2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[CrazyKittenLady]

It was invalidated because she did 1 1/2 turns before going into the 2A. You are allowed to turn a maximum of one rotation on the ice after landing the jump and then to do your combo, if you rotate more the combo gets invalidated.

Ahh, ok that explains it, thanks for the clarification!

 

[Jontor]

You have overlooked Kostornaia in your list, so there are actually seven prominent ladies who have yet to compete - just for the people who are now starting to make their calculations and predictions of who will make it to RusNats.

I know. But I don't think there is any risk that Kostornaia won't show up. The other six might not even compete, that's why I listed them. But you're right. It might confuse people so I've changed the wording.

 

[Azikin]

Awwww, sounds like Anna misses the times when they traveled and competed together with Sasha and Aliona.

 

[Fluture]

Awwww, sounds like Anna misses the times when they traveled and competed together with Sasha and Aliona.

That's so sweet. Anna generally has such an amazing attitude to competition, I have no idea how she does it!

 

[Vlad Karigov]

I know. But I don't think there is any risk that Kostornaia won't show up. The other six might not even compete, that's why I listed them. But you're right. It might confuse people so I've changed the wording.

Be careful that in the end the reality could be totally different ... never give anything for "obvious" in russian skate this season

 

[Skatesocs]

I really appreciate the first minute of Anna's program. I am sure her skating in it will improve. I do hope the remaining music cuts and choreography are fine tuned more.

For Tuktamysheva, I've always appreciated her jumps, but tbh this is the level of skating I expect from a 2nd or 3rd year senior skater. She's been around for 9 years (this is her 10th), and has every senior title expect OGM. And her best performance is still her Bolero at 2015 Worlds.

 

[Greengemmonster]

I thought Anna performed better here than in the last round despite the mistake.

Skating looked smoother and jumps were higher imo.

She's on her way!!!

I've got this new revelation about Anna. I find it very stress free to support her. Great skater so no doubt she'll have a great career but she's also so charming and well spoken I feel like she'll go on to have a great post skating life. That in turn makes me more relaxed about her skating in general. Totally weird but that's my attitude towards her

 

[BabySloth]

So the Junior Ladies start later this evening. Besides Adelya Petrosyan and Liza Berestovskaya are there others to look out for? These were the 2 names I recognised from the entry list.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

My favourite performances from Tuktamysheva were world team trophy 2019. This is just because she went clean and I like watching clean skating.

 

[Scott512]

I believe Liza, Evgenia, and Stanislava might disagree with you - all are 20+. The difference is depth. And keep in mind that Bradie and Mariah have both lost to Alysa Liu twice, US's own junior phenom and the reigning two-time US national champion (being ineligible due to being too young before.)

Alysa is only 1 skater. Late teen Russian girls who are special in their own right have been pushed to the side by a cascade of Russian (TT) girls in recent years. Well it's sad in a way that's sports and that's life. And there are more girls coming from EG and they are super they are hungry they are focused.

Zhenya and were great at 17 / 18. Bradie and Mariah blossomed in their 20s.there is no comparison. I am pleased set Liza and Stasia and Evgenia are still skating. But Liza fans are still scratching their heads why she can't score higher and she does a clean triple axel and has a legendary coach.

My original point was that the Russian girls who don't make it by 17 or 18 are pushed out of the way by the younger better hungrier competition that the ladies in America and Japan and Korea certainly do not face. Otherwise bradie and Mariah would have been gone a long time ago. But there was no group of girls to push them out of the way the way the Russians have had happen for years.

 

[Scott512]

What depth? Where is this depth in Russian ladies skating everybody is talking about? Every year one or two new promissing faces showing up means nothing. It's just a lot of hype about nothing. People think about past promissing skaters and their perception says "huh, it's so crowded there". No it's not. Everybody is beatable. At this moment, there's more depth in Japanese skating

Everybody in Russia is beatable? Lol.
Not by the Japanese. Japanese girls are good no doubt about it but they're not as good when they have to skate against the Russian girls let's put it that way. ie: Rika 2019 worlds blew her SP at home up against Alina and Zhenya. It was too much for Rika to deal with.

When was the last major competition Japanese won in ladies figure skating? Mao in a watered down 2014 worlds? Have the Russian girls done anything since 2014? you know what I remember about Mao Asada in 2014? Her coming up very small in the Olympics. Her short program was one of the most disappointing in history because Asada is one of the best in modern history. She had a great freeskate in Sochi but it was far too little far too late.

And no gpf does not count as a major title. Only world's and Olympic titles are major titles. Again Japan has many good lady skaters but Russia has many more and at a higher level.

 

[Novalis]

I thought Anna performed better here than in the last round despite the mistake.

Skating looked smoother and jumps were higher imo.

She's on her way!!!

I've got this new revelation about Anna. I find it very stress free to support her. Great skater so no doubt she'll have a great career but she's also so charming and well spoken I feel like she'll go on to have a great post skating life. That in turn makes me more relaxed about her skating in general. Totally weird but that's my attitude towards her

I can very much relate to this

 

[Scott512]

What in the world must Liza and her legendary coach think about 15 year old Daria easily outscoring Liza at stage 3??

As great as Mishin is we know who Liza should have switched to a couple years ago when Zhenya left for TCC. The EG bounce would have gotten Lizas scores much higher.

 

[Lzbee]

What depth? Where is this depth in Russian ladies skating everybody is talking about? Every year one or two new promissing faces showing up means nothing. It's just a lot of hype about nothing. People think about past promissing skaters and their perception says "huh, it's so crowded there". No it's not. Everybody is beatable. At this moment, there's more depth in Japanese skating

Do you mean longevity by any chance? Because just from the fact that there are "one or two new promising faces" every year means that the number of top athletes is increasing (ie. increasing depth) in Russia.

Unless you're saying that there are more promising Japanese skaters every year? Or are you saying that it's more competitive at the top for Japan because they're mostly all at the same level?

Not trying to be argumentative here, genuinely trying to understand what you mean.

 

[silveruskate]

Wow. Today, I learned, Rika, Satoko, Wakaba, Kaori, Mana, Tamoe, Marin, Yuhana, etc are "not a lot" and "not even close" to the "same level" as Russian ladies. Japan has as many top ladies as Russia does and it's also a bloodbath to qualify for the international spots. Wow, today I learned that "second-tier Russian ladies" would beat this veritable army. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Russian ladies but Japan also has incredible, outstanding talents and a very deep women's field.

Apart from Rika none of them could podium at Worlds. They're not even close to Russian ladies. Their 2nd place Satoko's best last year was beaten by 8 Russians including 2 juniors.

 

[Azikin]

So the Junior Ladies start later this evening. Besides Adelya Petrosyan and Liza Berestovskaya are there others to look out for? These were the 2 names I recognised from the entry list.

Dmitrieva in the 1st groups should be worth watching.. but otherwise there probably won't be much competition for those two..

 

[Lzbee]

Wow. Today, I learned, Rika, Satoko, Wakaba, Kaori, Mana, Tamoe, Marin, Yuhana, etc are "not a lot" and "not even close" to the "same level" as Russian ladies. Japan has as many top ladies as Russia does and it's also a bloodbath to qualify for the international spots. Wow, today I learned that "second-tier Russian ladies" would beat this veritable army. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Russian ladies but Japan also has incredible, outstanding talents and a very deep women's field.

I love many of the Japanese ladies too but other than Rika, they honestly can't compete with the top Russians...

In the 2019-2020 season, there were 9 Russians in the top 15 seasons best. There were only 2 Japanese ladies.

(There were also 3 Americans and 1 South Korean in case anyone is curious)

 

[Resa]

I really appreciate the first minute of Anna's program. I am sure her skating in it will improve. I do hope the remaining music cuts and choreography are fine tuned more.

For Tuktamysheva, I've always appreciated her jumps, but tbh this is the level of skating I expect from a 2nd or 3rd year senior skater. She's been around for 9 years (this is her 10th), and has every senior title expect OGM. And her best performance is still her Bolero at 2015 Worlds.

In my opinion, her best was Adios Nonino in 2011

 

[yume]

Everybody in Russia is beatable? Lol.
Not by the Japanese. Japanese girls are good no doubt about it but they're not as good when they have to skate against the Russian girls let's put it that way. ie: Rika 2019 worlds blew her SP at home up against Alina and Zhenya. It was too much for Rika to deal with.

When was the last major competition Japanese won in ladies figure skating? Mao in a watered down 2014 worlds? Have the Russian girls done anything since 2014? you know what I remember about Mao Asada in 2014? Her coming up very small in the Olympics. Her short program was one of the most disappointing in history because Asada is one of the best in modern history. She had a great freeskate in Sochi but it was far too little far too late.

And no gpf does not count as a major title. Only world's and Olympic titles are major titles. Again Japan has many good lady skaters but Russia has many more and at a higher level.

There were better ways to explain why Russia has better depth you know. Not that agressivity towards Japaneses and Asada who isn't even competing anymore.

Now Lipnitskaia and Kostner weren't competition in 2014 and GPF isn't a big title.....

 

[anonymoose_au]

What in the world must Liza and her legendary coach think about 15 year old Daria easily outscoring Liza at stage 3??

As great as Mishin is we know who Liza should have switched to a couple years ago when Zhenya left for TCC. The EG bounce would have gotten Lizas scores much higher.

No way. The atmosphere at Team TUT would have chewed up Liza and spat her out, but before that it would have taken away everything different and enjoyable about her skating.