Wanting to see a CLEAN short and long from Lambiel finally!

[slutskayafan21]

I am hoping to see a clean short and long program from Lambiel with all the jumps, including the triple axel. I am tired of seeing him do programs with so many mistakes. I would love to see what he is capable of scoring if he skates cleanly. His long program at Worlds had 3 big mistakes and he still cracked 160, a near fall on the second quad, a triple flip-triple toe combo which turned into a double flip, badly two footed triple toe; losing over 8 points outright for the mistakes, and likely more on GOE and PCS. At Skate Canada he managed a 146 with an old program, a double axel instead of a triple again, a quad toe fall-discounted triple toe combo, a doubled triple flip-triple toe combo, and a stumbled out of the second quad. So I really think if he landed all his planned jumps cleanly he could definitely crack 170.

I also think he could score in the high 80s if he did a clean short, if he could score a mid-60s with a short program at Skate Canada of a quad toe-fall-no triple toe combo, a double axel, and tumble on his final spin combo; and score a 72+ with a lame triple toe-double toe combo and a fall on a triple axel at Worlds, I think he could definitely manage that.

So it is time for him to stop stumbling and popping and falling on jumps. Just land all the jumps cleanly for once so we can see what he is capable of, not just the scores but the performance he is capable of without it being marred by all those silly jump mistakes.

 

[Mathman]

Ditto for Weir.

 

[slutskayafan21]

Ditto for Weir.

Even if Weir does a clean long program it wont be COP-maxed out to score big. Look at his Olympic long, even that was pretty close to clean and got a low score with its poorly construced element composition and jump layout.

 

[Snowgirl]

That's not because the program was initially poorly contructed, it happened because Johnny lost control, forgetting what he had to do and missing jumping passes.

 

[slutskayafan21]

That's not because the program was initially poorly contructed, it happened because Johnny lost control, forgetting what he had to do and missing jumping passes.

Look at Johnny's competitions in the 2005-2006 season. Every single one did not have a high technical base value to begin with, almost every one used only 7 jumping passes, had a bizarre jump layout, and some lower level non-jump elements. So are you saying he did that every single time, since otherwise that is the way it was constructed.

 

[flying camel]

Yes, a clean sp from Alissa!

 

[Mathman]

Actually, I think the days of two clean-as-a-whistle programs are over. (Michelle and 6.0, farewell.)

Nowadays, the winning strategy is to pack your program with every TES point you can manage, and try to hit about 80% of it.

The guys who are going for two quads, two triple Axels, and all the rest -- that is right at the limit of what the human body is capable of. I am not surprised that they can't land everything in any given four-and-a-half minute stretch.

 

[Snowgirl]

Look at Johnny's competitions in the 2005-2006 season. Every single one did not have a high technical base value to begin with, almost every one used only 7 jumping passes, had a bizarre jump layout, and some lower level non-jump elements. So are you saying he did that every single time, since otherwise that is the way it was constructed.

He often has low base because he doubles and singles jumps, had he done all his jumps rotated, it would be much higher. For example last year he was constantly losing more than 10 points doubling the 3Lo and singling second 3A. These jumps were not planned as double and single for sure.

If we take 4 ISU competitions of 2005-2006 (2 GP events, Olympics, Worlds), he had the same problems there. Whatever was the reason (in 2 cases he had to overcome injuries during his freeskate), the result was the same.

I still hope he can overcome all the troubles and give a food pop-free LP, and increase his PB, and I hope it will happen this Saturday.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I'd love to see Lambiel skate two clean programs too, but not here. Better to peak at Worlds.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I'm hoping Lambiel shows up and doesn't come up with another excuse not to skate.

I'm also looking forward to a nice comeback from Chiangji Li.

Evan needs a win to ensure he makes the Final. Johnny, should not get third!

Joe

 

[museksk8r]

I really hope to see clean skating from all the men, but especially Stephane Lambiel and Shawn Sawyer. IMO, they are the most talented of the men here. I LOVE what they have to offer skating in between all of the jump elements. They both have spectacular spins and program components. I would LOVE to see greater consistency from both of them! I really hope both of them nail their nemesis jump, the 3Axel, in both the short and long program. I know Lambiel has mastery of a quad jump and Sawyer will need to get a quad in his arsenal to be considered an elite skater by the judging panel. Both of these men are phenomenal and are my favorites in this event! Best of luck to them both. Of course, I also have my eyes on Evan Lysacek and Johnny Weir.

I'm rooting in the ladies for Bebe Liang, Yu-Na Kim, Fumie Suguri, Caroline Zhang, and Carolina Kostner. There's so much competition here and I hope all the ladies skate clean!

It should be a really exciting event in the mens' and ladies' singles competition here! Great prelude to what's to come later in the season!!

 

[Tinymavy15]

lambiel, weri, alissa?


this is gonna turn into a splatfest!

 

[cassieandcheetah]

lambiel, weri, alissa?


this is gonna turn into a splatfest!

hi, does anyone know why Lambiel has such trouble with the Triple Axel? If you think about it though, he's still quite young for such an elite skater that he is, so maybe he just jumped up the ranks a little too quickly before his 3-axel developed fully...

 

[museksk8r]

All the other elements of Lambiel's skating allow him to stand out from the rest of the pack. His 3Axel is really his only weakness. He landed a beauty in his LP at the '07 Worlds, but in no way has it been consistent. His consistency on the quad toe is only overshadowed by Brian Joubert and he unquestionably has the best spins among all the men. Plus, his program components rival the best in the world in that aspect, including Jeffrey Buttle and Diasuke Takahashi. A consistently clean Stephane Lambiel would be unbeatable, IMO. He at times has a habit of waiting too long before taking off for the Axel and he doesn't get the height he needs to complete the 3rd rotation. He lacks the confidence and snap he needs on that jump in order to succeed with it.

 

[slutskayafan21]

I'm hoping Lambiel shows up and doesn't come up with another excuse not to skate.

I'm also looking forward to a nice comeback from Chiangji Li.

Evan needs a win to ensure he makes the Final. Johnny, should not get third!

Joe

The only way Evan would win is a withdrawal from Stephane who you just said you hope does not withdraw. Also Johnny should as opposed to your should not be 3rd behind both Stephane and Evan, who always beat him. Unless something completely out of the ordinary happens the results should be: 1)Lambiel, 2)Lysacek, 3)Weir. It is pretty straightforward.

 

[Jaana]

I don´t necessarily want to see a clean sp and fs from Lambiel in this competition, because there is four months till the Worlds. In this point to be totally clean, would be too early, in my opinion. A skater needs to peak at the time it counts most. If Lambiel, as well as other competitors, make maybe one or two mistakes, but otherwise skate cleanly, it would be great.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

hi, does anyone know why Lambiel has such trouble with the Triple Axel? If you think about it though, he's still quite young for such an elite skater that he is, so maybe he just jumped up the ranks a little too quickly before his 3-axel developed fully...

He often overrotates it and can not bring the overrotation back to a proper landing. He doesn't do it every time. It's just a reputation he got for doing it once and it stuck, unfortunately.

 

[slutskayafan21]

On Stephanes website they were mentioning he isnt even planning to try the triple axel here. I am not happy at all about that.

 

[estephaniab]

On Stephanes website they were mentioning he isnt even planning to try the triple axel here. I am not happy at all about that.

They explained in the swiss newspaper also why: Because he started to train a new attempt to the axel two weeks ago and he is not ready yet with it for showing the 3A.
(He couldn't start with doing this earlier in october as he was once more thick, had to take antibiotics and couldn't train at all for two weeks )

So we can stronlgy hope this new attempt of Axel will bear fruits and he will able in future to do his 3A more regularly as in the past :thumbsup:

 

[hockeyfan228]

Unfortunately, there is no hope that Lambiel will do two clean programs at CoC; the fall he took on the 4T in the combo was scary.