Coaches' Corner

[readernick]

I still don‘t get what the big deal is overall. So what if Plushenko offered Aliona and Sasha to join him? So what if Eteri asked Kanysheva? They‘re promoting their schools/academies and if they believe they have the best possible conditions for an athlete, why not tell them as such? No one‘s forced to join. I might be missing something but this whole poaching business confuses me. The athletes will make their decisions independently anyway, no matter what they‘re offered. If you‘re happy with your coaches and think they can lead you to victories, you won‘t leave. So...obviously this wasn‘t the case for Sasha and Aliona (or Kanysheva). It‘s not like either Eteri or Plushenko “stole“ them. They made an offer that was accepted. Simple as that. Happens all the time, everywhere.

This is exactly the point, and it makes all the "drama" completely senseless. I don't have a lot of love for figure skating coaches worldwide (far too little focus on student's health and far too much attention on results only), but I have never heard any other country's coaches creating drama when their students left them. Even Mie Hamada (hardly a paragon of coaching virtue) accepts her student's departure with grace. Russian coaches need to get over themselves

 

[Fluture]

Even Mie Hamada (hardly a paragon of coaching virtue) accepts her student's departure with grace.

Well, but to be fair, she might have different reasons for that.... I have a feeling she and her team are trying to sweep all the accusations under the rug. So, drawing attention to herself by being dramatic over students leaving would be the last thing she‘d do right now. I might be wrong about that, though, idk.

I think it’s interesting (and pretty sad) that there’s not as much discussion about her actions as a whole. From what I’ve read she did some pretty horrible stuff and all her students are leaving her left and right....

Edit: as for the only Russian coaches create drama. Well, Brian was rather dramatic when Yuna left him, I‘d say. That was one big mess and he came out of it looking petty and unprofessional. The difference is just that he learned from it and has acted better recently. Russian coaches don’t seem to do the same.

I am not worked up, tf?

You‘re... not? Good for you.

Yup, the whole discussion is irrelevant. Obviously so. (the only thing I’m taking away from it is that we have a vastly different idea of which behavior is acceptable for teachers and people in position of power over kids lol) But if you weren‘t interested at all, it might have been better to ignore the post entirely, instead of arguing against it only to then ignore all following arguments. Might have saved us both some time. Anyways: Have a good day.

 

[anonymoose_au]

I think it’s interesting (and pretty sad) that there’s not as much discussion about her actions as a whole. From what I’ve read she did some pretty horrible stuff and all her students are leaving her left and right....

Indeed, I was shocked when I read it...I mean pulling students around by their hair? It's scary to think a person would do that without knowing it to be wrong.

 

[mdl]

I still don‘t get what the big deal is overall. So what if Plushenko offered Aliona and Sasha to join him? So what if Eteri asked Kanysheva? They‘re promoting their schools/academies and if they believe they have the best possible conditions for an athlete, why not tell them as such? No one‘s forced to join. I might be missing something but this whole poaching business confuses me. The athletes will make their decisions independently anyway, no matter what they‘re offered. If you‘re happy with your coaches and think they can lead you to victories, you won‘t leave. So...obviously this wasn‘t the case for Sasha and Aliona (or Kanysheva). It‘s not like either Eteri or Plushenko “stole“ them. They made an offer that was accepted. Simple as that. Happens all the time, everywhere.

Exactly and completely agree with you!!

 

[yume]

Well, but to be fair, she might have different reasons for that.... I have a feeling she and her team are trying to sweep all the accusations under the rug. So, drawing attention to herself by being dramatic over students leaving would be the last thing she‘d do right now. I might be wrong about that, though, idk.

I think it’s interesting (and pretty sad) that there’s not as much discussion about her actions as a whole. From what I’ve read she did some pretty horrible stuff and all her students are leaving her left and right....

Edit: as for the only Russian coaches create drama. Well, Brian was rather dramatic when Yuna left him, I‘d say. That was one big mess and he came out of it looking petty and unprofessional. The difference is just that he learned from it and has acted better recently. Russian coaches don’t seem to do the same.

Her name isn't Eteri Tutberidze. If it was, there would have been a petition signed worldwide to remove her from coaching.

With the current legal proceedings, i wonder if she still works as much as before or if it is Yamato Tamura who is managing the house.

 

[readernick]

Her name isn't Eteri Tutberidze. If it was, there would have been a petition signed worldwide to remove her from coaching.

With the current legal proceedings, i wonder if she still works as much as before or if it is Yamato Tamura who is managing the house.

She should be banned. Honestly, though, I think her methods are surprising/sadly common in figure skating so other officials aren't exactly excited to call for accountability.

 

[anonymoose_au]

What on earth is going on in this thread?

We've fallen into the rabbit hole and perhaps drunk some weird potions

 

[Magill]

I’m not telling anyone she’s a Snape. I’m just commenting that Snape was actually a good guy in the story.
God, his bullying consisted of not giving Griffindor best scores, gee, so mean.
Meanwhile even in the first book we find out he was trying to save Harry from spells of Squirrel during that quidditch match.
But calling your kid after a “bully” is def a sign that an abused baby Harry just did it cause he’s so abused. Come on. He wasn’t meant to be a one dimensional character. If he was nice teacher in class AND literally the savior of those kids, it would be plain stupid.

I disagree that that’s what Rowling was trying to say.
The moral of the story is that truly mean people often can present as very nice on the exterior, like Squirrel, Lockhart, those kinds of examples were there to show early on this juxtaposition. And truly good people can often seem as “bad” until we know them better.

Lockhart is nice???? He's plainly ridiculous egotistic narcissist far down on his ego trip from his first scene in the books. You call it nice?

Snape is neither just good, or just bad. He's a complicated many-dimensional tragic character. A victim of kid bullying taking it hard on kids as an adult teacher and bullying them himself for a psychological revenge. No, not just taking points off Gryffindor. His relationship to Harry is very well a love-hate relationship. Yes, he saves him in the end (and a couple of times along the way) but is truly toxic and abusive along the same way, too. Not just pretending. Sincerely cruel and mean. The positive outcome does not erase the abuse, although it makes it easier to forgive.

I wonder whether it is not the mixture of such love-hate relationships and this "results erase abuse" attitude that boil under the surface of the current coaching drama debate as well.

 

[nussnacker]

Lockhart is nice???? He's plainly ridiculous egotistic narcissist far down on his ego trip from his first scene in the books. You call it nice?

Snape is neither just good, or just bad. He's a complicated many-dimensional tragic character. A victim of kid bullying taking it hard on kids as an adult teacher and bullying them himself for a psychological revenge. No, not just taking points off Gryffindor. His relationship to Harry is very well a love-hate relationship. Yes, he saves him in the end (and a couple of times along the way) but is truly toxic and abusive along the same way, too. Not just pretending. Sincerely cruel and mean. The positive outcome does not erase the abuse, although it makes it easier to forgive.

I wonder whether it is not the mixture of such love-hate relationships and this "results erase abuse" attitude that boil under the surface of the current coaching drama debate as well.

I can’t believe how passionate people are about some fictional characters
Lokhart was initially perceived as a rather nice and kind person, as a hero, inventor, he had armys of fans, was loved by everyone, including main characters, even up to last minute. We then start to learn little by little what he truly is and it finishes off with a grand finale of him revealing who he truly is. That’s the story.
The rest I’m not even going to bother poor Rowling knowingly had her main character name his kid after his abuser, yeah, that’s the message of the book.

 

[yume]

Panova is interesting.
She teaches good basics. Most of her (Sinistyna, Tarakanova, Kanysheva) students have good SS, decent jumps, no glaring edge issues on flip or lutz. But she never went in seniors with one of her pupils.
Sotskova went to CSKA after her last junior season, Kanysheva went to Tutberidze, Tarakanova too before coming back and leaving again. Frolova went to CSKA. Sinistyna's near future doesn't look bright. Seems like she's more seen like a developpement coach than anything else.
And i don't know the wealth of her club , what they can afford or not but she isn't dealing well with injuries. Her skaters always get injured in the 2nd part of the season or at the end of it.
Sotskova missed her 1st JWC because she got injured after winning jgpf and silver at junior nats (and that's how Medvedva got in the team for JWC).
Kanysheva got an injury in her 1st junior season, injury which became a career-ending injury because of lack of good diagnosis.
Tarakanova got injured during her last junior season thus missed nats.
Sinistyna got injured and is now missing her first senior season.
I don't know what is the problem but good skaters that can become big things in seniors are missing oppotunities because of that.

 

[Skatesocs]

Mishin + Panova = OTP

 

[yume]

Lockhart is nice???? He's plainly ridiculous egotistic narcissist far down on his ego trip from his first scene in the books. You call it nice?

Snape is neither just good, or just bad. He's a complicated many-dimensional tragic character. A victim of kid bullying taking it hard on kids as an adult teacher and bullying them himself for a psychological revenge. No, not just taking points off Gryffindor. His relationship to Harry is very well a love-hate relationship. Yes, he saves him in the end (and a couple of times along the way) but is truly toxic and abusive along the same way, too. Not just pretending. Sincerely cruel and mean. The positive outcome does not erase the abuse, although it makes it easier to forgive.

I wonder whether it is not the mixture of such love-hate relationships and this "results erase abuse" attitude that boil under the surface of the current coaching drama debate as well.

This looks like an AO3 fanfic.

 

[nussnacker]

Panova has been sick with Coronavirus for the past 2 months I believe.

 

[Skatesocs]

translate OTP

"One true pairing". Because I think it would make a remarkable team to combine Mishin jumps with Panova's PCS development.

 

[nussnacker]

"One true pairing". Because I think it would make a remarkable team to combine Mishin jumps with Panova's PCS development.

Add consistency from Eteri and we’ve got a coach Avengers team.

 

[Edwin]

haven't we seen Panova with a french skater in that France event about a fortnight ago?
Or was it Nebelhorn?
I remember seeing her no too long ago in a competition but cannot find the exact memory back.

 

[Skatesocs]

Add consistency from Eteri and we’ve got a coach Avengers team.

OT3!

 

[yume]

haven't we seen Panova with a french skater in that France event about a fortnight ago?

The Russian who became French? If she still is with snow leopards, Panova got one senior lady after all.

 

[TeamGubanova]

Which event?
I know you are not referring to Shabotova in Budapest, because you were with us in the competition thread.

No She is talking about Anna Kuzmenko I think

 

[yume]

Add consistency from Eteri and we’ve got a coach Avengers team.

Mishin: Captain America
Panova: Black widow
Eteri: Iron man