2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Scott512]

I think Zagi will focus on studies (and the sweet $$$!). Good for her. She has everything this sport offers her.

ETA: Or ₽₽₽ rather!

Agreed.

i wonder what her reasoning is to not commit to the Russian cup. she will have more time to prepare for it after test skates, even if she doesn't do well. maybe she's waiting to see if her desire is still there?

Your last sentence says it all. I for one still hope she has a desire.

 

[lopsilceci]

The gp is one event for her, the gpf originally was planned to be in beijing, i doubt that will happen, so to say it frankly the gp and gpf is not really important this year.

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I was just pointing out that there would still be the possibility to compete at the GP even if she decides to skip Russian Cup. Test skates wouldn't necessarily be the only place she skates at in the season.

If the ISU already decided to go ahead with the GP stages, then I would assume they will also make the final happen in some format.

 

[vorravorra]

But you forgot something Plushenko didn't want to be full time coach in the first years. He had many shows in many countries in the world. He loves that! I believe it is very difficult to give up the skating especially if you are beloved and celebrated like him and he could earn a lot of money with it. And you don't forget his grandiose own shows; Nutcracker, Swan Lake, Cinderella. That's a lot of work especially if he wants to make a high level shows. Those were fantastic shows! He has a name thus he didn't want to ruin it. He was the producer, the choreographer, and he skated the main role in them. But he worked in his school, you can't denie the progress of Sima, and Titova, and even Tarakanova.

So you don't say someone else would have done these things much better. I understand, Plushenko haters want to prove how weak coach he is, but his work has really only just begun.

I don't know why people keep talking either as if Plushenko has coached every AoP student from the beginning so their progress or lack thereof should be attributed to him, or like he is still a figurehead who doesn't really coach so no success or failure is due to him. Tarakanova's main coach was Ksenia Ivanova. Plushenko got his own group last year (where he is the main coach and is fully responsible for it), before that he had concentrated on just Titova for half a season. It's too early to judge Plushenko as a coach, he barely had time to bring one skater he has coached to juniors, the others are still novices. They need to grow and he needs to develop as a coach. Which is why I don't think taking both Sasha and Alyona was wise. He would do well to take on an experienced coach and particularly a choreographer for his group, not those who have also been doing it for a couple of years.

 

[flanker]

The positive thing is that now we know Alina will surely appear at the test skates. That wasn't clear to some till now. Then, in the words of Sarah Connor, "the unknown future rolls towards us and I face it with a sense of hope."

 

[plushyfan]

The positive thing is that now we know Alina will surely apper at the test skates. That wasn't clear to some till now. Then, in the words of Sarah Connor, "the unknown future rolls towards us and I face it with a sense of hope."

Or Alina can say this: " I will be back"

 

[Fried]

The positive thing is that now we know Alina will surely apper at the test skates. That wasn't clear to some till now. Then, in the words of Sarah Connor, "the unknown future rolls towards us and I face it with a sense of hope."

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

 

[ruga]

Some interesting match ups in the test skates! Maybe cancelled competitions were a blessing in disguise and we will finally get to see all Russian skaters compete against each other.

Wonder which stages Kamila will get and if Maiia, Daria and Anna F. will go to senior cup.

I was almost convinced that Alina will compete this season, but after seeing the assignments, less so. Alina probably would have picked stages right away if she was sure she will be going to them.

 

[Scott512]

Oh no, I'm totally not blaming Kamila, it's a great honour and chance for her, no one would decline such an invitation. It's just RusFed who keep making me shake my head. :noshake:

I think Zagi will focus on studies (and the sweet $$$!). Good for her. She has everything this sport offers her.

ETA: Or ₽₽₽ rather!

I don't know why people keep talking either as if Plushenko has coached every AoP student from the beginning so their progress or lack thereof should be attributed to him, or like he is still a figurehead who doesn't really coach so no success or failure is due to him. Tarakanova's main coach was Ksenia Ivanova. Plushenko got his own group last year (where he is the main coach and is fully responsible for it), before that he had concentrated on just Titova for one season. It's too early to judge Plushenko as a coach, he barely had time to bring one skater he has coached to juniors, the others are still novices. They need to grow and he needs to develop as a coach. Which is why I don't think taking both Sasha and Alyona was wise. He would do well to take on an experienced coach and particularly a choreographer for his group, not those who have also been doing it for a couple of years.

Post of the day thank you.

I agree with you that he should not have taken both Superstars Sasha and Aliona since you astutely pointed out he is not equipped to handle both. But how in God's name do you turn down aliona who was the best and most beautiful lady skater last season? You don't.

 

[flanker]

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

For the parents of Arnold Rimmer it was "Faith, hop and charity, and the greatest of these is hop." As we are in figure skating world I guess this version fits even with the misprint.

 

[zounger]

My impression so far is that the federation decided to watch Alina on test skates to decide if she will compete or not on cup stages rather than Alina informed them that she doesn't know if she will compete.

 

[Jontor]

RUSSIAN CUP ASSIGNMENTS (For senior national team members)

STAGE 1
- Shcherbakova
- Medvedeva
- Sinitsyna

STAGE 2
- Trusova
- Medvedeva

STAGE 3 -
- Shcherbakova
- Tuktamysheva
- Gulyakova
- Samodurova

STAGE 4
- Kostornaya
- Trusova
- Samodurova

STAGE 5
- Kostornaya
- Tuktamysheva
- Sinitsyna
- Gulyakova


No Alina... so I guess we will also not see her at test skates?
Edit: Kogan said that Alina will decide after test skates if she wants to take part in the RC or not
https://rsport.ria.ru/amp/20200821/zagitova-1576109340.html?__twitter_impression=true

Whole list with all disciplines here
https://t.co/d45ppbvTDo?amp=1

Yay! This is what we have been waiting for. Some interesting matches. I am sooo looking forward to this!

And if I read between the lines I think we can figure out who is ready and who is not!

 

[fabienne1996]

Some interesting match ups in the test skates! Maybe cancelled competitions were a blessing in disguise and we will finally get to see all Russian skaters compete against each other.

Wonder which stages Kamila will get and if Maiia, Daria and Anna F. will go to senior cup.

I was almost convinced that Alina will compete this season, but after seeing the assignments, less so. Alina probably would have picked stages right away if she was sure she will be going to them.

I would guess that kamila takes the stage were sasha and alyona are there, because lets face it eteri would love to get one over her former students. And possible the one with only alyona in it or withzhenha and sasha in it. .

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[fabienne1996]

And i guesss mabye alina wants to see how here chances are against the others now, that sasha and aljona left . It probably depends on how the others do and how she skates.

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[zounger]

And i guesss mabye alina wants to see how here chances are against the others now, that sasha and aljona left . It probably depends on how the others do and how she skates.

That doesn't make sense, everyone watching himself and not what others do. They can bomb in test skates and land all the jumps next week on competition or the opposite. Do you think experienced athletes and teams are approaching the skates with this mentality? And why this has to apply specifically to Alina and not the others.

 

[fabienne1996]

That doesn't make sense, everyone watching himself and not what others do. They can bomb in test skates and land all the jumps next week on competition or the opposite. Do you think experienced athletes and teams are approaching the skates with this mentality? And why this has to apply specifically to Alina and not the others.

Because last season alina said that she skates for the skating and not only for the winning but as we saw she did care that she wasnt winning that agaisnt sasha, against aljona and against anna she lost , aljona set herself on first place at both grand prix events. And then the gpf happened. So it makes sense to me that she probably would like to see how it is this year or get at least a small feeling for it, now that kamila will be there too, which is another girl who could perhaps place herself above her. And shenprobably also wants to see if she wants to compete again, (i mean she said she missed it while doing the show, but mabye her feelings changed again since then?)

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[fabienne1996]

That doesn't make sense, everyone watching himself and not what others do. They can bomb in test skates and land all the jumps next week on competition or the opposite. Do you think experienced athletes and teams are approaching the skates with this mentality? And why this has to apply specifically to Alina and not the others.

And because the others have their assignements, none of the others in the official team have said that they take a look at how test skate goes only alina did that( mabye also has to do with rusfed, who knows, ma ye thats also the reason why kamilia is allowed to skate at senior test skate? ) this is nothing against alina just my thoughts on it, because it would make sense, if she has the feeling that she can't compete against the others , cant win against them, ( i am not saying thats how it is just how it could be)

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[zounger]

And because the others have their assignements, none of the others in the official team have said that they take a look at how test skate goes only alina did that( mabye also has to do with rusfed, who knows, ma ye thats also the reason why kamilia is allowed to skate at senior test skate? )

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Alina didn't say anything Garshkov said they will look how she will skate on test skates and they will decide. Can you point me to what Alina said?

 

[Amei]

My impression so far is that the federation decided to watch Alina on test skates to decide if she will compete or not on cup stages rather than Alina informed them that she doesn't know if she will compete.

Why do you think this is a Fed decision? They have plenty of other skaters more than capable of winning gold at whatever international competitions there are this coming season - so they don't need her for that, they wouldn't be making the announcement of her possibly not competing at the Russian cup stages if they needed her to sell seats for those competitions. The only way this makes sense that this is a Fed decision from what I can think of, is that they are wanting to boost prices and sales of Test skates tickets with journalists and social media theorizing this her last time on the ice.

My best guess on this move is that Zagitova is not sure she's going to be able to be competitive, is curious to see what the other seniors come with and then decide if she wants to make a go of it. She was likely out of competition training longer than the others, so she might not have a quad or triple axel or perhaps even the jumps back that she previously competed. Would she really be interested in going a full season of competitions like the Grand Prix final last year where she knew it was highly unlikely she would finish on the podium.

 

[zounger]

Why do you think this is a Fed decision? They have plenty of other skaters more than capable of winning gold at whatever international competitions there are this coming season - so they don't need her for that, they wouldn't be making the announcement of her possibly not competing at the Russian cup stages if they needed her to sell seats for those competitions. The only way this makes sense that this is a Fed decision from what I can think of, is that they are wanting to boost prices and sales of Test skates tickets with journalists and social media theorizing this her last time on the ice.

My best guess on this move is that Zagitova is not sure she's going to be able to be competitive, is curious to see what the other seniors come with and then decide if she wants to make a go of it. She was likely out of competition training longer than the others, so she might not have a quad or triple axel or perhaps even the jumps back that she previously competed. Would she really be interested in going a full season of competitions like the Grand Prix final last year where she knew it was highly unlikely she would finish on the podium.

Because of these two quotes from fed people.

Kogan: "Zagitova will participate in the test skates, and then we will see how she performs. Zagitova herself will determine how the work will proceed. This is, in principle, a joint decision ”

Gorshkov: "She will participate in the skates. - The decision on her participation in the season will be made after them."

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Why do you think this is a Fed decision? They have plenty of other skaters more than capable of winning gold at whatever international competitions there are this coming season - so they don't need her for that, they wouldn't be making the announcement of her possibly not competing at the Russian cup stages if they needed her to sell seats for those competitions. The only way this makes sense that this is a Fed decision from what I can think of, is that they are wanting to boost prices and sales of Test skates tickets with journalists and social media theorizing this her last time on the ice.

My best guess on this move is that Zagitova is not sure she's going to be able to be competitive, is curious to see what the other seniors come with and then decide if she wants to make a go of it. She was likely out of competition training longer than the others, so she might not have a quad or triple axel or perhaps even the jumps back that she previously competed. Would she really be interested in going a full season of competitions like the Grand Prix final last year where she knew it was highly unlikely she would finish on the podium.

There’s also that thing that if she officially “retires”, she loses money from Fed. If she goes to Test Skates, she at least can say “I’m deciding later”.