2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[colormyworld240]

If Aliona goes back, will they allow her to keep her current programs? The free has so so much potential, it would be a shame that we would only get to see it once (and with her no where near healthy at that). I know they will most likely change programs and have Daniil do something (which I don’t know...yikes), but I’m going to hold on to the 5% chance that she gets to keep the free. Just like if Evgenia competes again, I would love to see Algeria skated all out

I would say they definitely wouldn't, especially the free. There is a rumor that Alena's second FS by Shae-Lynn was paid for by Plushenko. That hasn't been confirmed, but the federation did say that they didn't pay for it, so someone had to.

 

[Lechat]

Never expected Alena to be this reckless and hot headed not only once but twice over the span of less than a full season, if this is true... her health problems are not her fault, but her bad decisions are.
In Sasha's case people like to point out what a helicopter parent her father is and that he makes every decision for her, but with Alena I have to ask, are there no parents of hers that might regulate these impulsive moves?

Alena is my favorite skater, but sorry, if I was Eteri I would chuckle. It's humiliating for the poor girl and pretty satisfying for Eteri. She has 0 need for her- Kamila, Anna, Darya, Maya will make up 2 if not all 3 of the Olympic spots between them. And after them, the next crop is already growing. Alina and Evgenia are there as poster children. She has already proven decisively who is the better coach between her and Plushenko (if there was even ever any doubt for anyone).

The only reason she would take Alena back would be to give the ultimate blow to Plushenko's ego and image, or cause the money givers at Krustalny make it very attractive for her.

well Alena is the one who needs Eteri, not the other way. Like you said, she already has guns ready to shot big times next season.
I think she will take her back because she’s the one who polished her and the only one who can make her competitive again and If Alena can leave, Eteri can also kick her like she did with Alina.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

She only has Anna as a senior this season (zhenia was too injured to compete) but next year, there are three juniors will turn seniors so she doesn’t need another senior.

Just to clarify, that post was talking about Moskvich, not Tutberidze.

I like Moskvich because they prioritize skating skills and interpretation unlike just about every other club.

Yeah, looks like Samsonov and Valieva got a good foundation there. But they didn't learn 3A/quad until they left Moskvich, right? Kostornaia (or any Russian lady) can't make the National podium without at least one of those jumps.

 

[AshWagsFan]

well Alena is the one who needs Eteri, not the other way. Like you said, she already has guns ready to shot big times next season.
I think she will take her back because she’s the one who polished her and the only one who can make her competitive again and If Alena can leave, Eteri can also kick her like she did with Alina.

Potential plot twist: Eteri accepts Aliona and kick out one of her other skaters

Could it happen?

 

[readernick]

They did a pretty good job with Kamila Valieva. And Viktoria Vasilieva was... Well, passable. But they've not really had a senior skater, mm.

I like Moskvich because they prioritize skating skills and interpretation unlike just about every other club.

I think the other club that does this is Panova's Snow Leopards. Some of my favorite ladies programs over the last few years have come from that camp. And her skaters have some of the best SS. Ksenia S. is also learning quads and the 3A. I have some concerns about the training environment ( like essentially all coaching environments), but Alena would fit in well with Panova's style of skater. Honestly though, as mentioned before, I don't care who coaches her I just hope she doesn't permanently ruin her health.

 

[Shayuki]

I think the other club that does this is Panova's Snow Leopards. My some of my favorite ladies programs over the last few years have come from that camp. And her skaters have some of the best SS. Ksenia S. is also learning quads and the 3A. I have some concerns about the training environment ( like essentially all coaching environments), but Alena would fit in well with Panova's style of skater. Honestly though, as mentioned before, I don't care who coaches her I just hope she doesn't permanently ruin her health.

Snow Leopards is more skating skills, but I wouldn't say the focus on performing is on the same level.

It's true that Alena might fit Snow Leopards as a skater though, I'm not sure why not...

 

[readernick]

Snow Leopards is more skating skills, but I wouldn't say the focus on performing is on the same level.

It's true that Alena might fit Snow Leopards as a skater though, I'm not sure why not...

I like the programs Panova chooses. Some of her skaters are a bit dead faced, but I think they express well through movement. I do think Alena is a Snow Leopards type of skater, but I don't know if she could handle the training with Panova, or Eteri. She seems chronically injured

 

[Scott512]

According to Rozanov's Instagram he isn't planning to go back to Eteri.

Rozanov has to come back! Who is going to work with Liza B who just came over to TT and Petro and Sofia not to mention Samsonov and other boys? Dudakov and Eteri will have their hands full coaching Anna KV Dasha Maya Zhenya and Aliona in an Olympic season. The keywords being a in an Olympic season. They really do have too few coaches for too many amazing skaters. It's unbelievable.

If young Sergei does not return to TT then they need another jump specialist to help out with the younger skaters.. No way can Dudakov oach 10 skaters or more at the same time. Oh and he needs to have a life because he has his own family.

 

[Scott512]

I like the programs Panova chooses. Some of her skaters are a bit dead faced, but I think they keep well through movement. I do think Alena is a Snow Leopards type of skater, but I don't know if she could handle the training with Panova, or Eteri. She seems chronically injured

Chronically injured? Coronavirus was Alionas main problem this year and she was healthy last year when she had almost a perfect debut season. I am sure she has other nagging injuries but that's part of the job in that sport. I sure hope this amazing skater is not chronically injured. I would love to see her skate for many years to come.

 

[Shayuki]

Rozanov has to come back! Who is going to work with Liza B who just came over to TT and Petro and Sofia not to mention Samsonov and other boys? Dudakov and Eteri will have their hands full coaching Anna KV Dasha Maya Zhenya and Aliona in an Olympic season. The keywords being a in an Olympic season. They really do have too few coaches for too many amazing skaters. It's unbelievable.

If young Sergei does not return to TT then they need another jump specialist to help out with the younger skaters.. No way can Dudakov oach 10 skaters or more at the same time. Oh and he needs to have a life because he has his own family.

Polina Tsurskaya of course

 

[Scott512]

Polina Tsurskaya of course

Yes and I like polina but isn't she working with kids under the age of 10? For her to get bumped up to working with 13 and 14 year olds is a big jump. But she sure had great jumping technique and get help anybody with jumps.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Yes and I like polina but isn't she working with kids under the age of 10? For her to get bumped up to working with 13 and 14 year olds is a big jump. But she sure had great jumping technique and get help anybody with jumps.

She had fantastic jumping technique but also a chronic UR issue later in her career. Though I think that was more her height and less actual technique issues.

I wonder if having fantastic jumping technique and teaching it are different. I assume they are, but perhaps not by much?

 

[silveruskate]

Aliona brings the drama, but what a mess. As everyone knows, Eteri doesn't need her. Hopefully Eteri having her heartstrings pulled at RusNats by her pneumonia sister Anna will make her more pliable. I don't think this is just about Eteri as Daniil/Sergei will have a say too. Has Eteri gone to bed knowing if she takes Aliona back or not? Who even knows.

Plushenko will have things to say about Aliona too, and I'm not looking forward to it.

If Alina isn't coming back you can have her coaching Zhenya specially because why not, and then in their spare time Polina, Alina and Zhenya coach the kids together. Dudakov is free.

 

[Amei]

Worst comes to worst...what happens if Eteri says no, but Plushenko doesn’t take her back..?

I doubt Plushenko would keep her after a pretty public attempt to leave and go back to a rival coach. Given today, honestly perhaps that explains out the odd Kiss/Cry behavior over the weekend, I mean in the SP Plushenko looked like he was annoyed that he had to sit there and at times looked like he was physically distancing himself from her - the relationship was already soured and perhaps she made some comments about the situation not working for her, etc.

She goes to CSKA.They desperately need her and her talent.

But I can't believe the Russian federation would have this big announcement tomorrow and it would be TT refusing Aliona. I think there's like only a 5% chance that happens. The question now is will she want to bring young Sergei back with her and will that be the sticking point?

Kostornaia is in no position to be making demands, and honestly Rozanov's stock has dropped significantly - the offseason when he left it was talked about as being a huge blow to Eteri's team, well Eteri's team has gained and improved their jumping arsenal and none of the skaters that went to AOP in the offseason from Sambo are still working with him with the exception of Kostornaia who has been close to her performance level that she was at last year (pre-Covid).

Never expected Alena to be this reckless and hot headed not only once but twice over the span of less than a full season, if this is true... her health problems are not her fault, but her bad decisions are.
In Sasha's case people like to point out what a helicopter parent her father is and that he makes every decision for her, but with Alena I have to ask, are there no parents of hers that might regulate these impulsive moves?

Alena is my favorite skater, but sorry, if I was Eteri I would chuckle. It's humiliating for the poor girl and pretty satisfying for Eteri. She has 0 need for her- Kamila, Anna, Darya, Maya will make up 2 if not all 3 of the Olympic spots between them. And after them, the next crop is already growing. Alina and Evgenia are there as poster children. She has already proven decisively who is the better coach between her and Plushenko (if there was even ever any doubt for anyone).

The only reason she would take Alena back would be to give the ultimate blow to Plushenko's ego and image, or cause the money givers at Krustalny make it very attractive for her.

Well based on what someone else posted her mom was against her leaving Eteri (makes sense considering Kostornaia only lost 1 competition last year), but at the end of the day Kostornaia is the 1 that has to deal with and answer to her coach and spend a lot of time with - if she doesn't want to be there why try and force her. It's not like she's a little girl, she was almost 17 years old when she made the decision.

Chronically injured? Coronavirus was Alionas main problem this year and she was healthy last year when she had almost a perfect debut season. I am sure she has other nagging injuries but that's part of the job in that sport. I sure hope this amazing skater is not chronically injured. I would love to see her skate for many years to come.

Covid 'might' be Kostornaia's main problem this year, but Plushenko has said that she was injured when she came to him, she was injured at the Cup final supposedly these injuries have been back and leg injuries. Her last junior season she had to WD from worlds due to leg inflammation.

 

[Scott512]

She had fantastic jumping technique but also a chronic UR issue later in her career. Though I think that was more her height and less actual technique issues.

I wonder if having fantastic jumping technique and teaching it are different. I assume they are, but perhaps not by much?

It's probably different having great jumping technique and then teaching it. Maybe polina can do it. She was also almost 5' 9" tall unbelievably tall a lady figures leader with big jumps.

 

[Scott512]

I doubt Plushenko would keep her after a pretty public attempt to leave and go back to a rival coach. Given today, honestly perhaps that explains out the odd Kiss/Cry behavior over the weekend, I mean in the SP Plushenko looked like he was annoyed that he had to sit there and at times looked like he was physically distancing himself from her - the relationship was already soured and perhaps she made some comments about the situation not working for her, etc.



Kostornaia is in no position to be making demands, and honestly Rozanov's stock has dropped significantly - the offseason when he left it was talked about as being a huge blow to Eteri's team, well Eteri's team has gained and improved their jumping arsenal and none of the skaters that went to AOP in the offseason from Sambo are still working with him with the exception of Kostornaia who has been close to her performance level that she was at last year (pre-Covid).



Well based on what someone else posted her mom was against her leaving Eteri (makes sense considering Kostornaia only lost 1 competition last year), but at the end of the day Kostornaia is the 1 that has to deal with and answer to her coach and spend a lot of time with - if she doesn't want to be there why try and force her. It's not like she's a little girl, she was almost 17 years old when she made the decision.



Covid 'might' be Kostornaia's main problem this year, but Plushenko has said that she was injured when she came to him, she was injured at the Cup final supposedly these injuries have been back and leg injuries. Her last junior season she had to WD from worlds due to leg inflammation.

She's had her injuries let's hope she can get healthy. I'm sorry Aliona is going through turmoil. I hope being back with the great coach will give her a feeling of protection and a feeling of comfort even though the competition on the ice at practice will be awesome. But at least she will have plenty of girls to talk to.

 

[bubblecherry]

On one hand, I hope Eteri accepts Aliona back, because that would put Aliona in a dire situation if she’s not accepted back. If Eteri wants the 3 Olympic spots, her chances at getting that only go up with Aliona.

On the other hand, Aliona made the decision to leave, and Eteri definitely wants those 3 spots, so taking Aliona back makes the chances for Dasha, Maiia, even Anna and Kamila to an extent, a little bit more difficult. I wouldn’t want to upset those girls who’ve been loyal to Eteri and have shown great results this season, and great promise for next season.

I assume that Eteri will take Aliona back, but there’s a lot of turmoil there. I hope all goes smoothly and doesn’t put stress on the girls who aren’t involved in the drama. I hope Aliona gets a good coach and back into form soon, regardless. I think we all miss that magic in her skating.

 

[mrrice]

This was on the front page of sports here in the US. Is this a headline in Russia??? https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mo...ter-banned-10-years/ar-BB1ecZB5?ocid=msedgntp

 

[Dawn825]

She was also almost 5' 9" tall

You're kidding?? Tsurskaya? That's giant, how did I never notice?

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

This was on the front page of sports here in the US. Is this a headline in Russia??? https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mo...ter-banned-10-years/ar-BB1ecZB5?ocid=msedgntp

Ugh maybe I'm just annoyed because Maria was one of my favorites back in the day but I feel like many of these articles aren't explaining the situation right - it makes it sound like she was actually cheating for better results when she literally was taking weight loss pills for her wedding.

Masha! If you just turned in your retirement paperwork you wouldn't have to deal with any of this!