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Here is what turns me off on this thread. The discussion should go like this.

Post #1. Anna's Lutz edge is often unclear/questionable.

Post #2. No it's not. Her Lutz is fine.

Post #3. ? Why should there be a post #3? Everything has already been said in either post #1 or post #2.
 
Well, I remember when Alyona left Eteri that many people did criticize her for her character.
One of the posters here even said that she is behaving like tr**h and pretty much no one reacted to this. No one said "but is she just a little girl, a hardworking teenager... "
But If I say that Anna is proud and has horrid technique and so on, then there is always this "but she is a little girl bla bla bla". I do remember when I was Anna's age and younger and I hated so much every possible cheating technique... (For example most students cheated on exams and I never did. Skating is so similar to school in so many ways. And to life...)
First of all, there WERE people who defended Aliona - and continue to do so. She's one of my favourite skaters. In fact, some of the negative comments about her character originate from you and the rumours you put in this forum about her relationships.

Second of all, even if that were true that does not give you or anyone license to criticize another skater's character. It's frankly hypocritical and immature.
 
Well, I remember when Alyona left Eteri that many people did criticize her for her character.
One of the posters here even said that she is behaving like tr**h and pretty much no one reacted to this. No one said "but is she just a little girl, a hardworking teenager... "
But If I say that Anna is proud and has horrid technique and so on, then there is always this "but she is a little girl bla bla bla". I do remember when I was Anna's age and younger and I hated so much every possible cheating technique... (For example most students cheated on exams and I never did. Skating is so similar to school in so many ways. And to life...)
How is jumping according to the rules cheating?

Or let's see. How is judges not giving her a ! on her Lutz HER fault?

It's honestly baffling how you can now complain about her character. It's the best part about her, even beyond her skating. For example, Vasilieva was absolutely beaming when she was doing a live stream and describing how it was to be Anna's roommate, she couldn't stop herself from smiling, complimented her non-stop, called her a little angel, etc.
 
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IF no one called out the posters who tried to assassinate Kostornaia's character, then shame on them. It's not a ticket for you to assassinate Shcherbakova's character, however.
You do realize that saying someone is "behaving like trash" and she is "proud and so on" is not the same, right?
 
Here is what turns me off on this thread. The discussion should go like this.

Post #1. Anna's Lutz edge is often unclear/questionable.

Post #2. No it's not. Her Lutz is fine.

Post #3. ? Why should there be a post #3? Everything has already been said in either post #1 or post #2.
I should print this out and frame it! :laugh:

It's probably because most people like to have the last word. If poster #1 just let's it go after post #2 they probably feel like they're admitting that poster is right. If they look at such things as SRS BSNS it can be really hard to let go.

Like I'm not as invested in the US and Japanese ladies, so if I pop into their thread and find a simmering discussion on edge and PCS I'll just shake my head and lol.

With the Russian Ladies though it's more like this:

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First of all, there WERE people who defended Aliona - and continue to do so. She's one of my favourite skaters. In fact, some of the negative comments about her character originate from you and the rumours you put in this forum about her relationships.

Second of all, even if that were true that does not give you or anyone license to criticize another skater's character. It's frankly hypocritical and immature.
So If she is in love this makes her an awful person or what? Hmm...
How is jumping according to the rules cheating?

Or let's see. How is judges not giving her a ! on her Lutz HER fault?

It's honestly baffling how you can now complain about her character. It's the best part about her, even beyond her skating. For example, Vasilieva was absolutely beaming when she was doing a live stream and describing how it was to be Anna's roommate, she couldn't stop herself from smiling, complimented her non-stop, called her a little angel, etc.
Read again Yuzuru words about 4Lz, please.
"Of course, the 4Lz is very difficult, but it's possible that everyone may be able to jump it, if they want to. It also depends on the type of skater. In my case, no matter how hard I practice, I can't pre-rotate it. It wasn't taught that way when I was young. Gradually, the 4Lz might stop being a lutz jump."
Yes. Judges are at fault and coaches are at fault. But the skaters are the one executing such subpar quad lutzes and quad flips. Anna has agreed to do this. And so is Shoma and many others. Just not fair to the skaters with perfect technique who probably worked 1000 harder than Anna and Shoma. They did.
 
Saw that, and a bit concerned that it has been a long time since I've seen any skating posts from Camp Trusova/Plusy's acct. etc. I know she had a serious injury and I'm wondering if there is some bad news from the Trusova Camp. (The only post has been the watch sponsorship-but no skating/practice/jump posts at all)
 
I should print this out and frame it! :laugh:

It's probably because most people like to have the last word. If poster #1 just let's it go after post #2 they probably feel like they're admitting that poster is right. If they look at such things as SRS BSNS it can be really hard to let go.

Like I'm not as invested in the US and Japanese ladies, so if I pop into their thread and find a simmering discussion on edge and PCS I'll just shake my head and lol.

With the Russian Ladies though it's more like this:

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I love xkcd!!
 
So If she is in love this makes her an awful person or what? Hmm...
*sigh*

First of all, it's a rumour that hasn't been substantiated and he is in a position of power over her. Let's first wait to see the veracity of the rumour and then discuss the moralities and ethics of it.

Second of all, I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I never said she was an awful person nor did I imply anything negative towards her. In fact, I defended her.
 
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You know what we should do instead? Praise the novices whom just competed a few days ago! I really like Alena Krivonosova and Elena Kostyleva! I also think Sofia Shifrina has improved so much since I last saw her. Same with Titova and Kulikova. (Liza Kulikova is my favorite skater of the many, but I do not like her programs this season. Scratch that. I haven't liked any of her competitive programs. They all falter in the shadows of her Ice Age Kids programs).
 
Here is what turns me off on this thread. The discussion should go like this.

Post #1. Anna's Lutz edge is often unclear/questionable.

Post #2. No it's not. Her Lutz is fine.

Post #3. ? Why should there be a post #3? Everything has already been said in either post #1 or post #2.
You're absolutely right. Post 1 & 2 is enough. And that tells us that there is different opinions. Nuf said, and just leave it at that.
 
Well, since 2022 Olympics are almost upon us we could consider the 2026 Olympics.

In addition to some potential veterans such as Kamila Valieva(Or even Shcherbakova, Trusova), there would also be skaters such as Sofia Akatieva, Sofia Samodelkina for 07 and Veronika Zhilina for 08. Now, when it comes to these, I think that Veronika Zhilina has the highest ceiling for sure, with Sofia Akatieva right up there as well. Both have triple axels and multiple quads. Akatieva should have a PCS advantage at this point in time, although I think Zhilina has plenty of potential there as well. Zhilina's the better spinner. Akatieva to this point has been far more consistent than Zhilina and if that doesn't change in a major way, she should be the prime favorite since someone like Valieva just can't compete with her tech content.


For the younger age groups still eligible for 2026, I don't think they would be nearly as strong overall. 09 has Sofia Titova from Plushenko's who has done very well lately, but I don't think she has nearly enough high-end potential to compete with these quad girls. Although I'm sure Plushenko will be trying to teach her quads and 3A. For Plushenko there also is Veronika's younger sister Alena, who's actually been learning 3Axel. However, I don't think she's nearly as talented as her older sister in just about any regard, especially jumps - even the 3A attempt's quite tiny. Hence, I don't expect these to really be able to compete.

Someone quite interesting for 10 is actually Krivonosova in my opinion. Of course, she's probably ahead of everyone else listed here in PCS categories, but in terms of jumps... Just last year I wouldn't have considered her to have any sort of a chance, but she's actually gotten some jumps out of nowhere, an absolute massive improvement in a year. Usually these skaters don't show such a dramatic improvement in jumps in such a short amount of time. Just some 5 months earlier she couldn't even get past a downgrade on a 3A attempt, but then recently did a massive fully rotated off-ice 3A. I mean the improvement in such a time is just insane, for a skater still learning 3-3.


So I'd say that overall, for 2026 the safest bet would be Sofia Akatieva, with Veronika Zhilina having incredibly high potential if she could reach it. Possibility a veteran could make a stance if able to sustain the jumps for so long. And I'd have Krivonosova as the June 2010 birthday joker card, similar to how Valieva is for 2022.
 
2026 predictions are so scary. But given that our 2022 ones don't seem to be too off, I wouldn't be surprised if Akatieva, Samodelkina and Zhilina stay the frontrunners. Looks like Kostyleva is too young for 2026, in which case I would say out of the 09 and 10 generation Titova looks to be the most stable. I prefer Krivonosova, Dzepka and Melkumova but alas... jumps. I'd put Shifrina as a dark horse as well. I liked her at the recent event, very good basics. Rubtsova is probably on that list as well (didn't she land a 3A or quad?). Maybe Dvoeglazova with a clean 4T could be a contender as well... she had the highest (or second highest?) TES for the recent event. None of the 09 and 10 generation are "full package" quite yet, but they are soooooo talented and so young that I'm amazed by all of them nonetheless. Most of them just need to get stable jumps and possibly a ultra-c element and they'd be right up there with Akatieva, Samodelkina and Zhilina.

The interesting thing is 2022 might be postponed a year... in which case Samodelkina's right there to claim her spot. With her consistent 3As and quads she'd be a top contender IMO. I would be upset if it were postponed a year though... even if that gives Sofia S. a chance.
 
Actually I do think it's still too early to predict 2026. I just looked at Kamila's scores from 2017-18 and she was consistently placing behind Sinitsyna, Frolova, Shabotova, Kanysheva, Chistyakova etc. A lot can happen in an off-season I guess.
 
Looks like Kostyleva is too young for 2026, in which case I would say out of the 09 and 10 generation Titova looks to be the most stable. I prefer Krivonosova, Dzepka and Melkumova but alas... jumps. I'd put Shifrina as a dark horse as well. I liked her at the recent event, very good basics. Rubtsova is probably on that list as well (didn't she land a 3A or quad?). Maybe Dvoeglazova with a clean 4T could be a contender as well... she had the highest (or second highest?) TES for the recent event. None of the 09 and 10 generation are "full package" quite yet, but they are soooooo talented and so young that I'm amazed by all of them nonetheless. Most of them just need to get stable jumps and possibly a ultra-c element and they'd be right up there with Akatieva, Samodelkina and Zhilina.
The Krivonosova one is simply because of this and projecting off it:
www.instagram.com/p/CIqdPcHJxGO/

With Rubtsova for example, she could have the potential for quads indeed. But is just having quads enough, unless it's an insane talent like Veronika Zhilina? I think PCS categories or spins etc would be required and Rubtsova just doesn't have that.

Assumption is that everyone has quads right, so you'd need to differentiate... Only Veronika Zhilina I think could purely get by with quads. Maybe Akatieva but she doesn't solely have quads so moot point. And well, Veronika has some PCS potential I think, she's actually musical unlike the vast majority. If she learns facial expressions by the time she's 17, perhaps...


Actually, the initial 2022 Olympic projections are looking pretty spot on aren't they. Trusova, Shcherbakova and Kamila Valieva were IIRC the primary names mentioned, with Kostornaya as well as a consideration. I think it's looking to shape up exactly how predicted, though the actual results will of course depend on the form and judging of the day.
 
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