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Well, all these years Aliona being with Eteri didn't stop her from being rude. Shayuki hated Aliona since as long as I follow this thread, so around late 2017.
Saying she has no musicality(which she does not) is not hating her. I prefer her over numerous skaters.

Yes, I've thought she has no musicality since I first saw her. It's not some "oh no she left eteri let me hate her"-thing.

But I have an issue with someone trying to say that the very musical Valieva has nothing over her when it comes to artistry. It makes me wonder whether we watch or hear the same thing. Mind, most skaters don't have musicality. So it's not really a huge knock on her. But is one in comparison to someone like Valieva.

My opinion on Kostornaya's not really changed a whole lot. Well trained. Great coordination. Beautiful, graceful movements. No musicality.
 
I really don't understand the outcry here. Problem with todays Sasha's performance is clear to me - she wanted to include 3A in her programme, which because wasn't performed clean gave her just one point more than what double axel would gave her. She also messed up her flip edge and her combo spin. So, basically only one jumping element is performed on the highest level. And by being messy she lost some points in components too. Comparing to that, and im talking from my impression from watching them in a real time, Kamila and Daria programme looked pristine and clean, with great spins. If Sasha was working on her other elements instead of a 3A and skated them clean and on a higher level, she would with a 2A score over 80 points too :shrug:
You can already see the improvements in the other areas of her skating but it looks like she still trying to win simply by out jumping everyone rather then putting together a complete presentation cleanly. Her mindset remains all about doing the most difficult jumps. It was that mindset that hurt her more then anything last season and the reason why some people (myself included) wondered if moving to Plushkenko was the right thing knowing his claim to fame was mainly his jumps.

Of course it's still way too early to make judgement on the Trusova/Plushkenko partnership but so far the worries aren't exactly being erased
 
I find it kind of interesting that Stasya was scored very generously as a junior and her first senior year, especially on all domestic competitions, she was also pushed for GPs and challengers more, than some other more deserving skaters (my personal opinion), but last year it changed it looks like. Tbh, I was never a big fan of her skating and never understood what made her score so well. Her crossovers really bug me for some reason, so does her posture and her arms.
It's not just your opinion. Everything you said did happen.

But I think her career may be reborn at PA. Stanislava has been through a lot a lot of ups and downs. I want to see her do well. She is 20 and now is the time for her.
 
Kamila about her SP
- I have a new short program. I can say that compared to the test skates, I already feel it more. The program is about a bird that is in a cage, rushes, wants to break free, to fly and, in the end, it succeeds. That's what I'm trying to show. That's why the dress is like this, the colors are chosen – white, sky blue… When I first saw the dress, I really liked it, it was so beautiful! And when you like the costume, it adds emotion and confidence. (GT)
 
You’re wrong. Aliona is very fast, and her edges are very deep too. She’s so masterful, I don’t get the outrage about 89 points. I would’ve given that to her internationally too. Everything she does is a +5 for me.
Alëna has great skating skills, there is no denying that. But her speed? I don't know... I think Eteri and her minions was very good in packaging her and masquerading her (lack of) speed so it didn't show. But that's just my opnion. Overall, Alëna really is a fantastic skater.
 
Alëna has great skating skills, there is no denying that. But her speed? I don't know... I think Eteri and her minions was very good in packaging her and masquerading her (lack of) speed so it didn't show. But that's just my opnion. Overall, Alëna really is a fantastic skater.
Having great skating skills doesn't make you fast and having poor skills doesn't make you slow. The two don't always go hand and hand and it is possible to have great skating skills but not be fast. Michelle Kwan was another example of such
 
You can already see the improvements in the other areas of her skating but it looks like she still trying to win simply by out jumping everyone rather then putting together a complete presentation cleanly. Her mindset remains all about doing the most difficult jumps. It was that mindset that hurt her more then anything last season and the reason why some people (myself included) wondered if moving to Plushkenko was the right thing knowing his claim to fame was mainly his jumps.

Of course it's still way too early to make judgement on the Trusova/Plushkenko partnership but so far the worries aren't exactly being erased

I agree with you. In my opinion, Sasha's problem is not the coaching team but her own mindset towards the sport. She has to except that figure skating consists of jumps/technique + performing in front of a lot of people. Sometimes in her programs, I am even on the verge to feel offended by seeing how less she cares about making an effort to show some emotions or at least understanding of the music and her own movements. Especially, when she has shown that she is capable of it (I mean the lyrical exhibition program from the time she was still with Eteri). Not every skater is gifted to perform, but even the juniors that are insecure try and make effort to be involved with their choreography and to therefore deliver something nice to the crowd.
So, this "failed" SP isn't entirely Plushenko's fault. He can and probably will improve her jumping technique in order to stabilize her ultra-c elements. Even though in his prime time as a skater, he was "all about technical scores", I think he still was a great performer and liked the attention of the audience. Even her StepSeq/Choreo feels very much like him - big, energetic and passionate. Its just up to Sasha to commit..
 
Having great skating skills doesn't make you fast and having poor skills doesn't make you slow. The two don't always go hand and hand and it is possible to have great skating skills but not be fast. Michelle Kwan was another example of such
Exactly. I had forgotten about Kwan. She was reaaaaally slow.
 
Kamila about her SP
- I have a new short program. I can say that compared to the test skates, I already feel it more. The program is about a bird that is in a cage, rushes, wants to break free, to fly and, in the end, it succeeds. That's what I'm trying to show. That's why the dress is like this, the colors are chosen – white, sky blue… When I first saw the dress, I really liked it, it was so beautiful! And when you like the costume, it adds emotion and confidence. (GT)
I wasn't a big fan of the dress, but reading Kamila's own words about it helps me understand the choice more. It's like with Kostornaia's Free last season, I didn't take to it much at first, but then she explained that it was something she liked and wanted, and it made me understand and appreciate them sharing something about themselves that they enjoy.
 

before it is gone

mask and social distancing discipline was seriously lacking and there might be repercussions.
one super-spreader could ruin the whole of Russian figure skating
Fans should be required to wear a mask indoors and so should the athletes and coaches in kiss and cry even the queen of coaches should abide by this.

I don't want to see anyone get sick with covid-19 or anything else. The prime minister of a major country got covid-19 and almost died from it and a certain president get covid-19 then everybody is vulnerable because those people have the best doctors and medical status in the world working with them.

If I'm not mistaken the first ladies of two major North American countries also had or have covid-19. Even though these athletes are young and super fit they are not immune. Look at all the NFL football players that have gotten covid-19 in recent months. Scary.
 
The Russians can have a Yuna Kim at the next Olympics, but they prefer to have another Sotnikova!
Sorry, but who is the Russian Yuna Kim?

EDIT: Also, as far as I remember, since I wasnt watching FS during the 2014 Olympics, Sotnikova literally emerged from juniors, turned into Russian National Champion and won the Olympics, mostly due to judges support? None of the top girls, who skated today, match to this association. They all have been established as favourites at least for the past 1-2 seasons already..
 
I agree with you. In my opinion, Sasha's problem is not the coaching team but her own mindset towards the sport. She has to except that figure skating consists of jumps/technique + performing in front of a lot of people. Sometimes in her programs, I am even on the verge to feel offended by seeing how less she cares about making an effort to show some emotions or at least understanding of the music and her own movements. Especially, when she has shown that she is capable of it (I mean the lyrical exhibition program from the time she was still with Eteri). Not every skater is gifted to perform, but even the juniors that are insecure try and make effort to be involved with their choreography and to therefore deliver something nice to the crowd.
So, this "failed" SP isn't entirely Plushenko's fault. He can and probably will improve her jumping technique in order to stabilize her ultra-c elements. Even though in his prime time as a skater, he was "all about technical scores", I think he still was a great performer and liked the attention of the audience. Even her StepSeq/Choreo feels very much like him - big, energetic and passionate. Its just up to Sasha to commit..
I also think that Trusova might have problems with her performing nerves. She landed that 3A in warm-up, but then it wasn't clean when it mattered. How many times didn't we see last season Sasha performing her run-throughs clean-ish, and then at competition she always had at least one fall.

Compare that to Shcherbakova, who always seem to have terrible warm-ups. Many times last season we saw her fall on every quad attempt, but then she landed it when it mattered. Typical example of this was RusNats last season. Trusova's warm-up was good, Shcherbakova's wasn't, and we all know how that ended.

This is a very important factor in figure skating. I remember my old favourite skater Butyrskaya back in the day, always struggling with nerves at competitions, but in the end she managed to turn that around and win the Worlds in '99.
 
The great Yevgeniy Viktorovich already knows how to appeal to the world over perceived inadequacy from the judges: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGKutiEKtv9/

Addressing his precious skater like a little girl, Aleksandra herself and her parents really fall for these kind of mind games at the expense of their daughter's chances tomorrow?
 
Kamila about her SP
- I have a new short program. I can say that compared to the test skates, I already feel it more. The program is about a bird that is in a cage, rushes, wants to break free, to fly and, in the end, it succeeds. That's what I'm trying to show. That's why the dress is like this, the colors are chosen – white, sky blue… When I first saw the dress, I really liked it, it was so beautiful! And when you like the costume, it adds emotion and confidence. (GT)
Interesting that she says that, because for me I think her test skates performance was much better. I think they made some adjustments to the choreography between then and now, and now some things aren't timed to the music as well as they were before. For example, they took out the turns (I don't know the technical term lol) before the 2A which, along with the jump, were timed SO well to the music before. The spiral before the combo isn't on the beat anymore, and she lands the combo on the second flourish of the music rather than the first (which I still like).

That being said, it's still an exquisite program that, in my opinion, is superior to last year's short in every way. I don't know if I'd call it a masterpiece quite yet, but ask me again after Junior Worlds and my opinion will probably have changed :laugh:
 
Alyona is the best ever after Yuna.

Aliona is an exquisite skater. It is just weird to make such a comparison between her and Kamila, since their skating in particular is very similar. They have both big jumps with long coverage, easy transitions in and out, skating skills on par. Kamila probably better at one foot skating, Aliona at edges and gliding. Both have very good spins. So, your association might have sounded cool but in reality is a really bad joke..
 
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