2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[gsk8]

RusFed basically issues an ultimatum to the 'newbie coach':

The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKR) appraised the FS performances of Alexandra Trusova and Alyona Kostornaya at the Russian Grand Prix.

When translating an article or statement, please ensure you provide a link to the source. Please edit this post to reflect that and also include where the article states that a "newbie coach" was given an "ultimatum."

Further, if your point is to discuss a coach, it should be in the appropriate thread.

 

[lopsilceci]

I freaking swear Sasha had one bad competition, coming off an injury no less, and suddenly everyone (including RusFed) is like, okay yes so she's done for. Did she not beat Anna in overall scores for the Russian Cup? Did she not just perform a three-quad program two weeks ago? Did she not just win two Russian Cup events? Did she not just beat Kamila and Daria a month ago? The talk about Sasha in recent days is making her out to be someone who hasn't landed a quad in like two years, not someone who hasn't landed one in one program (she even landed one in the six-minute warmup that day).

Why do people keep spreading the rumour that Sasha was injured?
Has she or anyone in her team actually confirmed that or is it just the same rumour spread by the unofficial fan club on IG?

Sasha, after her FP, said she doesn't know what happened and at the gala she was doing 3Lz out of a cantilever and things like that, which isn't something a skater coming off an injury would do.

 

[lopsilceci]

I think RusFed's concerns are justified and they are not addressed at the girls themselves but their coaching team...
You have two of the top two ladies in the world... You should at least be able to help them mantain a level of consistency with what they already had. Instead, you have Kostornaia with stamina issues, losing levels in spins and step sequence, which should still be solid even if the 3A takes longer to regain.
You have Sasha attempting 3A and 4 quads and on top you give her a freaking costume change? Why?!

If PCS scores follow reputation and consistency across different competitions, and your two top skaters lose against people they have never lost to before and they start making uncharacteristic mistakes, then the PCS advantage is going to keep going down and no amount of complaining about the judging will help with that.

 

[nussnacker]

When translating an article or statement, please ensure you provide a link to the source. Please edit this post to reflect that and also include where the article states that a "newbie coach" was given an "ultimatum."

Further, if your point is to discuss a coach, it should be in the appropriate thread.

I believe it’s clear to everyone that first sentence was a commentary to the article from a poster himself/herself, and the article starts after “:” sign. Perhaps they should’ve put the whole thing as quotation to make that even clearer.

 

[macy]

I think RusFed's concerns are justified and they are not addressed at the girls themselves but their coaching team...
You have two of the top two ladies in the world... You should at least be able to help them mantain a level of consistency with what they already had. Instead, you have Kostornaia with stamina issues, losing levels in spins and step sequence, which should still be solid even if the 3A takes longer to regain.
You have Sasha attempting 3A and 4 quads and on top you give her a freaking costume change? Why?!

If PCS scores follow reputation and consistency across different competitions, and your two top skaters lose against people they have never lost to before and they start making uncharacteristic mistakes, then the PCS advantage is going to keep going down and no amount of complaining about the judging will help with that.

i don't think so, especially in a season where literally all of their skaters lost a huge amount of training time. the fact they can't be understanding of that and cut them some slack is really really sad and shows a complete disregard of their athletes.

 

[JazzUp]

When translating an article or statement, please ensure you provide a link to the source. Please edit this post to reflect that

Sure, provided the link in the amended post.

and also include where the article states that a "newbie coach" was given an "ultimatum."

That is my take on what was implied between the lines by Yermolina. As for the "newbie coach" - he is one, even his fans agree with that.

Further, if your point is to discuss a coach, it should be in the appropriate thread.

Nope, don't think there's anything to discuss anymore, everything is crystal clear now.

 

[JazzUp]

. the fact they can't be understanding

RusFed, in fact, was very understanding to Sasha & Alyona - by inflating their scores (by overlooking a few mistakes) as much as they could without the judges looking like complete idiots.

 

[Skatesocs]

Ah, they did speak about others too. Okay that makes sense.

I don't think there's much to say here. I just don't think the tone is as harsh as others seem to think, from the translation provided. I guess it can be said that the words for Tuktamysheva were slightly more positive (this via Google Translate for me), but then they barely spoke at all about Guliakova, and it seems to be a similarly grim tone as Kostornaia and Trusova for her too.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

Congratulations to Liza on her win, I was proud of her. And the program is growing on me.
The beilmann still looks a bit of a struggle. In an interview she said she was stretching more often in order to obtain a level 4. But, ladies don't need a beilmann to get a level 4, right? Heck, do they even need a layback at all? Evgenia axed it all through 2018-19 and still got all level 4s. Yelim kim still gets level 4s. I'm confused.

 

[Skatesocs]

Heck, do they even need a layback at all?

No they do not. But usually it's how they maximize spin BV.

 

[McBibus]

RusFed, in fact, was very understanding to Sasha & Alyona - by inflating their scores (by overlooking a few mistakes) as much as they could without the judges looking like complete idiots.

have a nice evening

 

[Ifwe]

I think RusFed's concerns are justified and they are not addressed at the girls themselves but their coaching team...
You have two of the top two ladies in the world... You should at least be able to help them mantain a level of consistency with what they already had. Instead, you have Kostornaia with stamina issues, losing levels in spins and step sequence, which should still be solid even if the 3A takes longer to regain.
You have Sasha attempting 3A and 4 quads and on top you give her a freaking costume change? Why?!

If PCS scores follow reputation and consistency across different competitions, and your two top skaters lose against people they have never lost to before and they start making uncharacteristic mistakes, then the PCS advantage is going to keep going down and no amount of complaining about the judging will help with that.

with this fake season that worlds and euro will probably get canceled and half of the team is either injured or have covid they shouldn’t be surprised what really matters is next season not this fake one.

 

[JazzUp]

You just plainly stated the the sport you follow is corrupted

I just stated that RusFed is doing what they think is best for them.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Sasha & Alyona themselves (RusFed always does that - try overlooking some mistakes - with their favourites, be it Sasha/Alyona/Anya/Kamila/etc), so no need to get your knickers in a twist.

 

[yume]

How do Valieva and Akatieva's have better landings with rippon than without on their quads?

 

[anonymoose_au]

Ah, they did speak about others too. Okay that makes sense.

Oh they did?

Well funny how the original poster of the article chose to ignore that in order to make one particular coaching team look bad.

Can't imagine why they did that...

 

[silveruskate]

I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but this is Elizaveta's highest combined score EVER? Aside from WTT which doesn't count. You wouldn't be able to tell from her expressions. But congratulations.

 

[McBibus]

I think RusFed's concerns are justified and they are not addressed at the girls themselves but their coaching team...

Absolutelyl justifies, but maybe it would be best to address it privately with the team.
You phone plushenko or go there in person next training day and wash his hair so hard that it curls. (i could not resist when the image got to my mind )

If PCS scores follow reputation and consistency across different competitions, and your two top skaters lose against people they have never lost to before and they start making uncharacteristic mistakes, then the PCS advantage is going to keep going down and no amount of complaining about the judging will help with that.

Reputation is build with consistency and good press.
It may not just help with PCS but even when a judge is coin tossing between +2/+3 or lv3/lv4, and also in a unclear underrotation/edge call.

I may be happy for Liza, but it's a fact this is the 1st time one (well 2) of the 3A lose to someone outside of their circle, and it's an event broadcasted in the whole world.
Beat them once and you can beat them anytime. It's a wall gone down.

The fed publicy adding critics to the result is pushing the girls head down the moment they're barely floating.
So why they did that?
Was detaching the fed from a bad day more important that supporting two of your best prospect?

Am I missing something?

 

[gsk8]

Sure, provided the link in the amended post.


That is my take on what was implied between the lines by Yermolina. As for the "newbie coach" - he is one, even his fans agree with that.


Nope, don't think there's anything to discuss anymore, everything is crystal clear now.

Yes, I saw this article already. I was in the press conference and the quotes are the same as in my and other outlet articles. However, I did not hear, nor do not see in this article, where an RSFS member gave any coach an ultimatum?

 

[flanker]

You just plainly stated the the sport you follow is corrupted (and of course is corrupted in fovour of someone you don't like)
But that's your problem.

My problem is You're offensive to Sasha and Aliona.
Disgusting
Direspectful
Mean

have a nice evening

How many times I've read here about inflating scores of particular skaters (because of corruption, favouritism or whatever)? How many times it was said the way that was clearly disrespectful to those skaters? Plenty of times. And did that meet with a statement "it's a problem"? Nope. If that wasn't a problem then, it shouldn't be a problem now.

Selectivity is a problem.

 

[JazzUp]

in order to make one particular coaching team look bad.

you do realize that including the part about how Mishin's team was great would make "one particular coaching team" look even worse, right?