JGP # 4 in Tallinn (EST)
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Detailed protocols for the Ladies are published: http://www.isufs.org/results/jgpest2007/
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Gosh, I hope Lenko/Islam hang on to a medal here. Does anyone know if a bronze here combined with their silver in Lake Placid would be enough to get them into the JGP final? How many dance teams are in the final, anyways?
Isn't it the top 8 point earners that go to the JGP Final? So I suppose sometimes 2 silvers might be enough, and it really depends on the circumstances. If many teams earn 2 golds or a gold and a silver, it reduces chances for the others...
Kypma
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Yuki Nishino....? Has she already been in a JGP this season? If not, does anyone know her next assignment?
I think she's one skater to watch.
Joe
I think she's one skater to watch.
Joe
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Hi! I think she's fresh from Novice and this is her first JGP,
She seems to be another jumping bean.
I'm surprised her layback spin got a Level 4 plus 2points.
Somehow, she remainds me of "young Arakawa".
FYI
-Yuki Nishino Asia Trophy 2007 SP
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=8QAzOEQnIcM
-Yuki Nishino 2007 Asian Trophy FS
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=eEYv7S-lz7E&mode=related&search=
Wow, thanks for the video. She's quite impressive, and very similar to Mao's style. A fast skater, nice spring in her jumps and also an excellent spinner. Wow.
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yay to Jinlin Guan and Chao Yang of China for medalingHope to see more of them in the future.
Well at least Jinlin Guan has qualified for the Final with 28 points.
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Thanks, Kypma. I guess i'll just have to wait and see. I really do hope they make it. I think they have potential. Last season Kaitlyn Weaver/Andrew Poje (CAN) just missed the final, and they won two bronzes. On a different note, I read on the skate Canada website that Diane Smiett (sp?) (good for her, BTW, to move up from 14th after the short) landede a triple triple combo. Is this true? If it is, good for her, because other than Rochette, who's 3/3 hasn't made an appearance in 2 seasons, none of our other Sr. ladies can land those in competition.
The protocol did say Diane tried a triple toe - triple toe combo in the long but the second triple was deemed underrotated by the caller. It is nice to see that she went for it however. She did land 2 triple lutzes in the long as well.
Too bad she really bombed the short. She popped the loop into a single and fell on the lutz and the lutz was deemed underrotated.
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Thanks for the info, nadster. I think it's great that she at least takes the risk. As for the other results, congratz to Velenosi/Fernandez. Too bad they couldn't hold it together for the win, sice they were less than a point under in the short, but a silver is a great way to start the season for them. As for Lenko/Islam, i'm happy they won the bronze, albiet probably by default, since they placed 5th, 4th and 4th in the CD, OD and FD. It's a shame , because I thought they had a shot at winning here. Looking at the protocols, it seems to be their PC marks that are holding them back more than anything else. Good for Chock/Zuetrlien, though. I've seen them live and they're very entertaining and technically capable. It seems that North America is dominating ice dance this season in the JGP's. The US has won three of the events and a bronze, and Canada won the other gold, along with a silver and now a bronze. Canada's done well in pairs too, with gold and silver in Lake Placid and a silver here, while the US had had incredible showings in the singles events. I never expected North America to have this type of dominance in these events.
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The pairs result is out.
http://www.isufs.org/results/jgpest2007/cat003rs.htm
Looks like the Chinese pair Yue Zhang/Lei Wang I recommended a while ago did really well. They won the free skate and jumped from the 7th place after short to a podium finish. If they were competing in the last group, they would have probabaly won the event.
All of their big elements except twist are senior level. 3T, 2A+1A+SEQ(should be 2A+2A), 3STh, 3TTh.
Three photos of this pair.
http://photo7.hexun.com/p/2007/0815/120840/b_B09A74C39DECC64F69237D767209B2D4.jpg
http://photo7.hexun.com/p/2007/0815/121108/b_BF366C4B6FB7DFF452F82596C0D5CDFD.jpg
http://photo7.hexun.com/p/2007/0818/121802/b_C29CF00BC6E0127BCFD3E0DD387CDB6C.jpg
It is said Bin Yao really likes them and believes they resemble the younger Z/Z. Keep a close eye on this pair.
http://www.isufs.org/results/jgpest2007/cat003rs.htm
Looks like the Chinese pair Yue Zhang/Lei Wang I recommended a while ago did really well. They won the free skate and jumped from the 7th place after short to a podium finish. If they were competing in the last group, they would have probabaly won the event.
All of their big elements except twist are senior level. 3T, 2A+1A+SEQ(should be 2A+2A), 3STh, 3TTh.
Three photos of this pair.
http://photo7.hexun.com/p/2007/0815/120840/b_B09A74C39DECC64F69237D767209B2D4.jpg
http://photo7.hexun.com/p/2007/0815/121108/b_BF366C4B6FB7DFF452F82596C0D5CDFD.jpg
http://photo7.hexun.com/p/2007/0818/121802/b_C29CF00BC6E0127BCFD3E0DD387CDB6C.jpg
It is said Bin Yao really likes them and believes they resemble the younger Z/Z. Keep a close eye on this pair.
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The ISU has published updated JGP standings with the results from Estonia added to the lists. In dance, Samuelson/Bates lead, Lenko/Islam are second, Crone/Poirier are third, and Chock/Zuerlien are fourth. This pretty much demonstrates what I mentioned in my previous post. I would love to see all four of these teams battle it out for medals in the final. In pairs, Khodkova/Slusarenko and first, Sheremetieva/Kusnetsov are second, Jones/Jackson are third, Velenosi/Fernandez are fourth and MacCuish Evans are fifth. In mens, it's Jinlin Guan, Chao Yang, Adam Rippon, and Brandon Morz in that order. In ladies, it's Mirai Nagasu, Rachel Flatt, Yuki Noshino, and Chrissy Hughes in that order. It will be interesting to see how these standings change with the next few events.
For what it's worth, here are the top scoring skaters so far in each discipline. For those that have had two events, I listed the highest one. Placements in parenthesis.
Dance:
1. Samuelson & Bates (USA) - 171.84 ( 1 - USA; 1 - Vienna)*
2. Monko & Tkachenko (RUS) - 169.23 (2 - Vienna)
3. Crone & Poirier (CAN) -159.87 (1- Romania)
4. Riazanova & Guerreiro (RUS) - 151.93 (2 - Romania)
5. Chock & Zuerlin (USA) - 150.99 (1 - Estonia)
6. Agafonova & Dun (UKR) - 144.41 (2 - Estonia)
7. Pajardi & Caruso (ITA) - 143.45 (3 - Vienna)
8. Lenko & Islam (CAN) - 142.79 ( 2 - Lake Placid; 3 - Estonia)**
9. Monko & Khaliavin (RUS) - 141.33 (3 - Romania)
10. Vykhodtseva & Shumski (UKR) - 141.02 (4 - Vienna)
* This score is from Vienna
** This score is from Lake Placida
Ladies:
1. Mirai Nagasu (USA) - 159.14 (1- USA)
2. Rachael Flatt (USA) - 154.65 (1-Vienna)
3. Yuki Nishino (JPN) - 144.12 (1 - Estonia)
4. Kristine Musademba (USA) - 137.16 - (2 - Vienna)
5. Alexe Gilles (USA) - 132.67 (2 - USA)
6. Chrissy Hughes (USA) - 128.80 (1 - Romania)
7. Blake Rosenthal (USA) - 127.67 (2 - Estonia)
8. Alena Leonova (RUS) - 126.50 (2 - Romania)
9. Jenni Vähämaa (FIN) - 125.43 (3 - Vienna)
10. Svetlana Issakova (EST) - 124.28 (3 - Estonia)
Men:
1. Adam Rippon (USA) -185.94 - (1 - Romania)
2. Brandon Mroz (USA) - 185.33 - (1 - Vienna)
3. Jinlin Guan (CHN) - 184.81 - (1 - Estonia, 2 - Vienna)*
4. Artem Borodulin (RUS) - 175.48 (3 - Vienna)
5. Artur Gachinski (RUS) - 170.83 (2 - Estonia)
6. Chao Yang (CHN) - 166.60 (3 - Estonia, 5 - Vienna)*
7. Adrian Schultheiss (SWE) - 166.46 (4 - Vienna)
8. Ivan Bariev (RUS) - 166.92 (2 - Romania)
9. Armin Mahbanoozadeh (USA) - 165.58 (1 - USA)
10. Douglas Razzano (USA) - 157.55 (4 - Estonia)
* Scores are both from the Estonia GP
Adrian Schultheiss was really unfortunate - his score would have won Lake Placid and medaled at any other event. Luck of the draw, I guess. Same for Douglas Razzano, he could have medalled at either USA (silver) or Romania (bronze).
Pairs:
1. Sheremetieva & Kuznetsov (RUS) - 127.69 (1 - Estonia)
2. Velenosi & Fernandez (CAN) - 125.36 (2 - Estonia)
3. Zhang & Wang (CHN) - 123.77 (3 - Estonia)
4. Jones & Jackson (CAN) - 122.27 (1 - USA)
5. McCuish & Evans (CAN) - 119.40 (2 - USA)
6. Pflumm & Pottenger (USA) - 118.55 (4 - Estonia)
7. Khodkova & Sluisarenko (RUS) - 116.93 (3 - USA, 5 - Estonia)
8. Sergevja & Glebov (EST) - 116.84 (6 - Estonia)
9. Dong & Wu (CHN) - 116.61 (7 - Estonia)
10. Steele & Johnson (CAN) - 116.84 (8 - Estonia)
The events were incredibly unbalanced. Khodkova & Sliusarenko won bronze at Lake Placid, but the score I posted above is from Estonia. In fact, any of the couples who finished 4th to 8th in Estonia would have won bronze at Lake Placid.
Dance:
1. Samuelson & Bates (USA) - 171.84 ( 1 - USA; 1 - Vienna)*
2. Monko & Tkachenko (RUS) - 169.23 (2 - Vienna)
3. Crone & Poirier (CAN) -159.87 (1- Romania)
4. Riazanova & Guerreiro (RUS) - 151.93 (2 - Romania)
5. Chock & Zuerlin (USA) - 150.99 (1 - Estonia)
6. Agafonova & Dun (UKR) - 144.41 (2 - Estonia)
7. Pajardi & Caruso (ITA) - 143.45 (3 - Vienna)
8. Lenko & Islam (CAN) - 142.79 ( 2 - Lake Placid; 3 - Estonia)**
9. Monko & Khaliavin (RUS) - 141.33 (3 - Romania)
10. Vykhodtseva & Shumski (UKR) - 141.02 (4 - Vienna)
* This score is from Vienna
** This score is from Lake Placida
Ladies:
1. Mirai Nagasu (USA) - 159.14 (1- USA)
2. Rachael Flatt (USA) - 154.65 (1-Vienna)
3. Yuki Nishino (JPN) - 144.12 (1 - Estonia)
4. Kristine Musademba (USA) - 137.16 - (2 - Vienna)
5. Alexe Gilles (USA) - 132.67 (2 - USA)
6. Chrissy Hughes (USA) - 128.80 (1 - Romania)
7. Blake Rosenthal (USA) - 127.67 (2 - Estonia)
8. Alena Leonova (RUS) - 126.50 (2 - Romania)
9. Jenni Vähämaa (FIN) - 125.43 (3 - Vienna)
10. Svetlana Issakova (EST) - 124.28 (3 - Estonia)
Men:
1. Adam Rippon (USA) -185.94 - (1 - Romania)
2. Brandon Mroz (USA) - 185.33 - (1 - Vienna)
3. Jinlin Guan (CHN) - 184.81 - (1 - Estonia, 2 - Vienna)*
4. Artem Borodulin (RUS) - 175.48 (3 - Vienna)
5. Artur Gachinski (RUS) - 170.83 (2 - Estonia)
6. Chao Yang (CHN) - 166.60 (3 - Estonia, 5 - Vienna)*
7. Adrian Schultheiss (SWE) - 166.46 (4 - Vienna)
8. Ivan Bariev (RUS) - 166.92 (2 - Romania)
9. Armin Mahbanoozadeh (USA) - 165.58 (1 - USA)
10. Douglas Razzano (USA) - 157.55 (4 - Estonia)
* Scores are both from the Estonia GP
Adrian Schultheiss was really unfortunate - his score would have won Lake Placid and medaled at any other event. Luck of the draw, I guess. Same for Douglas Razzano, he could have medalled at either USA (silver) or Romania (bronze).
Pairs:
1. Sheremetieva & Kuznetsov (RUS) - 127.69 (1 - Estonia)
2. Velenosi & Fernandez (CAN) - 125.36 (2 - Estonia)
3. Zhang & Wang (CHN) - 123.77 (3 - Estonia)
4. Jones & Jackson (CAN) - 122.27 (1 - USA)
5. McCuish & Evans (CAN) - 119.40 (2 - USA)
6. Pflumm & Pottenger (USA) - 118.55 (4 - Estonia)
7. Khodkova & Sluisarenko (RUS) - 116.93 (3 - USA, 5 - Estonia)
8. Sergevja & Glebov (EST) - 116.84 (6 - Estonia)
9. Dong & Wu (CHN) - 116.61 (7 - Estonia)
10. Steele & Johnson (CAN) - 116.84 (8 - Estonia)
The events were incredibly unbalanced. Khodkova & Sliusarenko won bronze at Lake Placid, but the score I posted above is from Estonia. In fact, any of the couples who finished 4th to 8th in Estonia would have won bronze at Lake Placid.
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Thanks for the run down, Oleada. Now can anyone tell me how many leading contestants are officially permitted in the GPF? I believe it is 8 but too lazy to look it up.
Trying to figure out how the total placings would give contestants the nod to the Final.
And yes, Oleada. I think the Feds should try to play the strategy game.
Joe
Trying to figure out how the total placings would give contestants the nod to the Final.
And yes, Oleada. I think the Feds should try to play the strategy game.
Joe
It is the top eight. You can see the leading contestants here:
http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsmen.htm
http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsladies.htm
http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgppairs.htm
http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsdance.htm
The ISU uses placement, not score, but I like looking at both.
Oh, and I totally agree about the strategy game. I guess it's harder to do for Junior GPs than Senior ones. But I noticed in the Senior assignments that Canada was pretty good at it, and the US was well...not.
http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsmen.htm
http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsladies.htm
http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgppairs.htm
http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsdance.htm
The ISU uses placement, not score, but I like looking at both.
Oh, and I totally agree about the strategy game. I guess it's harder to do for Junior GPs than Senior ones. But I noticed in the Senior assignments that Canada was pretty good at it, and the US was well...not.
FYI, I've reposted and replied to some of the informational posts above in the "JGP results/point standings" thread at: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17437&page=2
Thanks for the info! Here's what 'Eislauffan' posted about the two Chinese pairs' short programs and free skates in Estonia:
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