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Are there any male skaters who flutz? There's lots of talk about female skaters who do by no men ever come up. Is it because it's less obvious when me flutz or is it just some weird biological fact that they don't?
Flutzing men
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Excuse me, What it means "flutzing"? And "Lipers"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flutz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip_jump
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The proper lutz
If interested, go to IceNetwork and watch Steven Carriere's triple lutz from the Counter Match competition.
There is complex footwork leading into the lutz; the back outside edge take-off is so obvious (not mintsy like some Ladies); the complete rotations with great flow on the landing. Posture, speed all make this a magnificent jump.
I'm not talented with the computer so if anyone can link his skating to this thread, I'd appreciate it. A true lutz by definition is a beautiful jump.
(btw, what do you think of the double tano arms in the combo?)
Joe
If interested, go to IceNetwork and watch Steven Carriere's triple lutz from the Counter Match competition.
There is complex footwork leading into the lutz; the back outside edge take-off is so obvious (not mintsy like some Ladies); the complete rotations with great flow on the landing. Posture, speed all make this a magnificent jump.
I'm not talented with the computer so if anyone can link his skating to this thread, I'd appreciate it. A true lutz by definition is a beautiful jump.
(btw, what do you think of the double tano arms in the combo?)
Joe
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Jordan Miller comes to mind. I hope he's fixed that now. Great skater. If he's fixed that and gotten his 3A, he could really move up this year.
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I have noticed that men usually have a better lutz than the girls. but I think brian flutzes. not sure. Will go watch a video and find out.
Doesn't Alissa Czisny have a curved entry into the lutz, thus not making it everybody who uses a straight-line approach?
However, I have no idea how one uses a curved entry for the flip; I've been taughto to use a shallow inside egde, or it makes the jump messy (for lack of a better word)... and I have yet to try a lutz (I've only been skating for a year).
Kypma
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Doesn't Alissa Czisny have a curved entry into the lutz, thus not making it everybody who uses a straight-line approach?
However, I have no idea how one uses a curved entry for the flip; I've been taughto to use a shallow inside egde, or it makes the jump messy (for lack of a better word)... and I have yet to try a lutz (I've only been skating for a year).
Kypma
LoL you're right. I do miss the old lutzers though--but I guess that's because they had a good figures background. They had to nail those edges.
And congrats on your flip! Your lutz will come soon =)
Thanks
When I start working on it, I'll remember to try to make my entry as curved as possible 
Kypma
I know lipping is not correct, but from a technical point of view, isn't even harder than the actual flip?
I do have seen Plushenko lipping all the time which was the reason I had such a hard time recognizing jumps when I just started watching FS, because I learned with his jumps. Then again it also confused the salchow jump because he does that turn and a half.
What is the right way to the salchow with that turn before the jump or without it?
I do have seen Plushenko lipping all the time which was the reason I had such a hard time recognizing jumps when I just started watching FS, because I learned with his jumps. Then again it also confused the salchow jump because he does that turn and a half.
What is the right way to the salchow with that turn before the jump or without it?
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Depends on the skater. For some people lipping makes the jump easier. For others, it might make it harder if you told them they had to do their Flip jumps like that.
As a universal standard, though, I believe Flutzing is worse than Lipping. Flutzing generally makes a Lutz easier by a greater magnitude than lipping makes a Flip easier.
EDIT: I fail at spelling.
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What is a toe-salchow? Isn't that a Flip?
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No, he had a weird salchow technique that made them look like toe-loops. It often looked as if instead of swinging his free leg around, he was pushing off the ice with it. Apparently the judges didn't care, but there was a lot of controversy among the more purist fans.
See this at about .35 in (not the clearest example but close enough).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dGWcKZoD1k
Also here at about .20 in (it looks like you can see the ice spray up from where his 'free' leg is on the ice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZtN8-CH774
Also the lutz at .45 here looks flutzy to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZtN8-CH774
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in the end the jumps are still cheated, it doesn't matter to me if you took a dollar or a hundred dollars, for you still took money. same in this scenario you still did not performed a jump correctly.
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Although he fell on the quad (lst link), it looked to me like he brushed the free leg to the back and was either going to do a toe loop or a loop. Anyway nothing like it was to be a salchow.
Joe
Joe
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Yagudin and Arakawa do that too, along with many others.
If it doesn't matter to you then you should change your mindset, IMO. The CoP is exacting and rightly so. That's why there is a specific deduction for, say, putting your hand down on a jump and a greater deduction for outright falling on a jump. Both jumps were not performed correctly but one infraction is clearly greater than another.
