Useless :dumb:
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To make it short, your general question in the context of how this thread is developing through the last days is like:
A: "Eteri did 1, 2, 3."
B: "Eteri didn't do 1, 2, 3."
c: "B, why are you assuming that Plushenko is a bad coach?"
Downloaded it by torrent. Very good movie, life drama of a single father and even if figure skating issues are a bit simplified in there, it's still showing great love of a young girl to this beautiful sport. Fs scene and fandom should be grateful for such beautiful film imo.I've even seen the first movie. From the sport point it was crap but as a romantic film it wasn't bad.
I've found out about the movie thanks to Ice Age Kids, where Ovsyankina&Orechov skated to the music from it (with Averbukh's choreo) and Tarasova then used her time to tell the world how bad the movie is
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I am half/half with him. I think that it is great that he started his own academy to help kids learn skating and to give them the opportunity to get instruction from himself. I think that his academy’s work with Serafima and Nastya T was pretty good. I don’t like what he said about Nastya T after she left though. I think that it was very unnecessary and uncalled for.
Actual former skaters usually speak highly of Eteri, Shuboderova is the only real exception. But of cource, if someone filters the information through the "Eteri controls media" narrative, then it is hard to get to any reasonable agreement. Previously when Polina Shelepen spoke highly of eteri, she was blamed of Stockholm syndrome here. Now the delusion obviously reached anoter level with alleged "Eteri controlling the media".
As for Vaitsekovskaia, she was talking BS definitely not just about Eteri. She was the exact opposite of what a journalist should be.
As for you bringing Medvedeva vs. Tuktamysheva here, like seriously? It has no other sense than to make the RLT nothing but the conflict zone. Useless :dumb:
Not from me that's for sure, you can find my positive comments on Eteri Tutberidze's work from previous seasons and her former skaters, the results they achieved are unquestionable, while the system in place in order to achieve them, that's more debatable whether is good or bad for the sport... In recent years other users like Edwin have kept us up to date on all things Sambo70 so i don't find the need to mention the other interviews, but i'm not pretending they don't exist.
I also do remember what Tarakanova and Tsurskaya said on hiding injuries at Sambo70, you can read along the lines on some of those interviews and articles, as much as everything is often scripted, and that's a known fact in figure skating in general.
While i don't fully agree with everything Vaitsekovskaia said in the past, there was also some truth in there, i think Eteri fans should respect her takes more even without agreeing with her cause it's a different perspective, you need that as well. She called out back in the Lipnitskaya-Shelepen days the main flaw of ET system, that their skaters only shine pre-puberty, and predicted Medvedeva and Tsurskaya would have fallen under the same trajectory, which we all know it was going to happen with Medvedeva and it happened with Tsurskaya.
To this day many ET fans still refuse to believe that, even though it's a clear trend now.
No problem bringing up the whole Medvedeva - Tuktamysheva vote, i like both, and was happy for Zhenya when she medalled at Worlds, but i still think Tuktamysheva should have been there, and judging at that Cup Final event was debatable to say the least. The votes after clearly showed where that council stands.
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Downloaded it by torrent. Very good movie, life drama of a single father and even if figure skating issues are a bit simplified in there, it's still showing great love of a young girl to this beautiful sport. Fs scene and fandom should be grateful for such beautiful film imo.
Hooray for a different topic. Thank you for the recommendation :agree:
Now I'll have to find the subtitles
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Can you provide a quote from any of those interviews that might warrant an investigation, please? And with facts, if possible.
Do you have any factual evidence that Vaitsekhovskaya was fired because Eteri insisted on that, as you claim?
And what would've been Tutberidze's gain in pushing that decision? Both were competitors to the skaters in her group.
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? Uhm, she was fired after that interview with a misquote came out, wasn't she?
Unfortunately, there are only Russian ones atm.Hooray for a different topic. Thank you for the recommendation :agree:
Now I'll have to find the subtitles
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My question was sincere. I don't know the interview or the correction. So I asked for a link.
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For the sport, yeah, so actually not for the skaters. It's so wide that it could be "the ultimate question of life, universe and everything" easily. You can put absolutely anything into the agenda of what's good or bad for sport. It's like when a politian explains to the people what is and what isn't good for the country. And it's similarly useless. Also I don't like those hidden suggestions of the kind "it is a question whether xy..." that look like a question but in fact push the answer. It's logical fallacy.
Vaitsekovskaia has zero respect from me for whatever I've ever read from her. It's not just different perspective, it's different reality.
Trajectory. Tsurskaya's trajectory was that she didn't want to compete. and I don't think compete in the environment of Khrustalnyi, but to compete at all. She simply wanted to do other things in life, that has nothing to do with Eteri or any other coach. Evgenia. Her trajectory was silver at olympic games (is that a small accomplishment?) not because of "descending trajectory", but because she was defeated by her teammate with stronger technical content. And we could continue with every single so called trajectory. So called trajectory is nothing more but fabricated term.
I've already mentioned plenty of examples, you already said you consider all those interviews you don't like as rumors, so why bother really, like i said that discussion ended there for me. The other reason is that they go after articles, there are canceled already so i don't even want to make someone's job easier (for a practice i despise, censoring).
The other question is ridiculous, since those things don't go public, but all parts involved know, Vait sort of described the way it happened on her interview on TSL.
Well if you ask for my personal direct opinion i think this is bad for both athletes and sport, but extremely effective. Like i said, the results are undeniable, what these skaters achieved, is all deserved. The coaching work is commendable.
But how can you base a figure skating career on only 1 season in seniors as many of these girls do? These people base their entire lives on that. Not only that cause the group is so big now, there are dozens and dozens of skaters that don't even have the chance to even debut in juniors, they get trashed earlier, if they can't train at that intensity despite being so young and show result in a matter of weeks. How many other Polina Shuboderova are out there you don't even know? Obviously you can ask the same for other rinks and that's a fair question.
How healthy is to push a 40 kg teenager over the limits, not eating, hiding injuries but still doing quads when quads are already dangerous for grown up men with a far more developed and muscular body. This without mentioning the mental aspect of dealing that level of training, with that intensity at the age of 10-15.
Figure skating should make athletes stronger, not weaker or even worse, ruined. The funny part is that you all think Eteri is the victim here.
For what then? These quads are not even done with the proper take off, often wrong edge and massive prerotation. You're forcing a bad but consistent technique that won't even last. Artistically don't improve much over the years, they never build a range because the career is extremely short and they all have a very similar packaging.
Is that pushing the sport forward? i don't think so.
There are many red flags we all (ISU included) just look the other way and pretend they don't exist but they do.
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Can’t we just agree to disagree on our opinions of Eteri. :sarcasm:
Who do you guys think will get invited to test skates this year? Will it be the main national team or will they invite the reserve team this year too? This can be for both junior and senior skaters. This is also assuming test skates will still happen.
Who do you guys think will get invited to test skates this year? Will it be the main national team or will they invite the reserve team this year too? This can be for both junior and senior skaters. This is also assuming test skates will still happen.
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How many usually get invited? LAst year I remember 9 with Tarusina pulling out, and 8 for seniors.
Junior:
Kamila Valieva, 14, Eteri
Daria Usacheva, 14, ETeri
Maya KHromykh, 14, Eteri
Anna Frolova, 15, Davydov
Sofia Muravoyva, 14, Eteri
Adelya Petrosyan, 14, Eteri
Sofia Samodelkina, 14, Davydov
Elizaveta Osokina, 13, Buianova
Idk who else, Berestovskaya, Akatieva, Gorbacheva, and Zhilina are all too young. Perhaps Varvara Kisel with her 3A and 4S, though she missed jr nationals.
Seniors:
Aleksandra Trusova, 16, Plushenko
Alena Kostornaia, 17, Eteri
Anna Shcherbakova, 16, Eteri
Evgenia Medvedeva, 20, Orser
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, 23, Mishin
Alina Zagitova, 18, Eteri
Ksenia Sinitsyna, 16, Panova
Anastasia Guliakova, 18, Mishin
SOfia Samodurova, 17, Mishin
I know Samodurova and Guliakova are ahead of Sinitsyna on the national team list, but I think Ksenia should be ahead of them both. I love Guliakova and I'm so hyped to see her on the Grand Prix, but either her or Sofia are probably going to stay home from test skates sadly.
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There is no "order" to the national team or reserve list, its in some arbitrary order like alphabetical or something. Everyone on the reserve team is on the same level as far as funding goes. Anyways, I don't think Guliakova will be on the GP, but at the very most she could only have the one spot as she is not eligible for any spot other than the host spot, and last year, only girls with two spots and on the national team were invited to test skates. I believe Guliakova will end up in a similar situation to Gubanova last year - on the reserve team but no GP spots and no test skates. Sinitsyna will almost certainly have spots though which will mean she will be invited to test skates, probably Samodurova too.
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I wonder how the warmup groups be divided for test skates next season. Assuming all 9 on the main and reserve team are invited, I could see them doing Team Tutberidze + Panova in one group and Team Mishin/Orser/Plushenko in another to minimize drama. Or maximize drama by splitting them up - reverse order by SB? Placement at Nationals? Or maybe just alphabetical split in the middle will be very interesting either way.
will be very interesting either way.
