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It wasn't, but you can keep trying;)
Anna was the first. She landed the first ratified quadruple lutz in 2018 at the 2nd Stage of the Russian Cup (she actually landed two - one in combo) but it wasn't international. She's the first senior to land a 4Lz in international senior competition (and the second senior to land a quad overall - first is Elizabet). She's also the first to land two 4Lz in international competition and the first to land a 4Lz-3 combination in international competition.
 
I need someone to translate Ari Zakarian's latest interview so I can know that a person related to the sport didn't just say "We have a lot of good skaters and even if someone gets sick, there's always a replacement."
I mean the problem is that's not wrong. It's the wrong mindset and definitely enforces the believe that skaters are expendable; however, right now they DO have enough depth that if someone does get sick they have someone almost as good waiting in the wings.
 
Aliona 6th? No chance. You're trying reverse psychology which I perfected as a sports fan . ;)

These kids shake off the covid-19 like it was just a head cold for a few days. No one else canskate like aliona as in as beautiful as Aliona skates. o she will shine no matter what.

If AK finishes 6th her head coach is going to take a pounding. I mean there's no Zhenya there's no Alina and
Liza had covid and Anya had a five-day battle with pneumonia. This is a fairly unpredictable Russian Nationals for the ladies except for maybe KV. But there's a lot of pressure on her we have to see how she handles it.
I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility. She could finish 6th but I think her PCS are too high for that to happen, even with a less than ideal skate.

You also don't know that she will/did "shake off covid-19 like it's just a head cold." And regardless, she would have to miss training time and hasn't been in form this year. I don't think you can say Liza had covid without also acknowledging Alena did too. And we don't know how that will affect either of them. At the minimum, it's affecting training time.

I mean we don't know how various skaters look like now, especially Anna, Liza, and Alena. However, based solely on the Russian Cup/Rostelecom, I would say Alena looked the least prepared and the one who looked like she was skating at her potential the least. Kamila, Anna, Sasha, Liza, and Daria have all looked stronger and have all had impressive moments where it looked like they were back in form or exceeded expectations.

Do I think Alena will finish 6th? No. (She'll get PCS from the judges and her spins/skating skills are absolutely lovely. Plus it's been a couple weeks since we've seen her. And she is the reigning GPF/European champion.) Do I think it absolutely can't happen? That there's no chance? Also no. (She doesn't have the PCS cushion she's had in the past. Also she doesn't necessarily have a 3A so won't have a short program advantage.) Even if Alena has her 3A, Anna isn't far behind her short program score (even without one.) In addition, Kamila, Sasha, and Liza have 3As they have attempted (and in some cases, landed in competition.) It's not unreasonable to think Alena could be working out of a deficient right from the start. And Kamila especially (but Anna as well) have PCS that aren't that far behind her and are climbing. (Anna's was almost the same by the end of last season and Anna is the 2x reigning Russian champion and her PCS are higher this year. Kamila also has recently unveiled her 3A and looks as strong as ever. And is the reigning junior champion of everything lol.) I don't think she can count on a PCS cushion like she could in the past. (Also Sasha, Liza, and Daria's PCS' are rising as well.)

So, in conclusion, yes I think a lot would have to happen for Alena to finish 6th and other skaters would have to skate to their potential and exceptions but it also wouldn't surprise me neither.
 
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It's the wrong mindset and definitely enforces the believe that skaters are expendable
Should have left it there. That's the problem. Its """""truth""""" is pointless. And could be easily rebutted by what kind of superspreader events they seem to be running, unless I missed the memo when Russia suddenly had a literal infinite supply of skaters, and even 41517 skaters getting sick just wouldn't matter.

I didn't take it as Russia having enough depth for it to not matter, anyway. It looked to me like he was happy an event could still take place even if a bunch of people fell sick and couldn't attend.
 
I need someone to translate Ari Zakarian's latest interview so I can know that a person related to the sport didn't just say "We have a lot of good skaters and even if someone gets sick, there's always a replacement."
He indeed said that.
Should have left it there. That's the problem. Its """""truth""""" is pointless.

I didn't take it as Russia having enough depth for it to not matter, anyway. It looked to me like he was happy an event could still take place even if a bunch of people fell sick and couldn't attend.
He seemed to be answering the question about whether or not Europeans are getting cancelled because top Russian athletes are sick. He could’ve said no, it’s not because of russians, I don’t get why he had to say, what he said, the question wasn’t calling for that answer...
 
Should have left it there. That's the problem. Its """""truth""""" is pointless. And could be easily rebutted by what kind of superspreader events they seem to be running, unless I missed the memo when Russia suddenly had a literal infinite supply of skaters, and even 41517 skaters getting sick just wouldn't matter.

I didn't take it as Russia having enough depth for it to not matter, anyway. It looked to me like he was happy an event could still take place even if a bunch of people fell sick and couldn't attend.
I don't think anyone is arguing their priorities are wrong. Just that it's proof of the fact that they are. However, right now he feels like he can get away with it. (It's kinda like the US and women's gymnastics (team). They're going to win no matter who they break along the way and who they send.)
 
He indeed said that.

He seemed to be answering the question about whether or not Europeans are getting cancelled because top Russian athletes are sick. He could’ve said no, it’s not because of russians, I don’t get why he had to say, what he said, the question wasn’t calling for that answer...

What's this guys role? Perhaps it could be a translation issue, but if not.... let's be honest the Russian figure skating community seems to specialize in inappropriate answers to questions.
 
What's this guys role? Perhaps it could be a translation issue, but if not.... let's be honest the Russian figure skating community seems to specialize in inappropriate answers to questions.
He‘s like a manager or agent for a lot of skaters, has something to do with shows and other gigs for skaters. He’s a bit like Mister Krabs of figure skating to me, the impression I personally get from his interviews is that he‘s really concerned about monetary side of things, not necessarily about other sides as much. Maybe I‘m wrong, just the impression I‘ve had of him for a while.
 
He could’ve said no, it’s not because of russians, I don’t get why he had to say, what he said, the question wasn’t calling for that answer...
Yes. Literally any number of answers could have been better and MORE COMPASSIONATE, seeing that a number of skaters recently were diagnosed with one illness or the other. Wtf?! Really, they are dispensable because there are more where they came from, don't worry about this event?!

Maybe I‘m wrong, just the impression I‘ve had of him for a while.
No I agree.
 
Hey, can’t fault him for being honest. They asked an honest question, they got an honest answer.

This is the nature of sports, especially individual sports. For every 1 that is on top, thousands are trying to get that spot.

Sure, it isn’t compassionate to state it out loud, but he’s not wrong. Especially when it is as competitive and deep as Russian ladies figure skating.

He just said aloud what everyone is thinking.

There are 18 spots in Nationals and how many skaters chasing those spots? If there was a shortage in sure they would have postponed the event to get everyone healthy.

On the flip side, your event is better, higher quality and more memorable if the best of the best are there and as healthy as possible.
 
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Hey, can’t fault him for being honest. They asked an honest question, they got an honest answer.

This is the nature of sports, especially individual sports. For every 1 that is on top, thousands are trying to get that spot.

Sure, it isn’t compassionate to state it out loud, but he’s not wrong. Especially when it is as competitive and deep as Russian ladies figure skating.

He just said aloud what everyone is thinking.

There are 18 spots in Nationals and how many skaters chasing those spots? If there was a shortage in sure they would have postponed the event to get everyone healthy.

On the flip side, your event is better, higher quality and more memorable if the best of the best are there and as healthy as possible.
Something being true and it being an appropriate thing to say in a public interview is IMO two verry different things. That russias B-team is better than most other contries A-team is I think well established but thats not relly the issue here. Stating in a public interview that its ok iif some of their athletes get ill because we have ennough to replace them comes off as not caring at all for the well being of the individuals. When speaking as an official from the federation it makes it seem like this is the view of the entire fed which is problematic. It also doesnt help his cas e that many of the athletes in question are still minors.

What you say and think in private is not the same as what you say when representing a federation publicly. If I want to tell my friends that its fine (for me) if a few people withdraws from rusnats from covid because it wil still be a enjoyable event for me to watch I am perfectly within my rights to say it with only my friends to hear and judge me for it (and hopefully taking the statement as it was intended). An official from RusFed stating that its fine if some of our athletes get ill because they will still have a competitive event is different because I dont have a responsibilty to look out for the best interest of the russian skaters ulike the federation. The difference here lies in responsibility!
 
Something being true and it being an appropriate thing to say in a public interview is IMO two verry different things. That russias B-team is better than most other contries A-team is I think well established but thats not relly the issue here. Stating in a public interview that its ok iif some of their athletes get ill because we have ennough to replace them comes off as not caring at all for the well being of the individuals. When speaking as an official from the federation it makes it seem like this is the view of the entire fed which is problematic. It also doesnt help his cas e that many of the athletes in question are still minors.

What you say and think in private is not the same as what you say when representing a federation publicly. If I want to tell my friends that its fine (for me) if a few people withdraws from rusnats from covid because it wil still be a enjoyable event for me to watch I am perfectly within my rights to say it with only my friends to hear and judge me for it (and hopefully taking the statement as it was intended). An official from RusFed stating that its fine if some of our athletes get ill because they will still have a competitive event is different because I dont have a responsibilty to look out for the best interest of the russian skaters ulike the federation. The difference here lies in responsibility!
The skaters also know this is true. It’s one of the reasons they are where they are and why it’s so competitive.

Fair or not, even a small injury can hurt your career here more than any other federation.

I myself would probably be more diplomatic too.

It’s one of the darker sides of high level sports: how easily you can be replaced.

Plus skaters are some of the toughest and disciplined athletes on the planet.
These comments probably enrage the fans more than the skaters I think.
 
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I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility. She could finish 6th but I think her PCS are too high for that to happen, even with a less than ideal skate.

You also don't know that she will/did "shake off covid-19 like it's just a head cold." And regardless, she would have to miss training time and hasn't been in form this year. I don't think you can say Liza had covid without also acknowledging Alena did too. And we don't know how that will affect either of them. At the minimum, it's affecting training time.

I mean we don't know how various skaters look like now, especially Anna, Liza, and Alena. However, based solely on the Russian Cup/Rostelecom, I would say Alena looked the least prepared and the one who looked like she was skating at her potential the least. Kamila, Anna, Sasha, Liza, and Daria have all looked stronger and have all had impressive moments where it looked like they were back in form or exceeded expectations.

Do I think Alena will finish 6th? No. (She'll get PCS from the judges and her spins/skating skills are absolutely lovely. Plus it's been a couple weeks since we've seen her. And she is the reigning GPF/European champion.) Do I think it absolutely can't happen? That there's no chance? Also no. (She doesn't have the PCS cushion she's had in the past. Also she doesn't necessarily have a 3A so won't have a short program advantage.) Even if Alena has her 3A, Anna isn't far behind her short program score (even without one.) In addition, Kamila, Sasha, and Liza have 3As they have attempted (and in some cases, landed in competition.) It's not unreasonable to think Alena could be working out of a deficient right from the start. And Kamila especially (but Anna as well) have PCS that aren't that far behind her and are climbing. (Anna's was almost the same by the end of last season and Anna is the 2x reigning Russian champion and her PCS are higher this year. Kamila also has recently unveiled her 3A and looks as strong as ever. And is the reigning junior champion of everything lol.) I don't think she can count on a PCS cushion like she could in the past. (Also Sasha, Liza, and Daria's PCS' are rising as well.)

So, in conclusion, yes I think a lot would have to happen for Alena to finish 6th and other skaters would have to skate to their potential and exceptions but it also wouldn't surprise me neither.
we agreed that the PCS for aliona will be too high to drop her that low. it's also true we don't know the help or form of the skaters who have not been feeling well or have pneumonia or covid-19 ever it was and they may be bunched together so you may have 10 points between five skaters first to fifth.
 
(...) At the minimum, it's affecting training time.

I mean we don't know how various skaters look like now, especially Anna, Liza, and Alena. However, based solely on the Russian Cup/Rostelecom, I would say Alena looked the least prepared and the one who looked like she was skating at her potential the least. Kamila, Anna, Sasha, Liza, and Daria have all looked stronger and have all had impressive moments where it looked like they were back in form or exceeded expectations.
That's the thing. Training time. Except Anastasia Tarakanova who resumed skating in September, Alena Kostornaia, with her 2+ weeks off-ice until early August, was by far the one with the most recent off-ice interruption, and we have read everywhere that in such case training had to restart from scratch. In fact, had she been able to compete at 5th stage of Cup of Russia, she would have had exactly the same time since her last interruption, as others skaters at Test Skates, which are always "clumsy". And would have had a chance to be back to her last season level for Nationals. But instead she had this third two-week off-ice period!
I don't know how long Elisaveta Tuktamysheva remained off-ice (and I know she recovers fast, maybe because she's got so many years of senior training) but Anna Shcherbakova didn't stay long off-ice with her pneumonia (which I am so glad of), only a few days, that's not the same at all. Two weeks are just the time to "lose everything", from what I read many times.
So, at Nationals we will have an Alena Kostornaia with only ten days training since her resuming skating, and what can she do? She will do her best but we cannot expect her to skate, even remotely as well as she did at 4th stage of Cup of Russia, 2½ months after resuming skating. And this, probably because RusFed took the decision of an after-gala dinner without safety measures, and of letting (unmasked) fans access skaters freely, take selfies etc. She is likely to be back in shape for Worlds, but will she have a spot?
It has nothing to do anyway, with her level being not the same : how can we know as she has not been allowed sufficient time on-ice to recover it?
This year Russian Nationals will definitely not be a fair way of seeing who's best fit to go to Worlds.
 
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