2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[drivingmissdaisy]

Sasha: She's definitely in fighting shape and she's going to make it hard on everyone this season. Her 3A is still in progress but I don't doubt she will get that jump to work for her eventually.

I agree that Sasha will get that jump landed at some point. However, I don't think that it will ever be a reliable jump for her, given that she's had a much better rate of success with the four quads she has attempted. I do think she'll have to focus on fewer hard jumps to master, and she really doesn't need the 3A because she can more than make up a deficit with her jumps in the LP, especially with Anna also not having a 3A yet.

 

[NAOTMAA]

To be honest, Shae Lynns program for Liza Tuk wasn't good either so I didn't expect much. I think I'm just not feeling her style

Well team Liza got a history of fiddling around with programs so it's possible what we saw isn't totally what Shae Lynn did. And with Alena everything concerning her this season feels like a rush. I can't think of any excuses for Mariah's ABBA though

 

[bubblecherry]

Maybe Shae Lynn is overrated?

I think it’s moreso that she’s just like any other choreographer. She has hits and misses. Her best work (in singles) is with Nathan and Yuzu. She’s made other good programs with other skaters, too, and she’s also made bad programs. However, she seems to be the most desired choreographer and skaters these days seem to gravitate towards her, for better and for worse.

 

[chasingneverland]

I agree that Sasha will get that jump landed at some point. However, I don't think that it will ever be a reliable jump for her, given that she's had a much better rate of success with the four quads she has attempted. I do think she'll have to focus on fewer hard jumps to master, and she really doesn't need the 3A because she can more than make up a deficit with her jumps in the LP, especially with Anna also not having a 3A yet.

True. However, that used to be said about her quads. Remember she's been jumping them since the 17-18 season. They used to be much less stable. (Same with Anna.)

 

[Znowflake]

Medvedeva is still listed to compete next week at Rostelecom. If she is still injured she would have withdrawn by now?

Any info on Zhenya lately?

Dani G said she likely wouldn't but she hasn't formally withdrawn yet

 

[yume]

FP Trusova has more choreography than any other skater who does a 4 quad program. If I am wrong, please bring me an example of such a program.

Since you said skater and not lady, may i suggest Hanyu and Uno's 4 quads programs?

If we talk about ladies, yes she's the one with the most choreo, because there is no one else.

But being the only one to attempt 4 quads doesn't erase the fact that there is little choreo in her program.

 

[plushyfan]

Since you said skater and not lady, may i suggest Hanyu and Uno's 4 quads programs?

If we talk about ladies, yes she's the one with the most choreo, because there is no one else.

But being the only one to attempt 4 quads doesn't erase the fact that there is little choreo in her program.

I remember when Chen had 5 quads in his LP. Everyone said he has no choreo. Well, he is world champion....

 

[Jontor]

Dani G said she likely wouldn't but she hasn't formally withdrawn yet

Well, if that's the case, I hope she will withdraw soon so they can give the place to another skater. There is too many precious skaters in Russia to have a vacancy at Rostelecom. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Medvedeva to be there, but if she is not fit to do it she should give the place to someone else.

Tarakanova is next in line from the SB list last year. It would be a great opportunity for her to get a GP instead of the place goes to waste.

 

[Alex65]

I agree that Sasha will get that jump landed at some point. However, I don't think that it will ever be a reliable jump for her, given that she's had a much better rate of success with the four quads she has attempted. I do think she'll have to focus on fewer hard jumps to master, and she really doesn't need the 3A because she can more than make up a deficit with her jumps in the LP, especially with Anna also not having a 3A yet.

If you look at the results of the competitions of the past and this seasons, they say the opposite. The backlog in the SP encouraged Sasha to do more quads in LP. As a result, more mistakes, worse results. It's a vicious circle. Sasha wants to break this circle. 3A is necessary for her. Not in order to win after the SP, but in order not to lose too much.

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

I think she may just have been behind the music from the fall, the hip shimmy may return.

That was my impression as well. She left it out to catch up with the music again.

 

[Jontor]

If you look at the results of the competitions of the past and this seasons, they say the opposite. The backlog in the SP encouraged Sasha to do more quads in LP. As a result, more mistakes, worse results. It's a vicious circle. Sasha wants to break this circle. 3A is necessary for her. Not in order to win after the SP, but in order not to lose too much.

It will be very interesting to see the battle between Sasha and Anna next week. Anna plans to have a 2nd quad in her program. That means that Sasha must land her 3A in the short so she can have a couple of points on Anna, then she can't have a couple of falls in the long as she had this weekend. All this in case of Anna is clean of course...

 

[Vilord]

It will be very interesting to see the battle between Sasha and Anna next week. Anna plans to have a 2nd quad in her program. That means that Sasha must land her 3A in the short so she can have a couple of points on Anna, then she can't have a couple of falls in the long as she had this weekend. All this in case of Anna is clean of course...

While its true Sasha probably cant afford as many mistakes when goinng against Anna and later Kamilla it should be noted that they have also had misstakes in their programs and Sasha has the two highest total scores so far this season. While both Anna and kamilla have the potential to beat Sashas current SB they will need to step up their game to do so.

Since the start to this season have been strange to say the least I expect everyone to keep improving as the seson progresses so for each competition the winner will probably have to skateprogressively cleaner as the season goes on.

 

[yume]

I remember when Chen had 5 quads in his LP. Everyone said he has no choreo. Well, he is world champion....

Because judges don't care about choreo. Hence the high 8s Trusova got in CO.

 

[neusw]

Maybe Shae Lynn is overrated?

Maybe choreographing over zoom through an interpreter is a terrible idea?

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

https://m.sport-express.ru/figure-s...chto-ya-pomerla-v-seredine-programmy-1727326/

Alena mentions here that she screwed up the choreography, added her own (sounds like she could've forgotten parts of it?) and she's scared to see what Shae-Lynn will think when she sees it. So obviously, that performance isn't even close to what the finished product will look like.

Um, excuse me, but where did she say this? I read the article in Russian (I do not need Google translate) and there is no such thing.

 

[kmw227]

Um, excuse me, but where did she say this? I read the article in Russian (I do not need Google translate) and there is no such thing.

Well, I did use Google translate and she talks about how she "died" in the middle of the program and then she mentions that she's scared of what her choreographer and Rozanov will think of the program (she mentions Rozanov by name, so "choreographer" has to be referring to Shae-Lynn). I think she's saying that the program/choreography "died" in the middle, at least that's what I interpreted it as.

 

[herro]

Um, excuse me, but where did she say this? I read the article in Russian (I do not need Google translate) and there is no such thing.

Would you be able to educate us on what the article is actually saying?

We should be careful about interpreting articles using Google Translate, and it's probably best practice for the poster to disclose that he/she is not reading the article in its original language...

 

[nussnacker]

Future, I understand the reason for your sarcastic post (the user you replied to was rude). But I would try to explain you my point of view, as someone who also thinks that most skaters lose their magic after leaving Tutberidze.

Every time I watch a competition, I myself am awed how much better Eteri's skaters are (presumably, they also skate clean). There are a lot of young ladies from other coaching teams that have better technique, have better spins or skating skills, or are born performers, but they can never build the "whole picture" for me. Despite the strategic layouts and trainings, I cannot unsee the attention to detail in Team Tutberidze. Of course, their skaters are not 100% perfect, they constantly have to work on improving, but generally despite the technical part, they excel on n extensions, equal arm and leg involvement, nice hits of the music notes etc. Due to the trend in the past years, we see more and more teams trying to integrate this style but still they don't reach the same effect. Just hitting the music accents or adding some rippons, doing fancy combos is not enough..because a wholesome concept for the certain skater is missing. That's why I also thing that anyone could alure her entire coaching team (Daniil, Dudakov and Zheleznyakov), and the skaters training with them would be very good... but would never reach this uniqueness, because the artistical idea of how someone should develop in the following X years won't be there.

Edit: this doesn't mean that Sasha and Aliona got worse or something. For Sasha nothing changed for me on the exterior, she is focusing on improving her technique, but this was always her main priority. Aliona is suffering more from puberty and injury right now than from leaving Eteri. On the long term, I see, however, a possible problem to find the suitting style for her.

I feel the same. It’s probably because she’s more demanding on average, but also very attentive. It’s worth to give a credit where it’s due.
When Adelia skated her SP, and it was done, my thoughts were “she didn’t put a foot wrong, everything was so perfect”. And I find myself thinking that more often than not when I watch Eteri skaters. It might be because I am a perfectionist in nature, but when everything’s squeaky clean, it just makes me so much more appreciative of the performance. It leaves a completely different impression overall.

in terms of a personal example, it reminds when I was learning piano as a kid, I never paid attention to using correct fingers when playing. My teacher did remind me about it at first, but she quickly let it go, and because I was lazy and dumb, and she wasn’t persistent on reminding me to learn pieces with correct fingers, I just kept doing what I wanted. I feel like sometimes students need someone, who won’t let things go, and keeps reminding you things you’re not doing good enough. At least I did!

Daniil isn’t the greatest choreographer in the world, but he produces some pretty interesting and beautiful programs on a regular basis, and no, not every single of his programs is a success, but he did and does quite a few great ones every season, and to the very least he knows how to make them fit his skaters.
he completely nailed it with Maia’s SP this season, and I love Anna’s programs as well. She looks matured and more sophisticated, it separates her from the rest. Adelia’s FS would probably be my favorite FS of the season.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Um, excuse me, but where did she say this? I read the article in Russian (I do not need Google translate) and there is no such thing.

Kmw just linked the wrong link. Sportexpress did only publish parts of the whole interview that sport24 did. They probably meant this one (at the bottom). She said in this interview that she added her own steps and arm movements during the program and messed up the phrasing/drawing of the program. And that she is worried what her coaches and choroegrapher will think about her performance since it was not her best.

«Я померла где-то в середине программы». Косторная — о выступлении в Казани - 9 ноября 2020 - Sport24

Чемпионка Европы 2020 года Алена Косторная пообщалась с журналистами после завершения соревнований у женщин на четвертом этапе Кубка России в Казани, передает корреспондент Sport24 Владимир Афанасьев.

sport24.ru

 

[kmw227]

Kmw just linked the wrong link. Sportexpress did only publish parts of the whole interview that sport24 did. They probably meant this one (at the bottom). She said in this interview that she added her own steps and arm movements during the program and messed up the phrasing/drawing of the program. And that she is worried what her coaches and choroegrapher will think about her performance since it was not her best.

«Я померла где-то в середине программы». Косторная — о выступлении в Казани - 9 ноября 2020 - Sport24

Чемпионка Европы 2020 года Алена Косторная пообщалась с журналистами после завершения соревнований у женщин на четвертом этапе Кубка России в Казани, передает корреспондент Sport24 Владимир Афанасьев.

sport24.ru

My mistake, thanks for sharing the correct link!