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I’ve been lurking here for awhile, but rarely post. But I want to get some input from you experts here. If all three ladies skate a perfectly executed, clean SP and FS, what order would the podium be? (Hypothetical competition, not Worlds). Considering both base value and PCS, and assuming Sasha Trusova does a clean 5 quad FS. Kamila Valieva, Alexandra Trusova, and Anna Scherbakova.
It's really difficult to predict what Sasha would get as we haven't seen her 5 quad layout yet. I did some analysis with their highest scores for each element and highest PCS and guesstimating Sasha's layout using her practice sessions and got the below potential highest scores.

Anna Shcherbakova: 277.34
Kamila Valieva: 278.83
Sasha Trusova: 280.90

Note: Sasha's layout has 3A in the short and 4Lz+1Eu+3S, 4Lz+3T in the free with +4 GOE (she hasn't done any of these in competition with good GOE yet). Her other jumps in the free are 4F, 4S, 2A+3T, 4T. I also assumed 0 GOE for her flips with unclear edge.

If it were me, I would rank them Valieva, Shcherbakova then Trusova. Valieva's GOE will still rise and I reckon Shcherbakova's PCS still has another 3 points or so in total to grow.
 
I agree that SS don't exist in a vacuum, and I agree that Kaori's program isn't good. But since we are talking about skating skills not choreo/interpretation/performance, Shcherbakova had an obvious stumble in the step sequence. It's hard to believe that would still leave her ahead of the skaters who in general do show better pure skating. Since they don't exist in a vacuum, how did she still come out on top?
To be frank I doubt StSq has strong connection with SS as for example in JGP Egna 2017 Alena Kostornaia gained 7.32 for SS and Rika gained 7.21 despite she fell two times during her StSq.
 
I did not engage you. There were claims of Kaori's SS superiority over Anna. My point (among others) is that SS do not exist in the vacuum. They are a part of the performance. Kaori's today performance for me in general was a miss - I already explained why. That's why bringing her as an example of superiority to Anna who was deep in the music seems wrong to me. You can have 2 actors playing Carl Lewis. I would not agree that actor A has better acting skills than actor B just because he actually outran him on the track.

I am with the judges here. ALL of them gave higher SS score to Anna than to Kaori today. So much for "Eteri bonus" and whatever conspiracy theory one could devise.

But it's all futile. The trademark of this board are "experts" opinions on how overscored the current top Eteri skater is. It's been like that since I registered: Yulia, Zhenya, Alina, now Anna.
I'm sorry then, but it's difficult to gauge since I was the first person that mentioned Kaori. I agree SS do not exist in a vacuum, similarly how SS isn't just steps either. But the poster everyone was replying to specifically started talking about steps. I stand by my view on that.

I don't get the whole "expert" thing. Of all people you would understand as you said SS don't exist in a vacuum. More PCS is always awarded to the more internationally renowned skaters, they literally aren't just judged in a vacuum. PCS component scores never differentiate a lot between each other. No reason to me why listed PCS scores are proof of one person having better skating skills than another anymore.
 
I found this NBC commentary of Anna's performance. Johnny Weir's showering Anna with compliments :love2::love2:

I think it's gonna be removed soon, so if you're interested watch it while it lasts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwWV6Gu9o5I
Great comments, thanks for sharing! :thank:

Having rewatched it, I think it's probably her best SP this season. Other times she made more mistakes. Here, apart from the stumble (I didn't notice it earlier while watching live), everything looks squeaky clean and strong.

I can't believe I'm about to sound like Nadya but... I watched her lutz at 0.25 speed in both the live and the replay. The normal angle is a bit far away and difficult to see the edge clearly and the replay angle is from the side but you can see Anna's foot turning to the outside edge.
From these angles, it's almost impossible to be certain what it was, but I would not give her a call, since it's not even clear if the edge is unclear (lol) and you do see her foot turning outside on the replay, so it's definitely not e.
 
I wrote a joke but then decided to not post it as I find it to be too evil:devil::devil::devil:. Now I'm confused is I evil:devil: or not?:shrug:
 
Great comments, thanks for sharing! :thank:

Having rewatched it, I think it's probably her best SP this season. Other times she made more mistakes. Here, apart from the stumble (I didn't notice it earlier while watching live), everything looks squeaky clean and strong.

I can't believe I'm about to sound like Nadya but... I watched her lutz at 0.25 speed in both the live and the replay. The normal angle is a bit far away and difficult to see the edge clearly and the replay angle is from the side but you can see Anna's foot turning to the outside edge.
From these angles, it's almost impossible to be certain what it was, but I would not give her a call, since it's not even clear if the edge is unclear (lol) and you do see her foot turning outside on the replay, so it's definitely not e.
Anna's spiral was really nice too (albeit short - but that's just the choreography), very nice proper extension with parallel legs, especially nice because she was having some difficulty with it in September/October.
 
I said that I used the same basis for calculation, not that I agree with everything Wong says. In fact, I believe he is often biased and/or wrong.

Interesting that she is going for 3 quads given that she only landed 1 or max. 2 quads in all competitions this season, and that both her FS practices were splatfests that are reminiscent of another Anna at another worlds competition.
Yes, but I would say you are too.

She hasn't attempted 3 quads yet, but it was her original plan. And she's had bad practices before. She didn't even do a runthrough before RusNats and landed 2 quads there.

And by that token Sasha is going for 4 or 5 and she has only landed 2 or 3 quads in competition all season. Rika is going for 2 3As and a 4S and she's never attempted that either and has only landed one 4S in competition all season.
 
Sorry if this has already been answered, but did Sasha or Plush offer any explanation for why she didn't go for the 3A today?

We saw so many clips of her nailing it in practice the past few days. I was surprised.
 
I agree that SS don't exist in a vacuum, and I agree that Kaori's program isn't good. But since we are talking about skating skills not choreo/interpretation/performance, Shcherbakova had an obvious stumble in the step sequence. It's hard to believe that would still leave her ahead of the skaters who in general do show better pure skating. Since they don't exist in a vacuum, how did she still come out on top?

Well, she was actually penalized and had 3lv for the StSq which is not usual for her. If you favor other skaters of course you can argue she should be penalized harder, as for me, it was fair enough.
 
I really doubt that Sasha will dare to do a 5-quad FS program. Don't get me wrong, I want to see it not less than you do but this argument that she has nothing to lose... I don't really know. I think that maybe 2 quads clean(!) program may still be enough for her to medal (I didn't do an excel though :LOL:). Skating clean would allow her to restore confidence and reputation in front of Fed and acquire higher pcs. And I think that 2-3 quads program is her max to stay clean at the moment, because rushing from 2 clean quads at Nats to 5 clean quads at Worlds seems more like a miracle, taking into account also that doing 5 quads at practice and during the actual performance are very different things with all the nerves and the program integrity (spins, steps, choreo, etc.)
 
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