2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Fried]

So you literally say you ended completely on your own. But why this sounds like what catolics say about protestants and a vice versa: "We (or in your case you) are the right ones and the other ones are nasty evil stingy heretics."

Though I bet many Sasha fans should appear now and start to disprove your words by confessing their colours.

I think the vast majority of Anna fans are no worse or better than others. But unfortunately there are quite a few who attach great importance to alternating between the victim role and the superior role at every opportunity. And unfortunately (or fortunately) I have to say that I haven't noticed such characters among the Sasha fans so far. It can of course also be the case that these "special" Anna fans are actually Tutberidze fans in disguise, which tarnish the overall picture.

 

[Lzbee]

You might be thinking about JGP.
Russian ladies get 3 spots at each of the six GPs - hence 18 spots.
If 3A+Liza+Daria+Kamila each get 2 that means there's still six left.

2 spots for Sinitsyna and Nugumanova please

 

[Shayuki]

I think the vast majority of Anna fans are no worse or better than others. But unfortunately there are quite a few who attach great importance to alternating between the victim role and the superior role at every opportunity. And unfortunately (or fortunately) I have to say that I haven't noticed such characters among the Sasha fans so far. It can of course also be the case that these "special" Anna fans are actually Tutberidze fans in disguise, which tarnish the overall picture.

"Victim role", huh? You probably should know that that's just a reaction, though. I haven't seen Shcherbakova fans going on Trusova fan fest and talking her down on there, but I did see a certain Trusova fan doing a similar thing. Is that the sort of characters you were referring to, per chance?

It's only natural to defend the skater you're a fan of, would you not agree? Add to this all sorts of conspiracy theories against her, the "she should return to juniors" cacophone and all sorts of extreme combing for her flaws and it's pretty ridiculous the lengths some people are willing to go to trash on her, for years already.

It's especially sad as I consider her to be one of the most genuinely good people alive.



Now, have you considered that if you're a fan of Trusova's, it might be worthwhile to consider spending more of you time and effort on celebrating her rather than spending it on hating on Shcherbakova?

 

[Amei]

You might be thinking about JGP.
Russian ladies get 3 spots at each of the six GPs - hence 18 spots.
If 3A+Liza+Daria+Kamila each get 2 that means there's still six left.

2 spots for Sinitsyna and Nugumanova please

6 spots left: 2 most definitely go to Medvedeva unless she decides to retire. Additionally, if Zagitova attempts a come back she'll be given 2 spots. So that's 2-4 spots left - my guess is they are a toss up between Khromykh, Nugumanova, Samodurova and Guliakova. Samodurova is currently 10th in World standings as well; I don't remember the rules - is she possibly guaranteed at least 1 GP event? .

 

[Scott512]

I think the vast majority of Anna fans are no worse or better than others. But unfortunately there are quite a few who attach great importance to alternating between the victim role and the superior role at every opportunity. And unfortunately (or fortunately) I have to say that I haven't noticed such characters among the Sasha fans so far. It can of course also be the case that these "special" Anna fans are actually Tutberidze fans in disguise, which tarnish the overall picture.

Anna is no victim she was the Forgotten one of 3A but she does not show the inconsistencies that Sasha and aliona have.
Her personality is also more stable than theirs is.

All three are phenomenal and I want to see a 3A reunion at Worlds.


I think what we appreciate most about Anna is her ability to not get rattled by the competition. When she had super Sasha and aliona an amazingly beautiful figure skater training with her the last couple years that did not bother her at all. She Shrugged it all off. Anna kept working kept getting better and now she's the favorite for worlds. If she's healthy of course. But if Sasha ends up winning worlds I too will be happy.

It will be interesting to see if Anna does not get rattled by the meteoric rise of kamila. If her personality is what I think it is she will not be upset by it. But this will be her greatest mental test to date.

 

[Scott512]

6 spots left: 2 most definitely go to Medvedeva unless she decides to retire. Additionally, if Zagitova attempts a come back she'll be given 2 spots. So that's 2-4 spots left - my guess is they are a toss up between Khromykh, Nugumanova, Samodurova and Guliakova. Samodurova is currently 10th in World standings as well; I don't remember the rules - is she possibly guaranteed at least 1 GP event? .

a lot of girls are just going to get one GP event. Not the very top girls of course. 3A + KV will get 2. Maybe Dashe gets 2. Probably Liza as well. They go fast like ice cream on a hot day!

 

[FelineFairy]

So you literally say you ended completely on your own. But why this sounds like what catolics say about protestants and a vice versa: "We (or in your case you) are the right ones and the other ones are nasty evil stingy heretics."

Though I bet many Sasha fans should appear now and start to disprove your words by confessing their colours.

I said many times Sasha is one of my two favourites. And yes, Anya is the other. Maybe for some "one-athlete fan" (made it up from "one-woman man" ) it is difficult to understand, because Sasha and Anna have different styles. I prefer Anna's style, but I adore and admire Sasha for her ability, desire and courage to move the sport forward. Every competition where they both enter I am freezing with fear and delight, not for one of them, but for both. What I can't and won't understand or condone is loving one and because of that not just staying indifferent (which is normal) but actively thrashing, insulting, actually trying to annihilate the other. What perverted pleasure can one derive from that? Of the three A, Aliona has never given me any strong emotions: I find her skating beautiful, but it leaves me untouched. Do I have to follow that disgusting manner of expressing my feelings about Aliona's victory over my favourites in the Euros? To throw mud at a wonderful skater just because she was not the one I wanted to win? Inconceivable.

 

[brakes]

"Victim role", huh? You probably should know that that's just a reaction, though.

100%.
Anna fans have to spent half of the time in this forum reading about her poor edges, flutzes, unhealthy weight, etc., not to mention the other half about other skaters' supreme features, which are not necessary truth. And, from my observation they just do it, keeping their mouth shut, just like Ted said about their idol: "quietly spectacular". Once in a while they want to say something and suddenly everybody else get upset, while in reality Alyona's and Sasha's fans have been dominating this forum for last two years at least.

 

[Fried]

"Victim role", huh? You probably should know that that's just a reaction, though. I haven't seen Shcherbakova fans going on Trusova fan fest and talking her down on there, but I did see a certain Trusova fan doing a similar thing. Is that the sort of characters you were referring to, per chance?

It's only natural to defend the skater you're a fan of, would you not agree? Add to this all sorts of conspiracy theories against her, the "she should return to juniors" cacophone and all sorts of extreme combing for her flaws and it's pretty ridiculous the lengths some people are willing to go to trash on her, for years already.

It's especially sad as I consider her to be one of the most genuinely good people alive.



Now, have you considered that if you're a fan of Trusova's, it might be worthwhile to consider spending more of you time and effort on celebrating her rather than spending it on hating on Shcherbakova?

Delicious! You have just involuntarily confirmed my assessment 1:1 with your contribution. It couldn't be more accurate!
Arrogance (your skater is one of the best living people) coupled with the role of victim (I would hate Shcherbakova).
Let yourself be told:
1. To describe a person (whoever that may be), whom one has never got to know better personally, as one of the best living people can hardly be surpassed in sentimental kitsch and does not look good on a thinking, adult person.
2. I can't think of a single reason why I should hate Shcherbakova (or any other skater). You shouldn't confuse my dislike of the flaunted traits of fellow forum contemporaries and their favorite coach with dislike of Anna.

 

[Fried]

Anna is no victim she was the Forgotten one of 3A but she does not show the inconsistencies that Sasha and aliona have.
Her personality is also more stable than theirs is.

I'm not talking about Anna, but certain strange "fans" here in the forum.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

6 spots left: 2 most definitely go to Medvedeva unless she decides to retire. Additionally, if Zagitova attempts a come back she'll be given 2 spots. So that's 2-4 spots left - my guess is they are a toss up between Khromykh, Nugumanova, Samodurova and Guliakova. Samodurova is currently 10th in World standings as well; I don't remember the rules - is she possibly guaranteed at least 1 GP event? .

I'm not sure if they'll 100% give 2 spots to Zhenya. Maybe? We'll have to see I guess.

I think we will have to wait until Russian Cup Final to see if Maiia or Liza or Kseniia deserve more spots.

Personally I think giving 3A+Liza+Daria+Kamila two spots makes sense as of right now. With the rest of the six spots I think Kseniia deserves two, Liza N deserves at least one (preferably two) and Maiia also deserves at least one (preferably two). Giving spots to Maiia and Kseniia make the most sense to me since they can challenge for the podium in most fields with their best form (even without quads/3As Kseniia could podium in some fields). Like, take Cup of China last year, Kseniia with her JGP Egna score would've been second (they were calling URs at that event but Kseniia has no URs and edge issues!).

On that note, can Russia host Rostelecom next year or no because of the ban? If they can the best strategy might be to have a TBD at Rostelecom and give it to the skater who does really good at test skates/challengers/first GP.

 

[flanker]

I said many times Sasha is one of my two favourites. And yes, Anya is the other. Maybe for some "one-athlete fan" (made it up from "one-woman man" ) it is difficult to understand, because Sasha and Anna have different styles. I prefer Anna's style, but I adore and admire Sasha for her ability, desire and courage to move the sport forward. Every competition where they both enter I am freezing with fear and delight, not for one of them, but for both. What I can't and won't understand or condone is loving one and because of that not just staying indifferent (which is normal) but actively thrashing, insulting, actually trying to annihilate the other. What perverted pleasure can one derive from that? Of the three A, Aliona has never given me any strong emotions: I find her skating beautiful, but it leaves me untouched. Do I have to follow that disgusting manner of expressing my feelings about Aliona's victory over my favourites in the Euros? To throw mud at a wonderful skater just because she was not the one I wanted to win? Inconceivable.

I definitely spend too much time in the discussions like that today's one, which honestly makes no result convenient to anyone. And of course I admit that sometimes I finish with words that would like not to be said. One important person of czech cultural world, Jan Werich, actor, comedian, writer, once said: "If you spend 5 minutes arguing with a nitwit, two nitwits are arguing." That's how it works here, me definitely not excluded. Still, I think those talks are not provoked by me nor "Anna fans" as suggested in some recent posts.

I prefer Anna over Aliona or Sasha (and I prefered her by far when they all were still with Eteri so it's not like "it's only because she's with Eteri". I also have skaters I care about who are not with Eteri and never were), but I'm not aware I would've ever thrown mud at them or questioned their results. And I don't think anyone would do that here, definitely not on the level on which Anna's results are constantly challenged, doubted and attacked. And if there is a word about "Anna should have won Euros over Aliona"? It's an opinion, a very rare of this kind made here, while "Anna was overscored" is as often as if it was written on every corner of the Corner Street.

 

[Shayuki]

Delicious! You have just involuntarily confirmed my assessment 1:1 with your contribution. It couldn't be more accurate!
Arrogance (your skater is one of the best living people) coupled with the role of victim (I would hate Shcherbakova).
Let yourself be told:
1. To describe a person (whoever that may be), whom one has never got to know better personally, as one of the best living people can hardly be surpassed in sentimental kitsch and does not look good on a thinking, adult person.
2. I can't think of a single reason why I should hate Shcherbakova (or any other skater). You shouldn't confuse my dislike of the flaunted traits of fellow forum contemporaries and their favorite coach with dislike of Anna.

1. That's not arrogance, that's my assessment, judging by what people who do know her personally have said about her. An example of arrogance would be:

Delicious! You have just involuntarily confirmed my assessment 1:1 with your contribution. It couldn't be more accurate!

, for instance.

2. Then you could try to behave differently, as it's quite easy to make the assumption.

By the way, Eteri's not my favorite coach.


Essentially, it seems you're pissed that I(and some others?) are such big Shcherbakova fans, and like her too much? That's pretty strange to me, honestly. I don't go around telling people they shouldn't be too big Trusova fans, and should be moderately dedicated Trusova fans instead.

 

[FelineFairy]

I definitely spend too much time in the discussions like that today's one, which honestly makes no result convenient to anyone. And of course I admit that sometimes I finish with words that would like not to be said. One important person of czech cultural world, Jan Werich, actor, comedian, writer, once said: "If you spend 5 minutes arguing with a nitwit, two nitwits are arguing." That's how it works here, me definitely not excluded. Still, I think those talks are not provoked by me nor "Anna fans" as suggested in some recent posts.

I prefer Anna over Aliona or Sasha (and I prefered her by far when they all were still with Eteri so it's not like "it's only because she's with Eteri" I also have skaters I care about who are not with Eteri and never were), but I'm not aware I would've ever thrown mud at them or questioning their results. And I don't think anyone would do that here, definitely not on the level on which Anna's results are constantly challenged, doubted and attacked. And if there is a word about "Anna should have won Euros over Aliona"? It's an opinion, a very rare of this kind made here, while "Anna was overscored" is as often as if it was written on every corner of the Corner Street.

By answering, I was trying to agree with you, not to disagree. I was definitely meaning another person who is constantly doing what I described. Did it sound as if I was arguing with you? Not at all, sorry if you perceive it that way.

 

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Anya has "international master of sports", so it may be medalling as well.

Not from RusNats, though. I don't remember if she medalled at last Europeans. This would count for international master of sports as well.

 

[Scott512]

I'm not talking about Anna, but certain strange "fans" here in the forum.

You're getting frustrated again.

What percentage do you give aliona for making the world's team? I'm sitting on 45% at this point. unfortunately she's had some bumps in the road this season but she still has a chance to finish strong building into Olympic season.

 

[dhjh811]

As someone who's taken turns liking all of the 3A and now am just tired, I'd say all three of those skaters get enough mud thrown at them on this thread. Naturally, if you're a Sasha fan, the criticisms toward Sasha will get under your skin more and you'll think that she gets criticized the most here. Same for fans of Anna, Aliona, Alina, Zhenya, and even Kamila. So there's no need to be thinking that one skater is the most criticized and doubted because every relevant top skater has their turn playing that role here.

 

[Dawn825]

You might be thinking about JGP.

That's exactly what I was doing, thanks for clarifying.

"If you spend 5 minutes arguing with a nitwit, two nitwits are arguing."

Possibly the best and most apropos thing I've ever read on this forum. Gonna borrow that if you don't mind

 

[lopsilceci]

Re: Anna
At least I can say I have never seen a poster here hate on any other skater, not just as a skater but as a person too, as "you-know-who" hates on Anna.
And there's also that other poster who always gives thumbs up to their posts.

 

[flanker]

By answering, I was trying to agree with you, not to disagree. I was definitely meaning another person who is constantly doing what I described. Did it sound as if I was arguing with you? Not at all, sorry if you perceive it that way.

I'm the one who has to say "I'm sorry" then for I misunderstood the last lines. It's still difficult for me to understand the meaning sometimes. Take my apology, please.