2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[chasingneverland]

Yes, So are Kamila and Daria and Maiia.

It's a poor excuse to say that Anna and Sasha are struggling at worlds because of Kamila and Daria and how they are loved and supported by RusFed and Eteri . (As the original poster was suggesting)
Come on! I was hoping Sasha and Anna were better than that?!

That's not what the poster said AT ALL.

They were essentially saying not performing well here will severely jeopardize Anna, Sasha, and Liza's chances of making the Olympics next year because of the juniors, who competed at seniors this year. The poster was basically saying it'll "blacklist" them for next years team.

 

[Vlad Karigov]

I was very worried about Anna, but seeing that practically all the Russian media confirm that Trusova will go with 5 quads, the greatest of my fears appears... please do not repeat the disaster of the Rostelecom Cup last year... fall In a chain here it can leave Russia with 2 places for the Olympics and that would automatically mean the end of its career, and not only because of the failure in the World Cup, but because it would be pointed out by all as the cause of the loss of the 3 places...

It is a pity that she does not currently have a coach, someone who has a minimum of common sense makes her see reality, this is not a stage of the Russian cup to do jumping experiments. Russia is playing the future of women's skating and it could end in total failure if there is a disastrous skating...

 

[nussnacker]

I was very worried about Anna, but seeing that practically all the Russian media confirm that Trusova will go with 5 quads, the greatest of my fears appears... please do not repeat the disaster of the Rostelecom Cup last year... fall In a chain here it can leave Russia with 2 places for the Olympics and that would automatically mean the end of its career, and not only because of the failure in the World Cup, but because it would be pointed out by all as the cause of the loss of the 3 places...

It is a pity that she does not currently have a coach, someone who has a minimum of common sense makes her see reality, this is not a stage of the Russian cup to do jumping experiments. Russia is playing the future of women's skating and it could end in total failure if there is a disastrous skating...

For 3 spots to remain, 2 out of 3 skaters have to have placements, which sum up to 13.

Worst case scenario, 2 Russian ladies place 6 and 7th, they’ll still maintain 3 spots regardless of how 3rd skater places. I don’t think they’re in any danger of losing 3 spots, but I feel like not all 3 will go clean and certainly not all 3 will medal

 

[alexocfp]

I was very worried about Anna, but seeing that practically all the Russian media confirm that Trusova will go with 5 quads, the greatest of my fears appears... please do not repeat the disaster of the Rostelecom Cup last year... fall In a chain here it can leave Russia with 2 places for the Olympics and that would automatically mean the end of its career, and not only because of the failure in the World Cup, but because it would be pointed out by all as the cause of the loss of the 3 places...

It is a pity that she does not currently have a coach, someone who has a minimum of common sense makes her see reality, this is not a stage of the Russian cup to do jumping experiments. Russia is playing the future of women's skating and it could end in total failure if there is a disastrous skating...

Wait, has the qualification procedure changed?

Is it not:

Top two placements is equal to or less than 13

 

[Apple1078]

Wait, has the qualification procedure changed?

Is it not:

Top two placements is equal to or less than 13

Correct. If 2 skaters place equal to or less than 13 (and all 3 skaters make the FS which they already have), Russia keeps 3 spots. If one of the 3 skaters didn't make the FS (but the remaining 2 placed equal to or less than 13), Russia would have to send a skater to Nebelhorn (like the Vincent Zhou situation for the U.S. men).

 

[chasingneverland]

I was very worried about Anna, but seeing that practically all the Russian media confirm that Trusova will go with 5 quads, the greatest of my fears appears... please do not repeat the disaster of the Rostelecom Cup last year... fall In a chain here it can leave Russia with 2 places for the Olympics and that would automatically mean the end of its career, and not only because of the failure in the World Cup, but because it would be pointed out by all as the cause of the loss of the 3 places...

It is a pity that she does not currently have a coach, someone who has a minimum of common sense makes her see reality, this is not a stage of the Russian cup to do jumping experiments. Russia is playing the future of women's skating and it could end in total failure if there is a disastrous skating...

They're not in any danger of losing 3 spots...

 

[NastiaGalliamovfan]

If there is one skater that is statistically highly likely to have falls in a chain that is Shcherbakova, not Trusova, because objectively this is what she has been showing in practices for 4 consecutive days now.

we it already, you love Trusova and pray Shcerhbakova has a didaster skate.

 

[readernick]

If there is one skater that is statistically highly likely to have falls in a chain that is Shcherbakova, not Trusova, because objectively this is what she has been showing in practices for 4 consecutive days now.

But, Anna is a really good competitor. She still probably do fine. I hope Sasha does well too.. Perhaps she will pull a Nathan Chen and land everything!

 

[Amei]

If there is one skater that is statistically highly likely to have falls in a chain that is Shcherbakova, not Trusova, because objectively this is what she has been showing in practices for 4 consecutive days now.

Competition history is on the side of Shcherbakova being fine not Trusova, Shcherbakova gets the falls in during practice and competition she does okay. Can that change, sure, but by all accounts Shcherbakova is going with the layout shes done the last 2 competitions, Trusova is adding 2 more quads than she's done all season for a total of 5 and will be backloading 2, 1 of which is the lutz that shes never backloaded in competition before

 

[Fluture]

If there is one skater that is statistically highly likely to have falls in a chain that is Shcherbakova, not Trusova, because objectively this is what she has been showing in practices for 4 consecutive days now.

In practice? Yes. In competition? No.

And I‘m rooting for Trusova here, btw.

 

[NastiaGalliamovfan]

I hope Sasha does well too.. Perhaps she will pull a Nathan Chen and land everything!

I probably wont watch, I'll just let and check the results tomorrow
too much palpitations for a heart attack

 

[flanker]

I truly liked we did not get any data from yesterday, I think it would be better with no data from today as well. Whatever happens this evening, it's a sport with victories and defeats and it's nothing that can't be different next time.

 

[Paulipau]

If there is one skater that is statistically highly likely to have falls in a chain that is Shcherbakova, not Trusova, because objectively this is what she has been showing in practices for 4 consecutive

Yea, right.

That's because it's Anna who has a history of bombing performances and being clean once a season.

I love Sasha, but she has to get herself together.

 

[NastiaGalliamovfan]

I think some posts will be deleted, personally attacking skaters and coaches are against this site
also stop trying to outdo each other in jinxing which skaters, MG

I wont comment again in this page until the end of the ladies FS

 

[catherine21]

Any free live stream link of tne ladies free?

 

[Shayuki]

If there is one skater that is statistically highly likely to have falls in a chain that is Shcherbakova, not Trusova, because objectively this is what she has been showing in practices for 4 consecutive days now.

Why do you include "statistically" in something that has absolutely nothing to do with statistics?

 

[sclloyd]

Of course this is directly connected to statistics! If you are unable to see the connection then you clearly don’t understand what statistics is. My argument is a frequentist-inference based one: given how many jumps they completed successfully out of the jumps they attempted in practice (i.e., their success rates), what kind of forecasts can be made? What is the probability that they land those jumps? What is their expected number of landed jumps? Probability and expectation are fundamental concepts in statistics.

By the way, I got my statistical training at Harvard. Where did you get yours?

I have a MS. in mechanical engineering. Probably not enough stats there to hold an in depth convo with someone who studied stats primarily. HOWEVER. This isn’t an argument of statistics alone. Or at least, the way you’re viewing it isn’t going to show a whole picture. If I am recalling performances correctly, Anna has landed a higher percent of quads attempted in competition than Sasha has this season. That Anna has more falls in practice is not really a fair statistical way to assess everything. The conditions for practice and competition are different. Less time to warm up, more nerves, the pressure of only getting one shot to land them right... surely a Harvard trained statistician would know that these are OBJECTIVELY different scenarios and therefore cannot be compared statistically. Or is it trusting the obviously flawed logic of Ivy statisticians why US media headlines will say so and so has a higher approval rating than someone else, meanwhile the demographic split for the two different polls are completely different?

 

[Skatesocs]

^ It's okay, frequenstists hate Bayesians

 

[Lechat]

Sasha said she’s nervous, I hope she will deliver today.

 

[catherine21]

Historically, Anna's not been great at practice but always delivers in competition. If you base it on her most recent performance, you'll see that. Practice is so much different than competition. Environment and mindset are different. It's like taking a practice test on your own where you are just getting a feel of the exam versus taking the actual exam itself.

Honestly, you don't need to really have a full discussion of statistics here. We actually get your point that since she has been doing bad in practice, chances are she'll do bad as well in the competition. But, as you also know, she always does that. Have a worrisome practice then impresses us in the competition.