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Amazing! She promised to work on it at her last stage, and she delivered!
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Oh, you're one of those
You better do that for every skater otherwise your bias is showing.
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I wasn't aware recognizing clear and blatant errors is showing bias. There isn't even a need for a diploma from a crazy Yuna fan expert in slow mo sensational editing to know that was not good rotation.
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Very interesting post with good points. But Stasya at worlds 19? Um no.
But certainly SS should not have lost her world spot after winning euros. Or rather Alina losing euros. If Alina did not bomb the Euros freeskate I think you would have seen Liza at Worlds with Zhenya and Alina.
The scary thought right now is because of what plagues the world with Coronavirus that Alina will be the reigning and defending Olympic and World Champion for a very long time.
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Liza's quad hasn't got the rotation yet, but I don't have doubt she will be able to get the rotation given her triple axel.
Not that it will be of any use to her during Russian GPs given the fact that she hasn't stabilised a triple-triple, and her triple repitiour is quite deminished (her 3Lz, 3Lo and 3T seem stable the rest seem a little off)....
Still, I'd love to see the quad for the sake of the quad, even if she isn't able to podium.
Not that it will be of any use to her during Russian GPs given the fact that she hasn't stabilised a triple-triple, and her triple repitiour is quite deminished (her 3Lz, 3Lo and 3T seem stable the rest seem a little off)....
Still, I'd love to see the quad for the sake of the quad, even if she isn't able to podium.
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Haha, I think you're missing the tone of that statement haha. It was sarcastic..
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I definitely agree that Liza lost her spot for three reasons, basically the perfect storm: (1) she missed nationals and the three who won were juniors (definitely not ideal so that meant the usual "rule" didn't hold, (2) Alina struggled again and Euros and didn't win, and (3) Sofia - whose spot was probably the least secure going into Euros (Alina was/is the reigning Olympic and World champion and Stasya is a fed favourite) won. If any one of those didn't happen, Liza would have gone to worlds.
I don't think that's a scary thought. Why would that be scary? Or do you just mean that COVID has changed things a lot and resulted in the cancelation of so many events and that looks to continue for a while at least? Because I don't think who was the last winner is necessarily relevant. There are many things about COVID that are ACTUALLY scary - the last winner isn't.
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I agree with this. I'd like to see her land a 3A in the short and a 3A and quad in free not only for what it will do for her own confidence!! but also for what it will do for her relative standing in the eyes of the fed and her world/olympic chances. I want to see her standing on the podium or at least it being close but I want her to do it without mistakes (especially uncharacteristic ones) from Anna, Sasha, and Alena. I want clean skates for all and them all to perform to potential!
The real question is why she didn't start making these changes earlier? It's not just the quads of Sasha and Anna that they were landing in juniors with increasing consistency and that they had to know were coming. It's that Liza had been losing to Alena, Alina, and Polina as juniors (without 3As or quads) since the 2016 championships - each Eteri junior better than the one before.
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Yes just the part about coronavirus being scary. it's not going away which is why I said Alina could be defending and reigning Olympic and world championship for very long time.
there would be nothing scary about Liza going to Worlds. The only thing that's scary about Liza is how low her scores are considering how good her triple axel is.I agree ... First I think Liza has a bit of bad luck .. second I think when liza got her 3A .. team mishin thought that was enough for her to win ( at her first landing nobody had this jump or 4) and they forget the other elements to win ... Eteri is just a master on getting every point and doing that with consistencyI agree with this. I'd like to see her land a 3A in the short and a 3A and quad in free not only for what it will do for her own confidence!! but also for what it will do for her relative standing in the eyes of the fed and her world/olympic chances. I want to see her standing on the podium or at least it being close but I want her to do it without mistakes (especially uncharacteristic ones) from Anna, Sasha, and Alena. I want clean skates for all and them all to perform to potential!
The real question is why she didn't start making these changes earlier? It's not just the quads of Sasha and Anna that they were landing in juniors with increasing consistency and that they had to know were coming. It's that Liza had been losing to Alena, Alina, and Polina as juniors (without 3As or quads) since the 2016 championships - each Eteri junior better than the one before.
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Valiyeva is already taller than Tuktamysheva ....
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Yet pointing out the blatant errors of other skaters will result in a pile on in this thread. Not to mention totally ignored and given positive GOE in actual competition!
Funny posters claimed that I was being over dramatic when I wrote Liza is held to a higher standard, seems I was right.
ETA: Some can't even applaud Liza for trying to get a quad. Nope, it's just nitpick, nitpick, nitpick.
And even if it was fully rotated I can see the posts here
"We all know she can jump, the rest of her skating is still crap, her coach is a senile old fool.
Too bad she didn't go to the wonderful, magical, never does a thing wrong Eteri."
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I'm really not getting what's the problem.... different amount of people have different opinions, I suppose there's something wrong with that? You point out a mistake, someone agrees or disagrees. That's how discussions work.
Btw, Liza's first quads last year were praised to high heavens as one of the best 4T ever, on par with top men, so please don't twist what happened here. This attempt seemed less rotated than those she showed last year, that's all. Sorry people pointed it out, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Again, people pick on all skaters and their technique on jumps, we have slow-mo expert Nadya, that's kind of the point of being an FS nerd, isn't it?
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The point is how people respond to criticism, some skaters are not allowed to be criticised. When I posted my thoughts on Kamila people jumped down my throat like "How dare you not fall at her feet and love every second of her performance. How dare you suggest Eteri and get team are anything but perfect."
With other skaters and their teams its open season 'Liza has no skating skills' 'Mishin is an idiot' 'Sasha has no emotion or interpretation' 'Plushenko is single handedly destroying figure skating and should be sent to Siberia'.
We must be reading different threads, I distinctly recall posters sneering at Liza and saying she's wasting her time with "big tricks" when she can't even do a transition right.
You can bet you life if Alina Z, Aliona K or Zhenya Med posted a non-harnessed quad attempt 99% of posters would be falling over themselves to praise them. We already see it with the Eteri juniors.
The Plushenko Academy posts Sasha doing a quad loop and its' Oh wow so ugly' or Veronika V doing a 4T combo and it's 'Under-rotated' as if they'd say the same if those two were still at Sambo-70.
I just resent not been able to make a positive comment about Liza here without posters jumping on me and reminding me how much she sucks.
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After the years of exaggerating of Alina's bending as if she'd have looked like this on the ice (not to mention the overmagnifying of any other possible fault she may have done) I don'ť think it's a reasonable way to get a sympathy via "evil Eteri fans vs. the rest" narrative.
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I've certainly never criticised Alina, so I'm not sure if this is directed at me or not?
I was actually thinking of Aliona K's combo last event, no-one should have got positive GOE on that, I don't care who they are.
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When you write things like "Too bad she didn't go to the wonderful, magical, never does a thing wrong Eteri", you speak as if those are exclusively non-Eteri skaters who are criticized for their faults, small or big, real or fabricated. Which is - completely wrong. Many of them, Alina on the top, were and still are the target of the nastiest claims one can read here (not to mention their team itself), so your claims on this regard leave nothing but a bitter taste. And just the fact that someone pointed out on Liza's UR jump is not a reason to play on ridiculing "wonderful, magical, never does a thing wrong Eteri" string.
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