2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Fried]

I don’t remember seeing that term exactly, but we like using the term “cognitive dissonance” to explain that. Where basically you view one thing in a certain way because you like it, but you completely contradict that logic when looking at it from a perspective you don’t.

An example: “I don’t understand why my professor takes so long to grade, probably because he’s so hard on the red pen” meaning that you expect to do poorly, but you’re blaming the teacher for grading too harshly. Then another professor takes forever to grade and you say “well he just has a lot of students and exams to get through”

It’s like— Orwell train of thought. Everything contradicts everything else but you don’t understand the disconnect in your own logic because of your bias.

I meant something else. Someone responds to legitimate criticism by simply listing examples that show what the other side has done.
It was such a typically newfangled term.

 

[sclloyd]

I meant something else. Someone responds to legitimate criticism by simply listing examples that show what the other side has done.
It was such a typically newfangled term.

A strawman argument?

 

[Fried]

Yeah that is concerning, i hope what we saw here is a sign of Trusova understanding there is another way to win this.

But it has already been announced that the 3-quad program will be gradually expanded to the 5-quad program. Was it Plush or was it Sasha? I am not sure. Anyway, I read it somewhere yesterday. We should simply get used to it. Это Саша. :cool14:

 

[Fried]

A strawman argument?

Thanks for trying to help the absent-minded professor's memory, but unfortunately that wasn't it.

 

[Mawwerg]

Yeah that is concerning, i hope what we saw here is a sign of Trusova understanding there is another way to win this.

What is this?

 

[lopsilceci]

One thing I'm sure of is that if it had become known that during these test skates, an Eteri skater:

a) was allowed to skate with a fever in the middle of the freaking covid pandemic.
b) had a super messy skate like Medvedeva, most likely because of an old injury while also looking unusually skinny and still, was allowed to skate here.
c) skated a short program with an injury and then was praised by her coach for sucking it up and skating anyway.

Sure, we saw a few critical opinions about this here and in the Test Skates thread, but definitely not the outrage it would have caused if it was an Eteri skater and I didn't see a single person blaming the coach or posting long speeches about how irresponsible and abusive Mishin, TAT, Brian or Plushenko are.

 

[lopsilceci]

Yeah that is concerning, i hope what we saw here is a sign of Trusova understanding there is another way to win this.

Hmm nope. Sasha has made it clear that her goal is to skate a 5 quad layout cleanly.

 

[katymay]

Erm, that was the whole point of Sasha going to Plush... She wanted to jump more quads and didn't like that the coaches limited her in this aspect.

Her jumps are much better. Tighter rotation, cleaner air position, and-the lutz loop is back. With the growth spurt she may be limited in how many quads are possible. It may just be one-the toe. Possibly she will get the lutz back.

 

[sclloyd]

Thanks for trying to help the absent-minded professor's memory, but unfortunately that wasn't it.

Well I tried, lol. Maybe one day I’ll actually go back and read everything and I’ll say “OHHH THATS SO OBVIOUS” whenever I see it.

 

[lopsilceci]

Shcherbakova, Medvedeva and Sinitsyna were scheduled to take part in the RC First Stage next weekend, but I read in the Test Skates thread that Sinitsyna has withdrawn? Any news on her? Is she injured?

Panova said that Ksenia is injured and won't be able to skate in the first stage.
She didn't reveal details about the injury but hopefully it's nothing serious and she will be able to skate at later stages.

 

[Fried]

One thing I'm sure of is that if it had become known that during these test skates, an Eteri skater:

(...) skated a short program with an injury and then was praised by her coach for sucking it up and skating anyway.

May I point out that no one knows what kind of injury Alyona is, not even clear whether there is an injury at all. Or did I miss something? Wasn't that talking about a syringe? It could also have been against pain. And what had Alyona chatted out of the sewing box when she was still at TT? When someone complains about <´pain, Eteri simply asks the group if there is anyone here who is NOT in pain. Then all hands stay down and the problem is closed.

 

[vorravorra]

May I point out that no one knows what kind of injury Alyona is, not even clear whether there is an injury at all. Or did I miss something? Wasn't that talking about a syringe? It could also have been against pain. And what had Alyona chatted out of the sewing box when she was still at TT? When someone complains about <´pain, Eteri simply asks the group if there is anyone here who is NOT in pain. Then all hands stay down and the problem is closed.

Plushenko talked about Aliona having an injury in the past tense, but her SP still required painkiller injections so something must be lingering. Apparently she really wanted to skate before an audience after such a long break (Aliona herself said the same thing in an interview). Still sounds like a not particularly great idea.

https://tass.ru/sport/9440635

 

[lopsilceci]

Her jumps are much better. Tighter rotation, cleaner air position, and-the lutz loop is back. With the growth spurt she may be limited in how many quads are possible. It may just be one-the toe. Possibly she will get the lutz back.

I think it's a bit too early to tell if there have been significant changes to her technique and how this will affect her success rate for landing quads. We should probably wait for real competitions.

 

[vesperalvioletta]

In response to the Kostornaya and Medvedeva injury situations: I'm not advocating for skating on an injury, especially if its a serious one, but I think it's a little naive to assume that skaters don't practice in some level of pain fairly often. I was never a skater, but I was a decently high-level athlete in a different sport, as well as a coach, and I practiced and competed for years through fractures, sprains, bone bruises, illnesses, etc., as did many of my athletes. If the pain could be managed and I wasn't going to cause more damage, I wanted to practice, and compete. Looking back on it, do I think it was responsible? Of course not. But being entrenched in a high pressure, highly competitive system, a mindset of pushing through the pain when possible does become normalized.

 

[flanker]

Sometimes I look back and think to myself: is this how I spent my whole afternoon? Damn, it is. Was it worth? Damn, it wasn't. Task to myslef: Let's rather rewatch some skating this evening and hold during the week till till another event.

 

[zounger]

Sometimes I look back and think to myself: is this how I spent my whole afternoon? Damn, it is. Was it worth? Damn, it wasn't. Task to myslef: Let's rather rewatch some skating this evening and hold during the week till till another event.

See it as an exercise for your English, at least that's the way I see it. It's the only reason I write here actually.

 

[silveruskate]

I cannot judge what is "true" to what degree and what is not. It was all about what Trusova said or not said. And she definitely said that she wanted to go to Plushenko because she hoped that he, as an uncompromising quad jumper, would help stabilize her multi-quad FS. Eteri would have always tried to slow them down, not just this year. Those were her words.

As you said yourself, not just about jumping more but stabilising. Now I hope Sasha won't be disappointed...still wondering how exactly Plushenko will teach her this, but if she mentally wasn't feeling it at Sambo then I hope this is what she needs.

 

[flanker]

See it as an exercise for your English, at least that's the way I see it. It's the only reason I write here actually.

Thanks, that's a very good way how to look at it. The fact is that my communication abilities improved vastly since I am here (at least in writing) even though I stil make some stupid mistakes. But I'll work on it with my coach, I would like to add compound and complex programs - er, I mean sentences, before the olympics to improve my chances for a medal

 

[zounger]

Thanks, that's a very good way how to look at it. The fact is that my communication abilities improved vastly since I am here (at least in writing) even though I stil make some stupid mistakes. But I'll work on it with my coach, I would like to add compound and complex programs - er, I mean sentences, before the olympics to improve my chances for a medal

You have poor politicking here, I see the judges giving wrong edges many times, even if you don't have.

 

[flanker]

You have poor politicking here, I see the judges giving wrong edges many times, even if you don't have.

Then I'll have to charm them with my new costume.