2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[alexocfp]

Russian media has all kinds of stories about Liza’s plans for worlds.

Mishin promised that they will be doing something different that he is keeping a secret.

I should stop looking at these articles since nothing is official.

Liza also explained her emotions got the better of her at the end and she wanted to up the difficulty on the spin and that’s why she almost fell.

 

[chasingneverland]

It's good for Russia to have Liza on the team. It will still be the first Worlds for Anna and Sasha, so it's advantageous to have an experienced skater like Liza competing in case one of the others struggles. If she skates like she did this weekend, Liza can fend off the women without a 3A/quad and finish in the top 5, which is probably bad for countries like the US who need a high placement to get back a third spot.

Liza isn't crazy consistent either...Experienced yes, consistent no. She's only beat either of them once even when they're not perfect..

Also a 220-230 isn't necessarily going to fend off the women without a 3A/quad - even without it Kaori and Bradie can match that score..being top 5 is definitely not a given..especially as the federation's number 3 - Kaori will be 2 and Bradie will 1 for their respective federations.

 

[rollerblade]

Why was the 3S of Valieva's 4T+SEQ+3S* marked as an invalid element? It was correctly changed to a sequence after the initial 4T+eu+3S call, but I don't understand why the salchow was voided.

 

[chasingneverland]

Russian media has all kinds of stories about Liza’s plans for worlds.

Mishin promised that they will be doing something different that he is keeping a secret.

I should stop looking at these articles since nothing is official.

Liza also explained her emotions got the better of her at the end and she wanted to up the difficulty on the spin and that’s why she almost fell.

Bringing back the 4T??

(Although I would fully expect Anna to try to bring back her 3quad program and Sasha to go to a three quad program and add a 3A to the SP too..)

 

[chasingneverland]

Why was the 3S of Valieva's 4T+SEQ+3S* marked as an invalid element? It was correctly changed to a sequence after the initial 4T+eu+3S call, but I don't understand why the salchow was voided.

It wasn't a combo anymore..

Although in all fairness that should have happened to Sasha earlier in the season too..

 

[rollerblade]

Mishin promised that they will be doing something different that he is keeping a secret.

I hope it means they are finally getting rid of the 2A+SEQ.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Why was the 3S of Valieva's 4T+SEQ+3S* marked as an invalid element? It was correctly changed to a sequence after the initial 4T+eu+3S call, but I don't understand why the salchow was voided.

Because she put both feet down after her step out, therefore it no longer counts as a combo.

 

[alexocfp]

Can we now address how some people were saying last year that Rozanov was the quad master at Team Tut and how he was the one who trained the girls to learn 3a and quads. But Team tut is doing just fine without him. Kamila has solidified her 4t, learned a 3a, Maia has finally landed her quads, the junior girls are landing 3a and quads like crazy. People were saying how team tut were going to fall apart when he left. Maybe the other Sergei should be due more credit

No doubt that brand Eteri came out stronger this weekend.

 

[Fantik]

I've observed a lot of similarities between her and Sasha Cohen. So I'm not surprised to see her skating career is taking the same direction as Cohen.

Perhaps. Yet, Sasha Cohen for all her balletic prowess did not possess the 10th of Aliona's mastering of the blade.

 

[Shayuki]

Eh, it wasn't that important a competition. It was RusNats but it had no effect on Kamila.

RusNats just plain is an important competition. It's not just a qualifier or whatever, it's... the national championships.

 

[chasingneverland]

No doubt that brand Eteri came out stronger this weekend.

Plushy will be a bit happy at Kamila not skating all of that cleanly but even still it would have likely taken a clean Sasha to beat that who has her own consistency issues..

 

[chasingneverland]

There's NO uninjured skater out there. Do you seriously believe Anna Kamila Maiia were able to learn or re-learn all those quads/3A without any injuries or any boot problems?! It's not possible for skaters like Anna and Sasha to keep landing quads after quads for 3 years without getting any chronic injuries.
Just because they don't talk about their injuries like Aliona, it doesn't mean they don't have it.
As Plushenko once said you can't be a top skater and be healthy. Everyone's injured, champions are the ones that can win DESPITE their injuries.

I've said before they're all dealing with something and injuries are a part of skating - read my posts if you doubt that.

And Sasha IS injured.

However, some injuries limit you from training and competing and some you can skate through...

I can't believe that the narrative is Alena doesn't want it enough....she can barely make it through your programs and you somehow thing that's because of a lack of desire...

 

[Scott512]

Aliona is, unfortunately, out of the picture due to the "smart" decisions she has made for her skating career. Reading the comments here, I'm assuming a lot of people haven't watched Aliona's skating during the first half of the season, that's why they think her having been sick with COVID is the source of the problems. But really, looking at how she's been handling herself during the past year (I mean after GPF 2019), I've observed a lot of similarities between her and Sasha Cohen. So I'm not surprised to see her skating career is taking the same direction as Cohen.

However, Anna and Sasha are still in the conversation and can't be easily overtaken by Daria and Maiia. I'm quite optimistic regarding the longevity of this generation, specially Sasha. She has good technique on her jumps and Plushenko actually hit the nail on the head by bringing Morosov into their team. I think he's gonna help Sasha improve her artistic side as well.

At their best aliona is better than Sasha Cohen. They are 2 of the most beautiful skatets ever.. I like your comparisons of the two.

 

[Paulipau]

I'm super duper happy that Liza stayed mischievous today xd

Also, sad for Alyona. I think that she is just battling adolesence. And she needs instant help. That programs were barely anything, she just keeps gliding around looking so stressed that it makes me stressed.

 

[Amei]

No actually, they used to have senior GPs available for u14 skaters right? Just recently.

I'm assuming it has something to do with people not wanting to be beat by "jumping beans", or people begrudging the fact that their 3T-2T combos are no longer enough.

Yes, Radionova was the last of the 14 year olds to skate in the GP I believe. Which I agree with them making that adjustment or reducing the age limit for Worlds because they could have easily ended up with a skater on the podium at the GPF and not be eligible for worlds - not a good look in my opinion.

I doubt. I think at least one of Anna S and Sasha T will make the team.

But really it's too early to say.

I have always wondered, could Maia purposely skated badly so that Zhenya's team lost....

I think everyone needs to make sure with Khromykh that we don't be victims of the moment, she was great today and it was amazing that she finally landed her quads, but this was her fifth competition attempting a quad and it was her first time landing 1, it's not like she fell only at the Channel 1 Cup.

We agree. But I don't want to see EG make things too tough for kamila.
I mean they were playing around a bit today in terms of trying glass or trying that but that's also Risky Business.

Yeah, to me it is obviously an experiment, and the team made the right decision. It is not very far from the Olympics and the team needs time to plan and polish everything.

I think Eteri and team knows that they have to push her; as of right now Valieva has the 2 lowest valued quads, Shcherbakova and Trusova have the 2 highest valued quads both are capable of doing the highest valued quad in combination. Shcherbakova has practiced the flip in combination so she could theoretically do both the lutz and flip in combination plus 1 of them again as a solo, BV for the 2 combinations alone would be over 30 points. They know that Trusova has the triple axel as well and they know that Shcherbakova is training it; it's in Valieva's best interests for them to be pushing her layout difficulty especially in a meaningless competition for her.

 

[chasingneverland]

RusNats just plain is an important competition. It's not just a qualifier or whatever, it's... the national championships.

It is but not for the juniors. They've all said something to that effect. It's RusNats but as juniors it's just kinda an experience..

 

[silveruskate]

There's NO uninjured skater out there. Do you seriously believe Anna Kamila Maiia were able to learn or re-learn all those quads/3A without any injuries or any boot problems?! It's not possible for skaters like Anna and Sasha to keep landing quads after quads for 3 years without getting any chronic injuries.
Just because they don't talk about their injuries like Aliona, it doesn't mean they don't have it.
As Plushenko once said you can't be a top skater and be healthy. Everyone's injured, champions are the ones that can win DESPITE their injuries.

Saying there is no uninjured skater is very simplistic. Aliona struggled enough that she lost her 3A at Sambo and none of her jumps are the same, even while everyone else was regaining their quads/3As. Unless Aliona is uniquely bad and unmotivated, which some people probably convinced themselves of, most likely there are external factors injury/puberty that have severely affected her in a way others haven't been.

 

[Lzbee]

So does that mean by process of elimination ET gets the third spot for worlds? It says a lot that the "current' world champ and bronze medallists aren't competing/injured and Russia can't send their best because they are too young yet they still have a competitive team. If ET continues to regain her strength and 3A she could challenge for the bronze at worlds.

For a second there I was thinking "wait Eteri Tutberidze has a 3A?"

 

[alexocfp]

Mishin the philosopher:

- Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - she is the Statue of Liberty! Which, with the light of her torch, illuminates the way for those figure skaters who are over 20!“

The empress has a torch now. Look out. Haha
That birthday bash coming just might be a bigger celebration now.

 

[silveruskate]

Can we now address how some people were saying last year that Rozanov was the quad master at Team Tut and how he was the one who trained the girls to learn 3a and quads. But Team tut is doing just fine without him. Kamila has solidified her 4t, learned a 3a, Maia has finally landed her quads, the junior girls are landing 3a and quads like crazy. People were saying how team tut were going to fall apart when he left. Maybe the other Sergei should be due more credit

Get over it. Almost no one was saying this.