Coaches' Corner

[Dogo]

And she was nice to look at

Elena just spoke on this (released a statement). She is taking a temporary break from work to focus on her child. Her son spent his first year with his mom doing rehearsals for Ice Age, coaching, and performing in shows. Not missing the opportunity to bond with him and enjoy the brief baby-toddler period makes sense for her (and to be honest, for any rational parent). When she returns to Moscow she will start to coach and help with choreography again.

On your comment, well that's just unclassy and straight up sexist. For some people, it's easy to behave like this until someone tells this to your daughter, sister, or mother. And then one starts to understands the offensive words one just said...

 

[Jeanie19]

has anyone else seen this video? scroll to watch. this coach's name is Tatiana Shilina (spelling per google translate...sorry if it's wrong). this is horrible.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMB3LDqpxZq/

Who is she and whatever rink that is, they should fire her. It's disturbing.

 

[Novalis]

Elena just spoke on this (released a statement). She is taking a temporary break from work to focus on her child. Her son spent his first year with his mom doing rehearsals for Ice Age, coaching, and performing in shows. Not missing the opportunity to bond with him and enjoy the brief baby-toddler period makes sense for her (and to be honest, for any rational parent). When she returns to Moscow she will start to coach and help with choreography again.

On your comment, well that's just unclassy and straight up sexist. For some people, it's easy to behave like this until someone tells this to your daughter, sister, or mother. And then one starts to understands the offensive words one just said...

This is so ridiculous

Sexist?!? Like people don't talk about the good looks of males on these forums all the time. You should join the competition forums

Besides, I also like Rozanov's looks. These two were a cute couple at the boards

 

[Skatesocs]

Besides, I also like Rozanov's looks.

I thought you had better taste.

 

[Dogo]

This is so ridiculous

Sexist?!? Like people don't talk about the good looks of males on these forums all the time. You should join the competition forums

Besides, I also like Rozanov's looks. These two were a cute couple at the boards

..Sigh...

 

[LadyB]

This is so ridiculous

Sexist?!? Like people don't talk about the good looks of males on these forums all the time. You should join the competition forums

Besides, I also like Rozanov's looks. These two were a cute couple at the boards

Good on ya!

 

[Skatesocs]

Good on ya!

What, including him praising Rozanov's looks?

 

[LadyB]

What, including him praising Rozanov's looks?

The lot. Saying that a skater is good looking is not sexist at all. Being presentable and nice looking is part of their job, so it would be weird not to notice that.
Besides, Sergio is indeed a good looking fella (that, of course, is a matter of personal taste).

 

[Skatesocs]

Besides, Sergio is indeed a good looking fella (that, of course, is a matter of personal taste).

I wasn't touching the other parts lol, was just making a joke at his expense. And King of Beauty's

 

[Amei]

In honor of Mishin's birthday:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMKFTfjlQss/

 

[Scott512]

Elena just spoke on this (released a statement). She is taking a temporary break from work to focus on her child. Her son spent his first year with his mom doing rehearsals for Ice Age, coaching, and performing in shows. Not missing the opportunity to bond with him and enjoy the brief baby-toddler period makes sense for her (and to be honest, for any rational parent). When she returns to Moscow she will start to coach and help with choreography again.

On your comment, well that's just unclassy and straight up sexist. For some people, it's easy to behave like this until someone tells this to your daughter, sister, or mother. And then one starts to understands the offensive words one just said...

Elena just spoke on this (released a statement). She is taking a temporary break from work to focus on her child. Her son spent his first year with his mom doing rehearsals for Ice Age, coaching, and performing in shows. Not missing the opportunity to bond with him and enjoy the brief baby-toddler period makes sense for her (and to be honest, for any rational parent). When she returns to Moscow she will start to coach and help with choreography again.

On your comment, well that's just unclassy and straight up sexist. For some people, it's easy to behave like this until someone tells this to your daughter, sister, or mother. And then one starts to understands the offensive words one just said...

I've been a fan of Elenas for a long time.I think she's a beautiful person and her heart is in the right place. But I am frustrated that she retired so young for ice dancing at 19 years old and I thought she got off to a great start coaching at PA. Elena was the confidant for alyona and at test skates was hugging Kosto and supporting her and it was great. But Elena just disappeared in the last couple months and Alyona really could have used her support at the Russian cup final.

It will be interesting to see if Elena goes back to Plushenko academy to coach.

 

[rollerblade]

Who is she and whatever rink that is, they should fire her. It's disturbing.

Looks like she was suspended for 2 weeks for unprofessionalism, and has returned to work.
Source

 

[flanker]

On your comment, well that's just unclassy and straight up sexist. For some people, it's easy to behave like this until someone tells this to your daughter, sister, or mother. And then one starts to understands the offensive words one just said...

Nope. My wife was, in those words, "nice to look at" and enjoyed many compliments in that sense. Why she (or I) should've been offended by a compliment if that's polite and nice one? I simply would never come to an understanding with the current western PC narrative.

 

[Dogo]

Nope. My wife was, in those words, "nice to look at" and enjoyed many compliments in that sense. Why she (or I) should've been offended by a compliment if that's polite and nice one? I simply would never come to an understanding with the current western PC narrative.

By saying that you are objectifying a person. Women have been mostly the recipients of these comments in public. Your wife may like it (some men AND women prefer to live in a society that directly empowers men and passively and subconsciously led women to believe that these microaggressions are "in good taste" if "done politely" and for the sake of "demure blushes"...) BUT that gives men an increased authority and public approval to throw these comments to women at anytime and however they please, whether they like it or feel threaten or harassed by it (which is in most cases).

Also, I'm not trying to change your point of view, because given that I've read some of your posts I'd presume that your mindset seems to be on the conservative (and ehem, stubborn..) side.

 

[flanker]

By saying that you are objectifying a person. Women have been mostly the recipients of these comments in public. Your wife may like it (some men AND women prefer to live in a society that directly empowers men and passively and subconsciously led women to believe that these microaggressions are "in good taste" if "done politely" and for the sake of "demure blushes"...) BUT that gives men an increased authority and public approval to throw these comments to women at anytime and however they please, whether they like it or feel threaten or harassed by it (which is in most cases).

Also, I'm not trying to change your point of view, because given that I've read some of your posts I'd presume that your mindset seems to be on the conservative (and ehem, stubborn..) side.

Thesis originated on paper that has nothing to do with life. We had too much experience with some of similar artificial models that forcibly tried to change human society and went into calling everything nice (incl. any beauty care, pretty dresses, personal feelings etc.) as an burgeois relic, "explained" to people what they should and what they should not like and tought us that in future "perfect society" there will be no place for that. I don't want to go through the same nonsense twice, because only fool makes the same mistake repeatedly.

BTW it seems that in particular intelectual circles being marked as "conservative" could be considered as the worst category of people. Interesting thing is that till relatively recent time I didn't consider myself being too much conservative, at least not the way conservatives are taken in the west, partially because I consider some of my opinions rather on the left than right, but in the sense of what traditional left represented in the past, not the current development. But that would require going too much into the politics, sociology etc., so yes, I can live with being marked as a conservative

 

[silveruskate]

By saying that you are objectifying a person. Women have been mostly the recipients of these comments in public. Your wife may like it (some men AND women prefer to live in a society that directly empowers men and passively and subconsciously led women to believe that these microaggressions are "in good taste" if "done politely" and for the sake of "demure blushes"...) BUT that gives men an increased authority and public approval to throw these comments to women at anytime and however they please, whether they like it or feel threaten or harassed by it (which is in most cases).

Also, I'm not trying to change your point of view, because given that I've read some of your posts I'd presume that your mindset seems to be on the conservative (and ehem, stubborn..) side.

Oh, so what you're saying is women give men fewer compliments? I see.

 

[LadyB]

By saying that you are objectifying a person. Women have been mostly the recipients of these comments in public. Your wife may like it (some men AND women prefer to live in a society that directly empowers men and passively and subconsciously led women to believe that these microaggressions are "in good taste" if "done politely" and for the sake of "demure blushes"...) BUT that gives men an increased authority and public approval to throw these comments to women at anytime and however they please, whether they like it or feel threaten or harassed by it (which is in most cases).

Also, I'm not trying to change your point of view, because given that I've read some of your posts I'd presume that your mindset seems to be on the conservative (and ehem, stubborn..) side.

I think we need to leave generalisations out of this. You do not speak for all women. There's a difference between harrassment and mentioning somebody's good looks (which always varies due to personal taste). If I say, as a woman, that a female skater is 'hot' (and I'm not into girls) what does that make me? And what about women who fancy women and say something flattering about a girl, is that any different from a man saying/thinking that?
I'm making no secrets about the male skaters I fancy and I'm quite outspoken about this. So, any lads who feel harrassed and offended by it, please come forward . Or any woman who feels that no men should be subjected to such 'awful' harrassment of that kind (having compliments thrown at them) should also make their case.

I said it before and I'll say it again: In a sport where make up and costumes and appearance play such a huge role, it would be only weird not to mention the 'fanciability' of a skater, since we're all (men and women) human. Most of all, they want to appeal to the audience otherwise they'd turn up in training gear and with no slap on. Which is fine by me.
The only time commenting on somebody's appearance is not acceptable at all is when it is in a negative or straightforward abusive way ("I'd like to ... her/him").

Edit: Just thinking about the gazillions of online comments on Instagram on their idols' posts... If I can't say 'you're gorgeous' anymore or #handsome then PC has spiralled out of control.

 

[Skatesocs]

Thesis originated on paper that has nothing to do with life. We had too much experience with some of similar artificial models that forcibly tried to change human society and went into calling everything nice (incl. any beauty care, pretty dresses, personal feelings etc.) as an burgeois relic, "explained" to people what they should and what they should not like and tought us that in future "perfect society" there will be no place for that. I don't want to go through the same nonsense twice, because only fool makes the same mistake repeatedly.

And there's the school that inspired all this...

 

[Novalis]

Thesis originated on paper that has nothing to do with life. We had too much experience with some of similar artificial models that forcibly tried to change human society and went into calling everything nice (incl. any beauty care, pretty dresses, personal feelings etc.) as an burgeois relic, "explained" to people what they should and what they should not like and tought us that in future "perfect society" there will be no place for that. I don't want to go through the same nonsense twice, because only fool makes the same mistake repeatedly.

Maybe "wokeness" will not do so well in Europe than it seems to be doing in North America, because Europe has learned from history. At least one ought to hope so.

Even mentioning a term such as "microaggression", sends shivers down my spine.

 

[LadyB]

Even mentioning a term such as "microaggression", sends shivers down my spine.