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Anna's 2A gets bigger every season, it looks close to Kamila's 3A? I hope Anna can get a 3A, but she has said she's been working on it for a few years now and still doesn't have it. Without it, her medal will always depend on Kamila and it's never a good thing to depend on others' mistakes. Kamila is also becoming more consistent and there will be no PCS gap next season.
 
Anna's 2A gets bigger every season, it looks close to Kamila's 3A? I hope Anna can get a 3A, but she has said she's been working on it for a few years now and still doesn't have it. Without it, her medal will always depend on Kamila and it's never a good thing to depend on others' mistakes. Kamila is also becoming more consistent and there will be no PCS gap next season.
Yeah I noticed Anna’s 2A was so much bigger here than at Nationals or at the Cup Stages. It was also much less swingy. Hopefully that means triple is coming soon!!
 
But since they succesfully aded a 3A to alionas Angel program they should be able to work the 3A into Kamillas as well by maybe changing some of the coreo.
Unfortunately, I can't take this as a valid argument because we are talking about two completely different musical pieces here. Team Tutberidze has tried so far to put the 3A as a first and as a second jumping pass, and they indeed changed the choreography by removing some of the good transitional moves, but it still felt rough. "Storm" just requires the skater to hit the notes. Also, Aliona had a really unique transition into the 3A, by changing the edges she could complement the music, whereas Kamila is doing the classical extended intro. So, they either go with a nah choreo to a good music, or they aim to introduce a more sophisticated entry or to put the 3A at the end, which I don't see to be safe and strategically clever. Maybe I am overthinking it, or just got too much exposure to that particular SP, since I have rewatched it at least 100 times :biggrin: but I would appreciate if they give her something new.
 
You're all spot on about the choreography changes in Kamila's short program, that it isn't as good as it used to be. Makes me think. Daniil said Bolero was his masterpiece (lol), so I wonder if the short was originally so good kind of by accident. He completely didn't realize how good it was or why, and so doesn't realize that the changes have made it less good or why. My other thought was that because of the way the musical accents were originally emphasized so well, the program reminded my of DQ and made me wonder whether Eteri had a bigger hand in choreographing it.
 
Anna's 2A gets bigger every season, it looks close to Kamila's 3A? I hope Anna can get a 3A, but she has said she's been working on it for a few years now and still doesn't have it.

The first time I ever heard about her working on it was last season, but then Covid offseason hit, she mentioned in an interview this season that she was going to work on re-stabilizing her quads before she worked on gaining the triple axel.

Without it, her medal will always depend on Kamila and it's never a good thing to depend on others' mistakes. Kamila is also becoming more consistent

Not necessarily; Shcherbakova still has in her arsenal the 2 highest valued quads and she can do them in combination, Valieva at this point only has the quad toe which isn't super high valued. Shcherbakova holds the top 3 positions for highest scored quad combinations from International judges, twice her 4Lz+3T last season scored over 19 points, for the most part her solo quad lutz last year scored 14 points internationally - more than Valieva has gotten for most of her quad combinations with domestic scoring (below are Valieva's quad scores from this year plus what I believe is her highest international score on a quad).

Valieva: 5th Cup event: 4t+2t, 13.27; 4T, 12.35; 2nd Cup event: 4t+2t, 13.65; 4T - fall . Nationals: 4t+2t, 14.74; 4T, 13.16. ***Highest international score on her 4T+2T is 13.79

Kamila is also becoming more consistent and there will be no PCS gap next season.
I know Shcherbakova has gotten some favorable scoring as well, but we need to remember this season is all domestic scoring at this point.
 
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yeah she rocks 😻❤️👏 it’s her best SP
Amazing! Keep that SP for next season and tweak it a little bit. Kamilas 3A was Aliona like!

Have we ever seen of 14 year old at the level of KV? Tara or Michelle maybe?

What must princess Anya be thinking? There's a shark in the water and it's a great white shark! ;)
 
My other general thoughts about the ladies SP:
Kamila's Rippon triple axel was incredible, well done to her. She did seem to be rushing the choreography at some points. The way she wings her foot - while I don't always think it's the prettiest in those clunky skates - is very impressive and ballet-esque, and the complete opposite of Scherbakova. Her movements are lovely but her face is so blank though, also the opposite of Scherbakova.
I really appreciate what the short does for Maiia and how she performs it, I always enjoy someone with personality on the ice. She's just very tall and has the possibly the worst picking technique of the bunch. Maybe she'll land a quad tomorrow, or next season, but I don't see her becoming a consistent threat to the others.
Daria was nice, I wasn't really wowed by the program, but she also doesn't have any glaring problems like the others do (flutzes aside). Amazing double axel as always, I really hope she gets a triple.
I wish Elizaveta hadn't changed her program - the layout is exactly the same but the choreography was a little more stylized to the old music. I love that song but her version was very underwhelming. I also really wasn't a fan of the costume, it was trying too hard to emphasize that she's the adult, mature one.
I felt the same way about Sasha as I did about Kamila. I love the choreography but she only performs it neck down, the blank face really bothers me. And I lose a marble every time she does the lunge without arching her back or dropping her head, I need Galiamov to help her out a bit, it just looks so half-hearted to me.
Anna is always a struggle for me. She obviously has very consistent jumps and nice expression - everything else looks close to lovely but just never quite right. Part of it's her feet, I've never seen any other female skater that does even their crossovers with flexed feet. Pointing her toes would make a world of difference, especially with the slim skates. Part of it's her steps, she gets deep edges but something about the way she uses her arms and her head to push through the air gives me such a strong mental image of swimming. Part of it's the choreography, I find it so generic and boring and one-note and unspecial, as I do with almost all her programs. Everyone says she's Daniil's favorite, but I can't see where he tried hard or at all to be creative with her programs this year. The other part might just be a general aesthetic thing. She's so long-legged and slim, and while her costumes aren't near as bad as Kamila's, they're still kind of heavy. So with her hair always in a tight bun, I think her face looks too small and young. Since she's one who can actually use her face, it really shouldn't be allowed to get lost. It sounds silly, but like everyone says about Bradie, I think Anna would look much more grown up and somehow proportional with a ponytail. I know she's very young, but I want her to look more like the leading senior lady since she's the leading senior lady.
 
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Good SP competition. Impressive that Kamila landed her first 3A in competition. She is definitely the #1 contender for Olympic Gold. The SP highlights her strengths well. That being said her 3A is not imho as high or distance covering as Aliona's or Rika's and I don't see her getting the same GOE Aliona used to on her 3A because she doesn't get the same height, doesn't have transitions into it, and it doesn't cover much difference. I also think she won't get the same GOE on her other jumps as Aliona because her combos aren't great and her 3Lz/3F are slightly unstable( Exception being her 4T which is absolutely stunning). At least she shouldn't get the the same GOE, if the judges correctly apply the bullets points. This will be offset by her incredible spins to a degree but I do see her SP max score being slightly lower than Aliona's was just year. She also has rather weak edges and her face is really blank. I think the lack of expression doesn't matter much with this choreography but it might matter with another program. I hope her team chooses wisely next year. She isn't really hitting the notes in this program, but the overall impression works. On the whole, amazing young lady on a good path but there are things to work on.

Sasha was really great here. As many others have mentioned, the jumps and choreography finally worked well together. I think she is being comparatively underscored in jump GOE. Her jumps were really high and smooth and her combos are better than both Anna's and Kamila's. That being said while the PCS has improved, she still has a long way to go in this department. She also needs to practice her spins more, they weren't bad here but they need to be faster.

Anna is the best in musical interpretation and seems to have developed an incredible competitive nature. She seems so hard-working and sweet. That being said, she was really overscored in jump GOE. You can't give that kind of GOE for twofooted jumps with unclear edges And, there are the issues already mentioned by the above poster. Obviously, the competition isn't very serious so there is no need to complain about the scoring, but I think the type of favorable scoring Anna receives domestically ( most national champions do, not just Anna) may hurt her internationally because I do think international judges are going to give more appropriate GOE.

I really love both Daria and Maiia. They are both better ( imho) performers than Valieva and Daria's SS really stood out to me. I don't like the songs that were chosen for their programs, but the mood of each program is correct for each of them the programs highlight their strengths. Despite the fact that both of them suit my personal skating taste more than the above girls, I don't see them being in the mix for the Olympics unless, Daria improves her technical arsenal and Maiia develops some stability. Daria has a really obvious flutz. It should be called.

I love Liza. But, why did she change her SP. It was so much better before....
 
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Kamila has 100% established herself as a senior lady this season. today was the best i've ever seen her skate. that 3A was just divine. i would much much rather see this program at the olympics than bolero.

i'm confused by Liza's program change, especially this late. the music cuts were odd to me.

Daria is also continuing to solidify her spot as an olympic team contender. she is right in the mix for the 3rd spot. her attention to detail and softness is so beautiful.

Sasha showed noticeable improvements choreographically today. i know her jumps weren't perfect, but i'm surprised she ended up 3 points behind Dasha.

Maiia's fall took me by surprise but she did what a champion does and got up and fought the rest of the way. it could have thrown the entire program off but she didn't let it get to her. it was a super solid skate besides that.

Anna keeps proving herself as front runner of the Russian ladies going into the olympic season, but Kamila is nipping at her heels. Steadily improving yet not drawing attention to herself, as others have said.
 
You're all spot on about the choreography changes in Kamila's short program, that it isn't as good as it used to be. Makes me think. Daniil said Bolero was his masterpiece (lol), so I wonder if the short was originally so good kind of by accident. He completely didn't realize how good it was or why, and so doesn't realize that the changes have made it less good or why. My other thought was that because of the way the musical accents were originally emphasized so well, the program reminded my of DQ and made me wonder whether Eteri had a bigger hand in choreographing it.
Storm's a lot better than Bolero indeed. Seems like when Daniil thinks the program's good it's meh and when he doesn't really think much of it the program's good. Not a great thing for a choreographer in my opinion.

But I guess it's that way with songs too. Many famous and popular songs, the artists considered to not be all that great. I guess Bolero's a relevant example.
 
My favourite part of this competition is watching Evgenia and Alina's super concerned looking faces, as if this whole thing is more important than the Olympics or something.
Some said on Twitter that you would know if a program was really good if you were more interested in it than in the expressions on Evgenia's face. Funny! But, also true. I only found the pair's programs consistently interesting ( And Kolyada) enough to focus on them rather than on Evgenia's face. The ladies were wonderful, of course. But, Evgenia's expressions are even more impressive.
 
Weirdly, I haven't seen this discussed here, but in my opinion this was Sasha's best SP so far. Finally her jumps came together with her choreography and her program felt more emotional. I knew she had this potential and was happy to see her showing it.
I actually thought her triple landings looked heavy and like she had to fight for them..🤔
 
Lyza is the favorite to get the 3rd spot but if AK comes of big in the cup final it's a different story.
I feel so conflicted about this. On the one hand I would really like Liza to get another go at a World Championship after what happened in 2019. As much as I love her and wish for her to make the Olympics next year, realistically I don't think she stands a chance, so she should have at least another Worlds at the dusk of her career.
On the other hand, Aliona was robbed of her Worlds medal in 2020 by the pandemic. It is not a given that she makes the team next year, so she should really have this opportunity to compete at what could be the only World Championship of her career.
Sometimes figure skating is such a cruel sport (especially if you are a Russian lady). :cry:
 
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