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I think it’s because of her new FS, there probably wasn’t enough time to learn it properly...
This cup is a commercial fun event, sponsored by a TV channel, I don’t think Rusfed considers it as a selection.
Hopefully Aliona will have enough time to prepare for Russian Cup Final, where I assume they would decide whether it’s her or Liza.
yeah i would assume it something like that. the article also said she was not fully recovered from covid. i hope this competition doesn't hold any weight, but in all honesty they kind of all do even if it is only for funsies. everyone still draws conclusions and makes judgements based on how they skate to some extent, and her not competing again doesn't do her any favors. this season is just a mess for her :(
 
Just to confirm... Did she for sure change it? This post claims differently:

Aliona replied to a fan that she has a brand new FS.
 
That's really unfortunate. We thought she might but then Maiia didn't say anything about replacing her when asked about withdrawing from the other competition. I don't think it hurts Aliona's chances for the world team, as long as she beats Liza in the cup final she'll get the spot.
 
I think it’s because of her new FS, there probably wasn’t enough time to learn it properly...
This cup is a commercial fun event, sponsored by a TV channel, I don’t think Rusfed considers it as a selection.
Hopefully Aliona will have enough time to prepare for Russian Cup Final, where I assume they would decide whether it’s her or Liza.
But WHY would they even decide to change the FS in the middle of the season, after she struggled with jumps, an injury, new boots and COVID? She had problems remembering the last choreo properly under competition pressure, why add even more distractions? The choreography to the program was boring, sure, but it wasn‘t atrocious and for a season like this, a better costume + some filler elements could have saved it pretty easily. Not spectacular, perhaps, but not terrible either.

She needs all the time she can get to make a convincing case at the Cup Final for the Worlds team because right now, it‘s not looking good. Debuting a completely new program at a qualifying competition is really risky and I just don‘t see any benefits to it.
 
Okay, thanks @Lunalovesskating . Though I am not sure I'd say it's the program... A bit back I wondered if she still had COVID in this thread... And it turns out she hasn't fully recovered yet. I think that's the main thing :( there's an interview on Twitter going around, with Aliev, he has several after effects from his illness. It's okay if Kostornaia doesn't go here. She needs time to recover. There are more important things than skating and I'm glad she has priorities.
 
Okay, thanks @Lunalovesskating . Though I am not sure I'd say it's the program... A bit back I wondered if she still had COVID in this thread... And it turns out she hasn't fully recovered yet. I think that's the main thing :( there's an interview on Twitter going around, with Aliev, he has several after effects from his illness. It's okay if Kostornaia doesn't go here. She needs time to recover. There are more important things than skating and I'm glad she has priorities.
Considering that Aliona's recovery time was so long and they now have chosen a new FS, my theory is that they may already have decided to sit out the rest of the season (4 weeks until the Cup Final) and are focusing on the next season. Aliona won silver at the GP so her spot on the NT is safe. Worlds is still in the unknown and with more and more skaters being open about the serious health complications they suffered due to Covid and the new Covid variants spreading around, I think Worlds may not take place despite ISU's efforts. So sitting out the rest of the season and focusing on her health and preparing for the next season might be the smartest choice currently, although it breaks my heart, because I want to see Alioka skate this season. Still keeping my fingers crossed for the Cup Final though.
 
Quick update for the Channel One Trophy:

According to the channel one guide, here is the broadcast schedule.



Friday, February 5, 2021
21:30
"Hot ice." Channel One Figure Skating Cup. Alina Zagitova / Evgeniya Medvedeva

Saturday, February 6, 2021
17:45
"Hot ice." Channel One Cup. Alina Zagitova / Evgeniya Medvedeva

Sunday, February 7, 2021

17:20
"Hot ice." Channel One Cup. Alina Zagitova / Evgeniya Medvedeva

The international stream link for Friday has gone private. Don’t know why.

 
I think Alena needs to get back into competitions and on the radar now.
For her psychology as a competitor, but also to keep her in a certain light for the judges. Olympics are next year (hopefully). Why waste time and competitions on some new FS in this irrelevant botched season, a FS she will show probably only once, maybe twice. I know she is headstrong but maybe the coaches should have reasoned a bit
 
Why waste time and competitions on some new FS in this irrelevant botched season...
Probably because the original FS was so widely hated. I mean YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, this board and others, the consensus was it was a complete disaster.

Maybe Aliona made the mistake of looking at these comments while she was out sick and was so effected by them (after all I'm sure it'd be a shock after all the love she used to get) that she can't imagine skating to the original FS anymore?

I mean would you? The expectation as soon as she takes the ice with it is it's going to be a total disappointment or even disaster, it's going to effect your mindset.
FS she will show probably only once, maybe twice.
I thought the assumption was this could be an FS she'd carry into the Olympic season?
 
I think Alena needs to get back into competitions and on the radar now.
For her psychology as a competitor, but also to keep her in a certain light for the judges. Olympics are next year (hopefully). Why waste time and competitions on some new FS in this irrelevant botched season, a FS she will show probably only once, maybe twice. I know she is headstrong but maybe the coaches should have reasoned a bit
If she‘s still recovering, there‘s nothing she can do. COVID can have scary consequences. Skaters have retired from it and others like Medvedeva, Grassl and Aliev have spoken about lung or heart damage.

I guess, if she‘s really decided to just forget about this season, then the strategy with the new FS makes sense. Get back in shape slowly and spend the time working on the Olympic choreo. Use the summer to regain jumps + learn a SP.

I only worry about the consequences for next season. In Russian ladies skating, taking a season (or half a season) off, can kill your momentum entirely. And if Liza/Daria/Maiia (not to mention Sasha/Anna/Kamila who, at this point, look like a pretty safe OG team..) perform well for the rest of the year, she‘ll have even more of an uphill battle to climb.

Still, health is the most important and it‘s better not to rush anything than to end up with long term consequences...
 
Watching the stream after the event (as usual for me at the moment :P), but thoughts as I go:

Elizaveta Osokina is such a favourite of mine. Her look for the SP is awesome, with the contrasting colours of her dress and her vivid hair, and she reminds me a lot of Sansa Stark. I love her spins, they are so different from the usual positions, and her lutz is wonderful, coming out of seemingly nowhere. She did seem to slow down a bit towards the end, but otherwise she was so dynamic and playful and just such a fun performer.

Veronika Zhilina is so tiny but so focused. She is really athletic - her 3A looked huge, such a pity she couldn't land it, as the loss of the combination really hurt her score. She's also so supple, in both her spins and her split jumps, and she moves wonderfully through her body. She's still going through the moves at times, but she's so young, and she will only improve.

Anna Frolova has grown on me. She's presenting this SP better each time, is careful and meticulous, paying attention to every detail, and skating patiently into the jumps. Really happy to see her go clean after her rough showing at Senior Nationals.

Ksenia Tsibinova is elegant and graceful, and that longer dress is just so pretty and floaty. I also cheered for the 3F-3Lo, breaking the parade of 3F-3T. Loop combinations are really exciting when they are done well, as the loop just pops off the ice almost before I expect it. Would have liked her to hold her final pose for just one extra count, as she struck it and then moved on from it.

Anastasia Morozova impressed me. She was fast, she was bold, she had the direct challenging look and the crisp movements of the tango. And then she came unstuck on the combination at the end, but up until then she was a little red chilli pepper zooming round the ice.

Sofia Muravieva has really improved since test skates. She doesn't look as frantic (though there were still some moments), and is really filling out the movements with her arms and upper body. She's so fast, she really whizzed into that final spin; I also feel her jumps have become bigger and more secure, but ... I can't actually remember how she was jumping at the start of the season. Am inclined to think that the choreography is the problem with this programme, as there just seems to be so much of it, to the point that it feels too busy, which is why Sofia has to race around.

Sofia Akatieva is marvellous. She hung onto that 3A and got the combo out, and then went on to skate the rest of the programme with an assurance and poise that is years ahead of her actual age. Her arms are really beautiful, and her hands are so soft and floaty that at times they were at odds with the music, which (to me) calls for something a little sharper. Also, a cantilever and a hydroblade?!? Was really surprised that she placed behind Muravieva, even if it was just under two tenths of a point behind.

(Small giggle at the fact that after Akatieva had skated, the top three skaters were all Sofias.)

Adeliya Petrosyan oozes charisma. She performs, she has presence, she just draws me in as a viewer. She did not seem as fast as some of the others, she doesn't have the technical arsenal of Samodelkina and Akatieva, and sometimes her movements weren't as sharp as they might have been, but she has some indefinable quality that makes it just not matter to me. It's not the easiest piece of music to skate to, but she really handled it well.

Maria Paramonova is another with lovely carriage of her arms; I really liked the wing beats choreography to match the lyrics, especially as her arms were so soft. She's a good spinner as well.

Elizaveta Berestovskaya is charming. Her programme is charming. The choreography is charming. Charming is what she is, as the little clockwork Sugar Plum Fairy. She has that adorable smile and looks so happy to be out there. Also, her layback spin was so fast, and her extension into the Biellmann looked effortless.

Honestly, though, they were all wonderful. So much passion, so much talent, so much energy. Every single one of those young skaters has clearly worked hard, and it shows, because they are all wonderful.
 
But WHY would they even decide to change the FS in the middle of the season, after she struggled with jumps, an injury, new boots and COVID? She had problems remembering the last choreo properly under competition pressure, why add even more distractions? The choreography to the program was boring, sure, but it wasn‘t atrocious and for a season like this, a better costume + some filler elements could have saved it pretty easily. Not spectacular, perhaps, but not terrible either.

She needs all the time she can get to make a convincing case at the Cup Final for the Worlds team because right now, it‘s not looking good. Debuting a completely new program at a qualifying competition is really risky and I just don‘t see any benefits to it.
But didn't Zhenya Med do it succesfully with Tosca once for the Cup Final? Oh, yeah, it was SP but still brand new...
 
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Odd that Sofia M's step sequence went down a level. Does anyone here understand step sequence levels and have the time to explain why?
It's not odd, watching live I thought it clearly was a lvl 3 and thought lvl 4 was wrong. That's because I thought she cheated on a turn during the first combination, making lvl 3 the max she could possibly receive.
Not trying to start a fight here but genuine question:
Hadn't this thread decided that Sambo/Eteri are the bribing monsters whose skaters get undeserved bonus over everyone else and if you leave her you get punished? Now it's CSKA as well?
Well that'd mostly be so internationally, which is also where CSKA skaters don't receive any sort of bonus scoring whatsoever. Domestically, it has been CSKA as well as Snow Leopards receiving huge scores that don't get replicated internationally.

And on Maria Frolova, she was getting "underscored" even with Snow Leopards, I assume they just don't like her.

But, it has been a CSKA thing all along. It's not some "now" as if it was a recent development. Rather, it's a new development that Sambo-70 skaters would receive high scoring without having international results boosting them up first. I'd say that that was started by Valieva. If we remember, Trusova, Kostornaya, Shcherbakova etc. all were receiving low to very low scoring before they blew up internationally.
 
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Russian judges showing how it's done - you can fumble everything there is but still get it graded as a 3A3T combo 😂

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Yh I had said this in the live thread. She shouldn't have had that 3T counted.
 
It's not odd, watching live I thought it clearly was a lvl 3 and thought lvl 4 was wrong. That's because I thought she cheated on a turn during the first combination, making lvl 3 the max she could possibly receive.

Well that'd mostly be so internationally, which is also where CSKA skaters don't receive any sort of bonus scoring whatsoever. Domestically, it has been CSKA as well as Snow Leopards receiving huge scores that don't get replicated internationally.

And on Maria Frolova, she was getting "underscored" even with Snow Leopards, I assume they just don't like her.
Which turn? The only thing that looked a bit out of place to me in the step sequence was the loop (backward outside loop I think?) where I think she overrotated it.

I think you mean Anna. Yeah, she's always been underscored. Poor girl deserved higher in the Russian Nationals Free Skate IMO. But I honestly think a good majority of the snow leopards deserve the scores they get. They have great basics and skating skills and very good jumps as well. If anything they're underscored internationally.
 
I think Alena needs to get back into competitions and on the radar now.
That might not be such a good idea if she isn’t ready. In a few months she’ll probably be ready to show her 100% best and she‘s going to need it if she wants to make the Olympics. If she shows up now but can’t compete with the other girls that might not leave such a good impression with the judges for next season. Plus, it’s not like she is completely off the radar she is still the reining Euopean and GPF champion
 
But didn't Zhenya Med do it succesfully with Tosca once for the Cup Final? Oh, yeah, it was SP but still brand new...
Well, if you remember, her first outing with that new program (RusNats) didn‘t exactly go all too well... which is why it’s so risky to change programs this late in the season- you don‘t have many chances to get familiar with them under pressure.
 
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