2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[plushyfan]

If anybody missed Sasha's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAEJbunBP8Y with english subtitles (originally posted Cookie Panda 23 on Sasha's thread)

I read many opinions about the video but no one mentioned that part Plushenko wants to change her technic....is there enough time to change it to Beijing?

 

[Mathman]

For such case to me it's much better to speak openly than using some empty phrases about "creative disagreements" etc.

I agree that there is no reason to speak vaguely of creative differences. Nor to say that the skater is an ungrateful dog. Nor to say that a rival coach is a fraud. Nor to say that a skater's parents are money-grubbing malcontents.

"No comment." -- there you go! :yes:

 

[Fried]

she will have programs ready to go, she just won't be trained by test skates. i'd assume she will skate without a 3A there, unless Rozanov works some magic quickly. the move has put her back quite a bit.

she will be fine by the time she competes in the fall.

I am surprised that no one has yet theorized that Daddy Trusov threaded the whole Alyona thing to give Sasha (oh no, she's now called $asha by her formerly fake friends and current critics) an advantage.

 

[el henry]

I do not know the Russian system, and I have read many of the posts here but they seem to contradict, so this is an honest question:

can't Alena stay as a member of SAMBO and still be coached by Plushenko? Without any "bending" of any rules?

In the US, the club and the coach are two separate entities. To use my favorite example, Jason represents the Skokie Valley Skating Club. Whether he is coached by Kori or coached by Brian, he represents Skokie Valley. If he wants to transfer between US skating clubs, there may be paperwork involved, but he is the skater and he chooses his coach and no paperwork stands in the way of that.

Wouldn't that be the same thing for Alena? She needs permission to transfer to another *club*, but she is not beholden to any one coach. So she can represent SAMBO 70 and be coached by Plushy?

Or do you actually need permission to choose another coach?:scratch3:

 

[Alex65]

Persistent promoting. Well, I expressed some opinion, then received reaction and even some question to it, so of course I replied. That I don't see as "persistent promoting", that I see as a normal discussion about a thing that is actually very common and usual and so far I didn't read any objection that would make figure skating so special that there couldn't be applied things that work in many other sports. It is also not true that I wouldn't consider the responsibility of the coach to the athlete, why did I talked about "protecting both sides" (and replied some questions in this direction)?

Tough I'm afraid particular people only see what they want to see. Just recently you expressed your very dislike of Eteri, which is of course your right, but if all your posts come not only from this point (incl. claiming that coach is "greedy") but also from the point that anyone who opposes is "only fanatical fan", than I can hardly see any possibility for normal discussion.

Of course, you have the right not to answer uncomfortable questions for you and ignore your opponent, sticking to him the label "hater" of Eteri. But I'll try again anyway.
Are you a lawyer? Am I wrong? Because you were able to involve family law in sports discourse. I would be interested in your impartial professional opinion based on well-known facts about Russian figure skaters: a coach or athlete is more vulnerable in the modern Russian FS, which of them needs additional legal protection in the form of a contract?

 

[fabienne1996]

No she won't be ready not like she normally would anyway.

Aliona transferred well after the transferred window closed. I don't know if EG can block her move to plushenko because the transfer window was clearly closed according to the Russian Federation. Sure to many of us Alena is the most beautiful figure skater in years and she had an almost perfect debut season. But because she's so great should she be allowed to avoid the transfer rules if not break them? I don't think so because it would set a bad precedent. What if KV in the middle of the season or after the transfer window next year had a bad competition and only won by Five Points or woke up on the wrong side of the bed or actually lost a competition and wanted to transfer outside of the rules? That would have to be allowed because they will allow aliona to do this in the end. I want to see her skate too. The FED is going to have to bend the transfer rules or come up with a loophole for Alena to get her to skate this season outside of EGs group Her transfer broke the transfer rules from what we know. Eteris frustration and anger makes her look bad and I wish she didn't act that way. There I said it

Didnt yulia transfer like mid season in november years ago or did i hear that wrong?

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[Alex65]

I, so this is an honest question:

can't Alena stay as a member of SAMBO and still be coached by Plushenko? Without any "bending" of any rules?
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Yes, of course she can. Many have done this before her. Tarakanova, Kanysheva is the first thing that comes to mind.

 

[Vemvane]

If anybody missed Sasha's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAEJbunBP8Y with english subtitles (originally posted Cookie Panda 23 on Sasha's thread)

I read many opinions about the video but no one mentioned that part Plushenko wants to change her technic....is there enough time to change it to Beijing?

I noticed that, and thought it could be quite promising for her. He points out that she needs to get her arms in tight sooner than she does, to start rotation earlier, and is also talking about making her jumping less reliant on force (term used in the subtitles!) and more about efficient technique. Efficiency in form should make for better long-term stability, and decrease the risk of injury, so that's a plus. Couldn't say if there's enough time to change her technique before Beijing, but it really does depend, I suspect, on to what extent it's a complete overhaul, or to what extent it is refining and adjusting what is already there.

 

[lopsilceci]

I do not know the Russian system, and I have read many of the posts here but they seem to contradict, so this is an honest question:

can't Alena stay as a member of SAMBO and still be coached by Plushenko? Without any "bending" of any rules?

In the US, the club and the coach are two separate entities. To use my favorite example, Jason represents the Skokie Valley Skating Club. Whether he is coached by Kori or coached by Brian, he represents Skokie Valley. If he wants to transfer between US skating clubs, there may be paperwork involved, but he is the skater and he chooses his coach and no paperwork stands in the way of that.

Wouldn't that be the same thing for Alena? She needs permission to transfer to another *club*, but she is not beholden to any one coach. So she can represent SAMBO 70 and be coached by Plushy?

Or do you actually need permission to choose another coach?:scratch3:

From what I understand, she can skate with Plushenko as her coach but she has to represent Sambo at least during this season because the federation didn't receive any documentation for a club transfer during the transfer window and they're not allowing it now.
What isn't clear to me is what representing a specific club means, like... does it just mean that any federation money Aliona gets as a national team member will go to Sambo? Or are there other implications?

 

[Jontor]

Interesting about the Grand Prix, but how will it work exactly?

Seems to me it will be like 3 geographical competitions:
America: SA, SC
Europe: Rostelecom, IdF
Asia: CoC, NHK

With Canada having one of the toughest rules concerning C-19, and the US being totally virus-infested, it seems to me that no European/Asian girls will even try to get to those competitions. If you are not already training there. I was thinking about Medvedeva, but she is still in Russia isn't she?

The European competitions will be Russian girls, some Finns, French, Italians.

The Asians competitions will include the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese.

Will RusFed even try to send 3 Russian girls to every competition? I doubt it.

 

[Scott512]

They approved Kolyada’s transfer out of the transfer window. He also went to a training camp at Novogorsk, left and then went to Mishin’s camp in July. If they don’t approve it they set a double standard depending on your coach.

They can’t force Aliona to skate with a specific coach, so she will likely nominally represent Sambo 70 while training at the Angels of Plushenko rink. Sambo and Plushenko might negotiate some sort of an agreement so some of her funding goes to Plushenko’s rink to cover programs, costumes, etc. or Plushenko will cover it out of pocket, with sponsors, or in some sort of other arrangement (i.e. barter with Aliona for her to participate in his shows for free, he will cover the cost of training etc. I’m making this up)

Your scenario paints an interesting picture.

Plushy and Yana should pay for everything Sambo zippo There is no reason for transfers to be done after the deadline. The FED has opened up a can of worms by allowing it. It's pretty interesting to see a skater in their debut season almost have a perfect season only not win one event and have to transfer like her life depended on it. But the wounds will heal and aliona will have to deliver in my opinion just as she normally has. If she gets that triple axel back she will be great again.

 

[ruga]

Interesting about the Grand Prix, but how will it work exactly?

Seems to me it will be like 3 geographical competitions:
America: SA, SC
Europe: Rostelecom, IdF
Asia: CoC, NHK

With Canada having one of the toughest rules concerning C-19, and the US being totally virus-infested, it seems to me that no European/Asian girls will even try to get to those competitions. If you are not already training there. I was thinking about Medvedeva, but she is still in Russia isn't she?

The European competitions will be Russian girls, some Finns, French, Italians.

The Asians competitions will include the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese.

Will RusFed even try to send 3 Russian girls to every competition? I doubt it.

Skaters will do one event apparently. https://m.sports.ru/figure-skating/1087610355.html
I can't imagine what it would be like for Russian girls though. 9-10 of them would have to battle in one competition.

 

[fabienne1996]

Skaters will do one event apparently. https://m.sports.ru/figure-skating/1087610355.html
I can't imagine what it would be like for Russian girls though. 9-10 of them would have to battle in one competition.

Well i wouldnt call it grand prix season this year because its like only one competitiin, there cant really be any final between skater only if the 6 are all russians than they can battle it out . But just call it what it is it is not an international competition this year not really

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[Jontor]

Skaters will do one event apparently. https://m.sports.ru/figure-skating/1087610355.html
I can't imagine what it would be like for Russian girls though. 9-10 of them would have to battle in one competition.

Oh, ok! Well, then the Rostelecom Cup will be brutal! :shocked:

And it still seems to me that every Russian girl must go through the Russian Cup to qualify for Nationals, which will be interesting.

 

[fabienne1996]

Oh, ok! Well, then the Rostelecom Cup will be brutal! :shocked:

It will be lika a mini russian nationals

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[Alex65]

I like to think that I will be able to see two Russian championships within 1 month. First time at Rostelecom with international judges (I hope there will be international judges). And for the second time the Championship with Russian judges, but also with the participation of the best juniors.

 

[Scott512]

I am surprised that no one has yet theorized that Daddy Trusov threaded the whole Alyona thing to give Sasha (oh no, she's now called $asha by her formerly fake friends and current critics) an advantage.

Now you made me feel bad.

Im a fan no critic. But that doesn't mean criticisms are never warranted on and off the ice. Daddy Trusov as you call him made the right move for Sasha OFF the ice. We will see about on the ice if we have a season. I wish her well.

Didnt yulia transfer like mid season in november years ago or did i hear that wrong?

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I dont remember. But I think it was midseason.Yulianwas special then and Aliona is special now. It helps being special.

 

[plushyfan]

Your scenario paints an interesting picture.

Plushy and Yana should pay for everything Sambo zippo There is no reason for transfers to be done after the deadline. The FED has opened up a can of worms by allowing it. It's pretty interesting to see a skater in their debut season almost have a perfect season only not win one event and have to transfer like her life depended on it. But the wounds will heal and aliona will have to deliver in my opinion just as she normally has. If she gets that triple axel back she will be great again.

Why? You talk as you would be sure they invited her in the academy. I'm sure more and more that was Alyona's decision.

 

[Shofis]

It's interesting to me that for many posters the desire to hate on Eteri and find anything possible on earth to criticize her is so strong, that barely anyone seems to acknowledge that in this case it's perfectly understandable for her to be pissed/offended.
Independently of if the way she reacted to it on social media is appropriate or not, please imagine your star student going with you to training camp, using up your time, the time of your tech specialist and most importantly Daniil who is one person that has to choreograph for all the people in that group.
Lets Daniil waste his time on her, giving her 2 complete programs, as the first one in the group to receive them.
Then one day stop you in the hallway in nearly August and say "I'm leaving. And I'm not only leaving, I'm going to Plushenko, the guy that trashed you and our school publicly and your biggest rival. And I decided that back in May."

Even if small things in this turn out to be not exactly like we think so far, the grand scheme remains.
I'm not blaming Alena for playing the game or for anything else and she's my favorite skater. But I totally can put myself in Eteri's shoes here.

I don't remember any posters "hating" on Eteri for... having feelings. I do see a lot of people, however, taking issue with her conduct. Or are you implying her actions are justifiable because of those feelings? If so, then can't you extend the same courtesy to Kostornaia? She too may have felt wronged, frustrated or anxious.

 

[Scott512]

If anybody missed Sasha's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAEJbunBP8Y with english subtitles (originally posted Cookie Panda 23 on Sasha's thread)

I read many opinions about the video but no one mentioned that part Plushenko wants to change her technic....is there enough time to change it to Beijing?

Not enough time if the Winter Olympics are in February of 2022 but probably enough time if the Winter Olympics are in February 2023. Sasha can add some things to her amazing repertoire but she does not need drastic changes in my opinion. As time goes by Plushy needs to be quiet about what his girls are doing. We never bear EG or Professor Mishin talk about how great their girls are doing in practice. We know Sasha and aliona are great. May the figure-skating Gods keep them that way through puberty and into their twenties.