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What speculation? Read the article, please.
I was an athlete ( not skater) I hated those coaches who wanted to humiliate me. That doesn't work for everyone.
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I was an athlete ( not skater) I hated those coaches who wanted to humiliate me. That doesn't work for everyone.
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Or an example in another sport, look at the Karolyi's in the US. People would make complaints against them and then other coaches/former Karolyi athletes would come to their defense, so people thought that it can't be that bad. Now we know that it was, in fact, even worse, but most people didn't and couldn't recognize it at the time.
I'm not saying Eteri is abusive. I've never been to their rink, so I have no idea. But the way folks rush to say "see, she's not bad at all, she's great!" isn't super helpful either.
Maybe we can just focus on the skaters and less on the coaches' behavior and drama? So no one gets put on a pedestal?
I'm not saying Eteri is abusive. I've never been to their rink, so I have no idea. But the way folks rush to say "see, she's not bad at all, she's great!" isn't super helpful either.
Maybe we can just focus on the skaters and less on the coaches' behavior and drama? So no one gets put on a pedestal?
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Участие Медведевой в московском этапе Кубка России под вопросом из-за проблем со спиной
Ранее фигуристка по медицинским показаниям снялась с этапа в Сызрани
Medvedeva's participation in the Moscow stage of the Russian Cup is questionable due to back problems
But it seems this is not official yet
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Why do you think I didn't read that?
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I'm not saying - actually I'm saying. You are so predictable, people...
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The point is neither of us know. Making claims one way or the other isn't helpful because neither of us know.I'm not saying - actually I'm saying. You are so predictable, people...
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It seems this is matter of taste. I'm not a tough person, mother, teacher. End of the story.
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But you are actually making those claims. Why do you think some people give examples of former skaters who speak positively about Eteri or even work for her now? Because there were people BEFORE, who made those conclusions like Eteri is superabusive etc. And when someone gives and counterargument, they don't know better thing than claim "but this isn't helpful."
The first thing that isn't helpful is the absolute and desperate effort to turn white into black.
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But presenting only half of the facts to create a certain image does have value here? For whatever it‘s worth, JazzUp conveniently linked only a small snippet of the interview. In others, Daria describes an environment at Tutberidze‘s rink that isn‘t all sunshine but just the opposite.
“In Eteri Georgievna’s group they keep weight very simple: you’re told to lose weight – and you lose weight. They said to lose a kilogram – you must do it. It doesn’t matter how.“
Interviewer: But she also jokes about Medvedeva and Zagitova.
Daria Panenkova: “They have a different character. They also take offense, but deep down. And all the anger spills out onto the rink. And I have the opposite. I told my mother: “I’m scared to go on the ice.” And I skated near the boards so that she would not see me and would not tease me. In the group, everyone was thin, flat – I was the only girl who formed quite early. I tried to hide my body so that nothing could be seen. And once, after some sharp joke, I broke and started to cry. Daniil Gleikhengauz even reassured me – Eteri Georgievna just wants you to be better.“
Honestly, everybody knows that training in Tutberidze‘s camp is tough. Even her own students say so. Some are better equipped to deal with this than others.
Some of the methods Daria described above seem unhealthy to me and do deserve attention. Does that mean no parents should send their kids to train with Tutberidze? Probably not. But they should have an active eye on them and be aware of the risks and rewards and decide themselves whether it‘s worth it in the end. Just my two cents.
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Участие Медведевой в московском этапе Кубка России под вопросом из-за проблем со спиной
Ранее фигуристка по медицинским показаниям снялась с этапа в Сызраниtass.ru
Medvedeva's participation in the Moscow stage of the Russian Cup is questionable due to back problems
But it seems this is not official yet
I‘d say it is, more or less. Usually, when the fed rushes to say: “we have absolutely no idea!!“ the rumours turn out to be true. I‘m sad. But in the end, it‘s not worth it to ruin her body for a season like this.
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I swear to god, none of you ever get tired to talk about this over and over again.
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I'm far from judging your preferences or life, I don't know anything about it, in fact. But using them like a closing argument in debate seems similar to a logical fallacy, to be honest.
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Ongoing invasion of Plushyboys and Plushygirls in this thread is slowly becoming unbearable.
Can't you guys at least wait for one senior gold medal from that school, before you take hits on the best fs coaching team in the world?
The way Tarakanova and Sakhanovich talked about the environment at Plushenko‘s, I‘d say there‘s cause for worry too. Also, could you all stop putting people in camps of either Tutberidze or Plushenko? We’re not in highschool. And for someone who dislikes the two about equally, this puts me in a pretty tough spot. In the end, I root for my favorite athletes. Which, among the Russian skaters, are Sasha and Aliona and Zhenya and Adelia Petrosyan. Oh, and Osokina. So, two from the Angels, two from Tutberidze and one from CSKA. Help me out - does that make me a Plushygirl or an Eteribot?
1. I hope Med doesn't participate. It was horrifying to hear that this was because TAT made her retrain a Biellmann.
2. I do have questions about Eteri's methods, that have been voiced ad nauseam.
3. Russian coaching does seem like it cares little about the athletes to me sometimes. I wish this aspect would improve, and I'm happy I've never heard anything bad about people like Davydov, Panova, and Rukaivcin.
4. At the same time, I'm curious why someone like Mie Hamada, despite there being concrete allegations against her from a very visible member of the skating community, doesn't get the same or in fact more scrutiny as Eteri. (ETA: on English speaking media, though a friend who spends time on Japanese skating Twitter says there's little scrutiny there, too).
That's hopefully my only contribution to this ever.
2. I do have questions about Eteri's methods, that have been voiced ad nauseam.
3. Russian coaching does seem like it cares little about the athletes to me sometimes. I wish this aspect would improve, and I'm happy I've never heard anything bad about people like Davydov, Panova, and Rukaivcin.
4. At the same time, I'm curious why someone like Mie Hamada, despite there being concrete allegations against her from a very visible member of the skating community, doesn't get the same or in fact more scrutiny as Eteri. (ETA: on English speaking media, though a friend who spends time on Japanese skating Twitter says there's little scrutiny there, too).
That's hopefully my only contribution to this ever.
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Well, it's pro sports. That often is difficult.
Figure skating weight control even is relatively mind. See boxing for example. Or anything with actual weight categories. They lose multiple kg overnight for the weighing.
I'm agreeing with you, by the way. When I saw the instagram update of Eteri's new(well, not so new by now) children's coach talking about her experiences when asking for the job and how when she was super nervous about talking about it with Eteri, some of the little skaters reassured her that Eteri's really nice and that everything will go fine it made me wonder why things like that are never talked about.
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I've read numerous interviews with Daria (incl. the one where she described her leaving in details, for instance). And I've read this one too.
Much problems here come from the fact that people with nearly zero experience with training or coaching judge professionals how they should do their job. It's like when people get their "knowledge" let's say about investigation from the movies and TV series and they would want to tell the police how they should do their work. It's not that coaches are untouchable, but sometimes I must laugh at what some people consider "unhealthy". Remember I am against humiliating, violence etc., but more than often it seems to me that many people completely lost all the discernment. E.g. the weighing thing - it was talked countless times here. Athletes, apart from chessplayers, perhaps, watch their weight. There's nothing weird about it.
Eteri's camp is tough. I think Eteri herself would be the last one to deny it, but it's tough and tough. I doubt training of people like Phelps (that's not allusion to the recent documentary), Jordan, Bolt and countless other champions wasn't tough. And it's not just sport. Anyone who wants to excell in any worthy area of a human activity, art, science, work, must know what tough mean. The question is only whether it is tough in a reasonable and effective way.
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That... doesn‘t make any of it better, though? Just because in other sports the cultures‘s worse doesn’t mean the way things are happening in skating is okay. Pro sports is tough but I do think it’s possible to have nutritionists for those athletes and not just tell them to “lose a kilo, I don‘t care how you do it“. Especially if they are children going through an already difficult phase in their careers and lives. And again - the issues‘s prevalent everywhere, not just in Russian skating. Which is why this deserves more attention rather than just brushing it off as “that‘s just the way sport is“. Imo, this is a potentially pretty damaging attitude.
But then, I‘ve had too many discussions about this and it’s not exactly a topic that should be discussed in the RLT. I was - admittedly - just annoyed by someone presenting half-baked facts as the whole truth.
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Please no defamation! The exact opposite is the case! Not I have presented a personal point of view as fact, but you. I only pointed out that your conclusion "If they return there, it actually doesn't seem to be hell on earth" is erroneous and then I provides an example to prove it. I consciously chose an extreme example, because what works in extreme situations also works with ease in less extreme situations. I didn't say a single word about "positive statements about Titberidze".
Please just stick to the truth.
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Not really wanting to go into this, but you also cut out parts, conveniently taking it out of context (which I understand might be partly due to language/translation issues, but still).
Daria also said that she generally was really easily offended at that age, at anything, not just jokes, and hearing those jokes now she would just laugh at them.
Regarding food, it seems like she wasn’t really motivated to eat healthy herself, judging by her saying that “when the training was over, the fridge opened”, and that she was just plain tired of eating boiled chicken breast and wanted a little chocolate. I understand that completely. Especially at that age, restricting yourself to boring food like that would be very difficult.
Her mom seems pretty intense with diet, that part sounded kind of rough.
she also said that Eteri never took it well, when there were drastic weight changes, because she knows that can’t be right.
if you’re a pro athlete, I’d say quite often they have to stick to strict diet regimes. Like Rika, she measures and rations all her food every day. It will be a lot of sad boring meals, probably most of them not enjoyable at all, but that’s a price all of them have to pay.
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