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Aww I loved the first dress (green is my favourite colour) :( Not that the change (if there is one, like you said it could be the light) is terrible, but still...more green in skating I say!

Of greater interest to me is her FP costume, is the new one ready yet I wonder!
Ooh, green is my favourite colour, too! :) I love that green dress of her!
 
I seem to remember it differently. Didn't Sasha try her 3A in her SP at the GPF but she fell there? That's what I remember. I recall the video from the practice when she landed it but it seems just logical to me that it must had been before the GPF. It might have been just after Alyona win at NHK, but I do not remember the details. Anyone else?
I think you are right. I got confused since Alyona won everything internationally last season.
 
Aww I loved the first dress (green is my favourite colour) :( Not that the change (if there is one, like you said it could be the light) is terrible, but still...more green in skating I say!

Of greater interest to me is her FP costume, is the new one ready yet I wonder!

ETA: There were some other photos of the dress posted, the neckline is higher and the straps wider, so it is indeed a new dress.
Actually I had a feeling the straps might have been shortened changing the neckline but that is really very difficult to judge when on a dummy as the impression we get is hugely affected by the dummy's dimensions which we do not know. Maybe...
 
Aww I loved the first dress (green is my favourite colour) :( Not that the change (if there is one, like you said it could be the light) is terrible, but still...more green in skating I say!

Of greater interest to me is her FP costume, is the new one ready yet I wonder!

ETA: There were some other photos of the dress posted, the neckline is higher and the straps wider, so it is indeed a new dress.
I think this will suit her better because the old green was just light enough that it’s image was lost in the backdrop of the ice. My assumption is that since it is new but the same design she is growing, and perhaps was not comfortable with the lower neckline of the previous style? Though I thought it looked slightly big on her so maybe they were just adjusting for a better fit.

I’m very excited to see what they will come up with for her Romeo & Juliet program given that Daria’s dress is a stunner. Makes it that much harder to come up with something memorable.
 
My assumption is that since it is new but the same design she is growing, and perhaps was not comfortable with the lower neckline of the previous style?
True, I can see how the straps and neckline of the first one might be too flimsy. Still I wished they kept the colour. Although, perhaps Sasha prefers the new colour :)

I'm sure it'll be fab, I was disappointed when I found out Liza Tuk had changed her SP dress, but the new one turned out to be amazing. :)
 
True. It is. It also says it is a "new version" so still it might be more about the straps and less about the colours..... but yes, I can also see how they might think darker colour could look better against the ice. Well, still the good thing is some parts are still green... :biggrin:
Whatever suits her, so that she feels goods in it and slays in it, I'll be happy anyway.
 
It is great when a skater can do a triple-3Lo combo. Not everyone can. Also, as far as I remember no one did an +Eu sequence during Medvedeva and Zagitova era.
But now Sasha can do this for her FS:
4T-Eu-3S
3A-3T
3Lz-3Lo
4S
4Lo
4F
4Lz
Alignes perfectly and she does not have to repeat a flip jump. Since she had problem with the 3F edge.

For triple-only layouts, the optimal is doing -3Lo and -3T combo. Then you can repeat 3Lz and 3F in the free. Being able to do -3Lo isn't all that advantageous by itself; 3Lo and 3T aren't very different in BV if you're looking at the combination in isolation. The advantage is the overall BV difference because the -3Lo lets you have a much better layout. If you can't do a -3Lo, then you have to do two -3T (losing BV of 3Lz/F to 3T), or -3T and -Eu-3S (losing BV of a jump to the Eu).

In the SP as -3Lo is much riskier for little to no reward, and that advantage is gone if you just do -3T in the bonus instead of -3Lo without bonus. That's probably why Sasha switched to a -3T in the short, and I would like Anna to as well (and I felt the same for Alina before). The only reason I see to do it in the short is to have more practice with the -3Lo combo but it's a huge risk as we've seen.

That's for all triple programs, it gets more complicated once quads are added, assuming the skater repeats a quad instead of a second triple. The advantage here is that you can have 3 types of combos instead of doing -2T (like Alena and Kamila because they don't do -3Lo).

As for Alina doing 3Lz-3T vs. 2A-3T, the BV is the same. The difference is that a 2A gets double GOE factoring but if you add a -3T to it, the whole combo gets triple factoring. So with everything remaining the same, including which jumps are in the bonus, it's better to do 2A-3T.
 
is this new?

It's so pretty :love2::love2::love2:

The other one was really pretty too. I wonder how this one will look on ice, as I said before, I really liked all the details on it and how it looked away from the ice, but on ice the green was very unusual and a bit out of place too. Nonetheless, still one of my favourite dresses I've seen so far this season.
 
I seem to remember it differently. Didn't Sasha try her 3A in her SP at the GPF but she fell there? That's what I remember. I recall the video from the practice when she landed it but it seems just logical to me that it must had been before the GPF. It might have been just after Alyona win at NHK, but I do not remember the details. Anyone else?
My not reliable memory tells me she tried it in GPF final, so it was good for her to post a succesfull attempt short time later, but I think nobody tought that Sasha could not land a 3A.
Her problem, all the season, was consistently delivering what she could.
That's why I thought that a coach change for her was (potentially) a good move.
 
I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks this... I think the gap is right where it should be. Aliona, with or without a 3A has better quality than Kihira in almost every element... I’d give the I-spin to Kihira, MAYBE a few other marks. But Kihira always seems as though she is stretching herself to interpret properly. She falls in and out of the performance, especially nearing the tough elements and right after. It’s not a cohesive program for me. Aliona’s performance skills far eclipse this. Her character is that of the performance until she drops her final pose. This immersion of character and performance is not a quality we see in Kihira (or really any other skater except maybe in Kamila’s Girl on Ball/Exogenesis before the nerves of the season hit her) and imo it deserves to be rewarded. Pull any still from a Kihira program and the emotion of the face is almost always the same. Pull a still from an Aliona program and there is a range of them, each equally convincing. This is why I find a disconnect from myself in Anna’s skating as well. She is no doubt of superb musicality but every program I feel she is expressing the same emotion. I was impressed with her Stage 1 performance because the final portion of the free skate was so different for her, but she failed to deliver these feelings again in Stage 3. And Aliona, for whatever reason, innate talent, that she took acting classes when she was younger, has no issues with this. And she should have higher PCS because of it. It draws the audience in.
I do mostly agree with your points about Kihira and Shcherbakova. But honestly, I think Kostornaia is actually rather similar to Kihira in this regard? Pull a still from her Twilight program, it’ll either be her serious look or the excited grin she has for the last ~40 seconds of the program. Pull any still from her other programs (except maybe R&J - she shows a bit more variety in expressions here), it’ll just be a nearly-identical serious look. Overall, I feel that while Kostornaia is good at interpreting with her arms and body language, I have yet to see some convincing expression from her. In other words, her movements can look beautiful, but also often lack projection and even look cold/rushed at times. Kihira’s artistry has similar issues, though rather than rushing the choreography it seems more like she’s focusing on the following elements too much. But at least Kihira benefits from having better choreography than Kostornaia (though this may change now that she’s with a different team).
 
I seem to remember it differently. Didn't Sasha try her 3A in her SP at the GPF but she fell there? That's what I remember. I recall the video from the practice when she landed it but it seems just logical to me that it must had been before the GPF. It might have been just after Alyona win at NHK, but I do not remember the details. Anyone else?

My not reliable memory tells me she tried it in GPF final, so it was good for her to post a succesfull attempt short time later, but I think nobody tought that Sasha could not land a 3A.
Her problem, all the season, was consistently delivering what she could.
That's why I thought that a coach change for her was (potentially) a good move.

Yes. First Sasha's 3A video from training was posted during november 2019 (reposted e.g. here). She landed 3A during the warm-up before the SP at GPF and tried to jump 3A in a program at GPF but fell and the jump was marked UR. During the preparation for the gala at Europeans (after the competition) she also landed 3A (but I can't find the footage now).
 
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Overall, I feel that while Kostornaia is good at interpreting with her arms and body language, I have yet to see some convincing expression from her. In other words, her movements can look beautiful, but also often lack projection and even look cold/rushed at times. Kihira’s artistry has similar issues, though rather than rushing the choreography it seems more like she’s focusing on the following elements too much. But at least Kihira benefits from having better choreography than Kostornaia (though this may change now that she’s with a different team).
I have different opinions - Aliona and Rika both have very expressive skating, especially Aliona. It's important to let the skating talk rather than facial expressions.
 
Alyona Kostornaia...
Alexandra Trusova...
Stanislava Konstantinova...

They have shining faces...
they have disarming smiles...
They are flying like with wings...
Three angels...

BUT!

Behind the angelic appearances real passions are boiling...
fiery emotions are seething...
and burning feelings are raging!

Will the angels pass the test of Hot Ice?
Live, 8-9th November, on "1"!


 
Alyona Kostornaia...
Alexandra Trusova...
Stanislava Konstantinova...

They have shining faces...
they have disarming smiles...
They are flying like with wings...
Three angels...

BUT!

Behind the angelic appearances real passions are boiling...
fiery emotions are seething...
and burning feelings are raging!

Will the angels pass the test of Hot Ice?
Live, 8-9th November, on "1"!



Is this for real? I mean, they show this on Russian TV? This is probably the most cheesy and over the top announcement I've ever seen. :rolleye:
 
I do mostly agree with your points about Kihira and Shcherbakova. But honestly, I think Kostornaia is actually rather similar to Kihira in this regard? Pull a still from her Twilight program, it’ll either be her serious look or the excited grin she has for the last ~40 seconds of the program. Pull any still from her other programs (except maybe R&J - she shows a bit more variety in expressions here), it’ll just be a nearly-identical serious look. Overall, I feel that while Kostornaia is good at interpreting with her arms and body language, I have yet to see some convincing expression from her. In other words, her movements can look beautiful, but also often lack projection and even look cold/rushed at times. Kihira’s artistry has similar issues, though rather than rushing the choreography it seems more like she’s focusing on the following elements too much. But at least Kihira benefits from having better choreography than Kostornaia (though this may change now that she’s with a different team).
I looked through a bunch of stills of all three of them by just searching their names as hashtags on Instagram and I stand by my comment. In competition every one of Rika’s facial expressions is the same— fixed eyes, slightly parted lips, seeming to have apprehension... this doesn’t change until after the final pose is dropped. Shcherbakova is certainly better, but the range is not very broad.. and she has lyrical programs so I’d say if anything her expressions are fine, the programs themselves have just been too similar. She actually does a really good job with firebird, so we probably just don’t see all her ability because she is limited by the program concepts. Kostornaia certainly has the widest expression range. I could post some links here but rather I’d suggest doing what I did. It’ll be faster, and the comparisons more apparent. Interesting to note is the expressiveness of Kihira’s practice skates and exhibition programs, which never reaches the competitive ice. She is very nervous or focused on elements in competition which detract from interpretation. But that nerve not translating to ice for Anna and Aliona should be rewarded, and the difference makes sense for me, especially with Aliona.

As another said it is not the expression alone, but the expression certainly assists. In competitions where the margins are small, things like that can really make a difference.
 
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