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2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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I don't know the answers. I try to think logically.
OK, logically. As I've written above, in a post I modified so I don't know whether you noticed it. I can't speak for each of 2000 people (or how many there should have been in the audience) and of course I can't exclude sole or isolated acts of hostility against former Eteri skaters. But the fact is that on any video from the event I saw, both official or fan, I didn't see anything like that, so I have strong doubts that if there was anything like that, it was more than precisely rare, isolated act, not a mass action. And unfortunately not that rare and going cross the sympathies, see examples given by nussnacker.
Still, yes, I am able to admit there are people who hate former Eteri skaters. Are you, for instance, able to admit there are people who hate current Eteri skaters?
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I can imagine everything about the figure skating fans..
Well, I was told I could make a campaign for a polititian. You could represent precisely that polititian with this kind of answer, so I offer you my services
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Another topic please! I have a question: the Russian ladies always wear gloves with their costumes. I know it’s to prevent hand injuries because they’re always grabbing their blades while contorting their bodies; it’s dangerous. But Shcherbakova’s gloves looked so sheer and thin, so how were those protecting her hands?
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Even thin cloth can protect you to some degree. But it can be also protection against a sweat. When I attended the dance lessons, the gloves were compulsory because of the sweat.
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Well, I was told I could make a campaign for a polititian. You could represent precisely that polititian with this kind of answer, so I offer you my services
My husband is polititian. Maybe we are goint to use your services..
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I believe the gloves make their arms longer thus more elegant.
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My husband is polititian. Maybe we are goint to use your services..
That explains a lot
(sorry I coudn't resist)
Her name is Liza. It's enough for you?
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i know most here understand these girls lost a ton of training time this year, but the fact there are still people who expect perfection from them in such strenuous circumstances is absurd. they were off the ice for WEEKS, got programs late, had to get their jumps back, become trained and consistent again, and they still showed up to skate. they didn't just pick up where they left off. that alone deserves so much respect.
and the constant and deliberate nit picking of technique, arguing over screenshots of which decimal of a degree a skater takes off at, and these fan-made concepts of prerotation and full blade takeoff is ruining the sport. it makes it SO unenjoyable. it is ALL OVER social media and forums, people criticizing and picking apart every single second of a jump, many using it as fuel to the fire of their hatred towards a certain skater. it has to stop. if any of these people had any clue how jump mechanics work, there would be none of this. please, leave the judging to the judges, stop making imaginary rules to fit your agenda and just enjoy the incredibly HARD stuff each of these skaters do.
heaven forbid these teenagers be HUMAN.
and the constant and deliberate nit picking of technique, arguing over screenshots of which decimal of a degree a skater takes off at, and these fan-made concepts of prerotation and full blade takeoff is ruining the sport. it makes it SO unenjoyable. it is ALL OVER social media and forums, people criticizing and picking apart every single second of a jump, many using it as fuel to the fire of their hatred towards a certain skater. it has to stop. if any of these people had any clue how jump mechanics work, there would be none of this. please, leave the judging to the judges, stop making imaginary rules to fit your agenda and just enjoy the incredibly HARD stuff each of these skaters do.
heaven forbid these teenagers be HUMAN.
This. But I must say this "full blade toe loop" thing that I know EXACTLY when it started and how, it's far and away the worst thing I've seen. It's simply not even mechanically possible to do that and not fall on your head and probably break your neck. But nope. And they won't even listen to reason, the people who disagree are just awful cheats and can't read/think/whatever, and the people who watched a YouTube video are the arbiters of physics and techniques now.
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I read everything you wrote about hatred and noticed something. Etheri has the most fans. This is normal, she is a remarkable woman who is very successful and has created a lot of stars. But we have to admit that so many brilliantly talented girls didn't fit in there anymore. Why not let some of them find their place elsewhere if they didn't feel right there? I find the fight more interesting now. Evgheni tries and I hope to succeed in offering the best conditions, the best professionals for his students. Ether is hurt by the departure of her girls, but I don't think they lack reason. I think there were good reasons. I really like Anna and Kamila..they are so cute, elegant but I find Aliona and Sasha much stronger .. But this hatred is unjustified and does a lot of harm to innocent girls whose motivation is to be the best for them and for Russia
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Unfortunately this is the technique we see with a lot of skaters today. For a toe jump, a skater with proper takeoff technique is completely airborne within the first 90 degrees or so of the jump. Nowadays lot of skaters have this cheated technique where they rotate about 180+ degrees before getting completely in the air. Personally, I think the same amount of attention that is given to under-rotations should be applied to pre-rotations as in both cases rotation is completed on the ice and not in the air. Whether it's pre- or under-, the skater is cheating the rotation of the jump. Both should be penalized IMO; however, only URs get called.
I believe they added something about pre-rotations to the rules for this year but I recall someone saying that a pre-rotation call would be at the discretion of the judges which is completely ridiculous. I'll have to go back in confirm but if that is true, it makes no sense. The tech caller is responsible for deeming something under-rotated so they should be in charge of calling it pre-rotated as well. If that does happen I'd imagine there will be a lot of upset skaters because a lot of skaters use that cheated technique on the takeoff which is why I doubt if they'll ever really start calling it.
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Maybe most fans in Russia, though I don't think it was ever measured. also it's not the same with the ordinary fans and the big guns of figure skating. Outside Russia? Not sure. Her position brings many attention and fans, but also many enemies. It could be even said that hardly anything can bring you so much hatred as success. Again, not that she alays did, said or judged everything right. I would be much more willing for the objective evaluation of her if it weren't for the fact that to any single thing she truly did wrong wasn't attached 20 other things, that are biased, not true, one-sided or simply BS not just about her, but also her skaters, fans and anyone who dares to have different opinion.
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That explains a lot
I would have written the same for you....
I'm speaking about the way how you on one hand despise "evil Eteri's fans" like three times a day, while do as if hatred towards other skaters was absolutely insignificant, as zounger has pointed out. What you did three years ago is not an argument, it's how you write now. The way you evaluate the fans (and "fans") is simply selective blindness. How much hostility is there towards Eteri skaters for instance (now esp. against Anna, and no, those are not "just objective technical notes". Even Anna herself unfortunately knows about it, she even mentioned it in the interview for the olympic channel in january, which is a sign that it crossed any respectable boundaries).
As for the talks about the skaters, well, on one hand you say "Kamila has empty face", which is OK to have such opinion, but person should be consistent then. E.g. Sasha also definitely didn't abound with facial expressions during her free skate. Her program was quite empty apart from technical elements at this moment (it can turn better during the season of course), if it weren't for the music, it would have hardly any connection to R&J theme. So the comparison with Mozart would fit rather here.
Critique can be accepted if it is honest, objective and not one-sided. I also didn't see much prone to listening to the objections towards Plushenko and his team from his fans through time, just whenr pointing out about how Rozanov's programs still draw inspiration from his former team (without any critique of that) was accepted the way "burn the witch"
The question of "sustainability of these careers" is important, but has hardly anything to do precisely about "Eteri's fans are this or that".
Well let me explain you the difference between an opinion and what you call "verbal slandering"
For instance saying a skater has bad programs is not "verbal slandering" if you argument WHY you think these programs are bad. Then you can agree or disagree of course.
On the other hand i see mostly hating on skaters only because they left Tutberidze or they criticized her: you see it from the dislikes, from media channels pro Eteri,... etc. I get it the coach is seen as the hero of the nation, but respect the athletes!, again worth remembering that they are all part of the same team.
It's quite funny that NOW you are playing the victim card for Anna, when Kostornaya and Trusova got bashed the entire summer for leaving Eteri, or Medvedeva going to a Canadian coach was seen as betrayal, it'd be funny to read something from you on that instead. Again the double standards.
I did say however that could be a result of unfinished work (which is understandable at this stage), don't quote the post if you have to twist it conveniently.
With Valieva - Trusova there is a specific reason why i sound more positive for one than the other.
- Valieva skates better than Trusova, but i don't see any improvement from last season, she is pretty much the same skater with arguargbly a worse free this season (as of now!).
- Trusova was always considered a jumper first, she comes from really bad programs in my opinion (with rushed movements, sloppy crossovers,...) that perhaps made her look even worse than who she is.
But what i saw here from her, is some serious work on skating skills, on holding more these positions, a new lyrical soft style (something she has never really done before) and facial expression will come too if they continue to work in this direction. This was only the first step but a positive one at the very least.
All these girls have time to develop, but if you never see an attempt to improve, then you'll never see those improvements.
Would you say that Zagitova's Don Quixote at the Olympics looked better than the same free from Russian Nationals 2017? To me it looked the exact same.
Critique can be accepted if it is honest, objective and not one-sided. I also didn't see much prone to listening to the objections towards Plushenko and his team from his fans through time, just whenr pointing out about how Rozanov's programs still draw inspiration from his former team (without any critique of that) was accepted the way "burn the witch"
Go back and read my post here cause i was the first to point out that Rozanov's programs for Zhilina still look like Eteri programs.
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Shcherbakova, Medvedeva and Sinitsyna were scheduled to take part in the RC First Stage next weekend, but I read in the Test Skates thread that Sinitsyna has withdrawn? Any news on her? Is she injured?
As I see it, you have to finish at least 4th in your two events to be sure to qualify to RusNats. That should be no problem for our top skaters. But I wonder a bit about Medvedeva. She didn't seem ready at all this weekend, her tech was pretty low. If she has a bad skate she might not make Top Four and then she's in trouble. On the other hand, we don't know yet who else is going to be there, and I guess we can probably expect that more skaters are "not ready" because of the circumstances this season.
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