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2020-21 U.S. Pairs Figure Skating

Elena Bechke said something super interesting, that Tamara also mentioned regarding pairs, is that we hit a ceiling in this quad and all the pairs are kind of moving up and down in the same space because all of them have comparing difficulty, and there will come a point when something more will be required to win. At the moment that something is a third triple jump in the FS, and we’re seeing a lot more younger teams learning one.

Yes, that made a big difference in points for Mishina/Galliamov. They were the only team who had three triples in the FS. Of course, most pair teams have a huge amount of trouble landing two triples in the free skate. I've been watching M/G's earlier skates when I can find them. They've been doing 3S-euler-3S in the free since they were juniors.

Alexa and Brandon added another jump to have a 3-jump combo in their free, so I could see them maybe doing it. Also, as @TontoK mentioned, Audrey and Misha have a 3S-euler-3S. I mentioned a few pages back in this thread they've been working on it for a few years. I'm about 95% positive I saw them land it in an early season event a few years ago, but I can't find it now.

I was also intrigued by Bechke telling how much she struggled in making the decision to retire, first from "amateur" competing, and then from her hugely successful professional career with Denis Petrov. Tamara's advice cinched it both times. The first time, Tamara said, well, Gordeeva and Grinkov are coming back, you're at this point behind Mishkutenok/Dmitriev and will be fighting Brasseur/Eisler. You've got an Olympic silver medal now. Where will you go from there? Ten years later, Elena wanted to retire from professional ranks, but "I cried and cried." and went to Tamara. Tamara asked: what does your heart tell you? Elena: I want to have a baby. Tamara: Well then, "walk away. Change your career. Change your life."

It just illustrates how hard it is for those at the top to finally quit. I admire Tatiana Volosozhar, who said recently that her competitive goals were completely satisfied by winning the Olympics.

According to Bechke, Tamara also said, after B/P won Olympics silver: "You win. Take the medal. Find a career. Let other people be successful. They deserve a chance." That's something that I don't even say in GS any more, because whole crowds of folks will jump to defend skaters' right to try for another Olympic gold, or another national championship, or whatever. It's true, they have the right. But others also deserve a chance to shine.

Other than that, we kind of will have a vacuum in the next quad because I’m pretty sure S/H will be done, and who knows who else from the top? There will be space for another country to come to the podium, and if things line up for any team, skating the post Olympic season could be the opportunity of a career.
 
I’m less about the discourse of “giving other skaters a chance” but more of the “take your chance when you can, but be smart about it”. If Aljona wanted back into the game and could compete with the top pairs, I’d be all for that. But Elena also touched on the possibility that she might not do enough to win. And why would you go back to not go as far as you went before?

Especially when they get to this age when every injury could be career ending, it’s hard to justify the sacrifices.

On the topic of triple jumps, I always remember that Stolbova and Klimov added a triple-triple when they were already past their young twenties, and Aljona is landing quads in a harness. I’d say the possibilities for these older teams are not over if they find the right method. As Elena said, she went to Mishin to stabilize her triple toe. I don’t know if all pairs go to singles coaches for that, but it’s needed.

Even a stable triple-double would do the job for the podium for a team landing everything else. But landing everything else is also an issue.
 
As Elena said, she went to Mishin to stabilize her triple toe. I don’t know if all pairs go to singles coaches for that, but it’s needed.

It was revealing what it took for her to get the triple toe. She said she went to Mishin just to work on the jump for an hour and a half, five days a week. That was on top of all her practice with Denis for pairs. That would be very hard for an American pair, for instance, even to afford to pay an additional coach for that much time, plus additional ice time.
Even a stable triple-double would do the job for the podium for a team landing everything else. But landing everything else is also an issue.
Right! And then, so many of them land everything in practice constantly, but in competition is a whole 'nother thing.
 
Here's a 3-week old interview of Tarah Kayne by Cafecito con Masha. And yes, Masha asks her about the break-up with Danny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHfOtOJzOno

I listened to Cafecito with Masha's interview with Alexa and Brandon, up to the hypothetical baby talk, which is around the 25 minute mark. I guess some people are/will take it as a joke, but for me, once married couples mention the possibility, it's real even if it sounds like teasing. :) Still, of course it depends on what and how K/F do in the next year. Here's the link again; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY9JfMhX2Sw
 
It was revealing what it took for her to get the triple toe. She said she went to Mishin just to work on the jump for an hour and a half, five days a week. That was on top of all her practice with Denis for pairs. That would be very hard for an American pair, for instance, even to afford to pay an additional coach for that much time, plus additional ice time.
And that kind of hinders all the pairs in the American program, right? I think it should be something facilitated by the Fed, at least if they really want their pairs to succeed. Especially in the coming years, if we don't have another strong North American pair incoming, the Russians are going to dominate this field, because China doesn't really have any other pairs besides Peng/Jin when S/H retire.
 
At the moment, it’s not like there are tons of pairs in the US pushing them to retire, so it wouldn’t be impossible to take a season off after the olympics for a kid and then come back. But it’s kind of hard to make a plan to return when you don’t know how your technique is going to hold up. Especially when it’s not really giving you any clear advantage now over the field.
Exactly. Another example is Serena Williams who took off time from tennis to have a baby in 2017. I know it is a different sport. But Serena is a talented and committed athlete. She had serious complications during her pregnancy, in addition to the life-threatening broken glass incident in a restaurant which came close to killing her due to some complications in the hospital. Still, Serena came back to compete after both incidents. Only she hasn't yet been able to come back from having a baby to win any more majors past her record-setting 23 total. She has been tirelessly trying to tie and to break Margaret Court's all-time record of 24 Championship wins.

Regarding K/F 's technique at the moment. I don't see much wrong with Alexa/Brandon's technique. What are you seeing that you think doesn't give them an advantage over the field? They have high quality elements and they are extremely well-matched. I see K/F as having the ability to push the top teach, which means they have the skill and talent to be ahead of a lot of other teams. IMO, it is more confidence and experience together that they need to build. And of course continue fine-tuning and refining everything. I'm not sure I detect any technique drawbacks. Do you think 'ballet class' may help? They may already take some ballet barre and stretches.
 
And that kind of hinders all the pairs in the American program, right? I think it should be something facilitated by the Fed, at least if they really want their pairs to succeed. Especially in the coming years, if we don't have another strong North American pair incoming, the Russians are going to dominate this field, because China doesn't really have any other pairs besides Peng/Jin when S/H retire.
Well, the Todd/Jenni teams are working with Raf or his assistants, which can be helpful.

In terms of triples for pairs, Savchenko/Szolkowy (and some other teams) were landing 3/3 combos pre-2010, so a lot goes in cycles. Granted that 3/3 combos for pairs are extremely difficult to master. Most pairs have trouble even mastering 3/2 combos or individual sbs triples.

With the advent of Duhamel/Radford performing single 3-lutzes and then effortlessly adding a 3-2-2 combo, the latter element has become almost a necessity to challenge for the podium. The 3-2-2 combo seemingly replaced the 3/3 combo because maybe the 3-2-2 combo is somewhat easier to master than a 3/3.

I personally think the 3/2 is enough for pairs, along with another single sbs triple jumping pass and two triple throws in the fp. I don't really like seeing singles or pairs doing a 3-2-2 combo because it looks rather disjointed from programs, and really not connected at all with program flow, theme or expressivity. Much less is it about the unison, line and symmetry of pairs. Trying to land 3-2-2s smoothly and in unison is probably the hardest thing to tweak.

I'm kind of on-the-fence about the quad twist and throw quad making a comeback in pairs. I am really more into seeing the connection between two people, and interesting choices in music and costume selection. Plus, skillful choreography and trying to find ways to weave a story, which is nearly impossible under the current restrictive rules.

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About China's future pairs prospects, I've heard that they have been trying hard to find another magical pair. I guess the next great Chinese pair team hasn't been exactly humming off the assembly line. Their investment in Chelsea Liu did not pan out. She is back in the U.S. Maybe Peng/Jin will step up. But from what I've seen of them, they haven't yet been consistently performing or fulfilling the early promise they showed for greatness. P/J are very good and very competitive, but they also have vulnerabilities.
 
Regarding K/F 's technique at the moment. I don't see much wrong with Alexa/Brandon's technique. What are you seeing that you think doesn't give them an advantage over the field? They have high quality elements and they are extremely well-matched. I see K/F as having the ability to push the top teach, which means they have the skill and talent to be ahead of a lot of other teams. IMO, it is more confidence and experience together that they need to build. And of course continue fine-tuning and refining everything. I'm not sure I detect any technique drawbacks. Do you think 'ballet class' may help? They may already take some ballet barre and stretches.
I don't think there's anything wrong with their technique, but it's just about enough to maybe give them the chance of a medal at the moment. So definitely not any advantage over the field. Maybe in NA, but not if you put Europe and Asia on the mix.

Their technique is good, but judging by the Worlds' field, they'd still need the combination of two out of three russian pairs faltering, and one chinese too. With their current set of elements, I'm not sure they have enough to reach the podium in big competitions. If they stay another year, and assuming S/H will retire, maybe T/M too, then their options become more open. But for the next season, it's going to be hard for them to do anything other than try to break into the top5, and maybe optioning for a bronze. Also, for that, they'd need to be above and beyond the best pair in the US. If they get caught in internal dispute over who's the best, they might get lost in the middle, as it kind of happened at Worlds. They are still stuck in that second to third group--from 6th to 10th place. Not far from the podium by placements, but definitely not close either.
 
In addition to the throw 4Lp practice, it looks as though [Lu/Mitrofanov are] adding a 3S-Eu-3S. Who knows if the throw is worth the risk, but the jump combo definitely is. It won't be enough to beat one of C/L or C/J if they are hoping to go to the Olympics - they have to beat both of them. I think we agree that the Fed might not have a problem putting them ahead of both of those teams if the situation merits it, but they have to give them a reason to do so.

I like their mindset and their attack, but I haven't really enjoyed their programs as much. The sneak of the new free is encouraging.
Regarding Lu/Mitrofanov, it is great that they are making this push. They truly need to find an expressive program that suits and yet stretches them to find more connection. They are good technically, so it is nice to see them working on upping the technical ante. Adding the euler between two 3 jumps sounds good, and I think it can be more visually pleasing even than the bumpity bumpity bumpity 3-2-2, if executed well.

L/M's weakness is expressing a connection and projecting to the audience. But the good thing is that they both recognize, as related by a commentator, that they have introverted personalities, which means they have to work harder to project outward and to connect with each other. What about some kind of updated version of Madame Butterfly for L/M?

[K/F] have a potential like no other American team, especially in the GOE department, but we'll have to see how to deal with actually delivering going forward. But that's been the crux for all American teams since ever. They almost never deliver internationally, there's this big moment at Nationals, and then they get to Worlds and it's never there again (again, my history of the American teams is not that deep, but I just never remember them outside of USNats)

Without that mistake they would have been second, for sure. The judges might have even bumped them into the 70s. But it's still short from the Russians, who also had a mistake. Still if you take a look at them, you'll see where their PCS come from. Better yet, compare with M/K, who even when skating side-by-side have more connection than K/F.
K/F are not the only U.S. team with great potential. C/J are right up there on everything in terms of quality GOE, especially with lifts and 3-twist which is arguably even better than K/F's 3-twist. C/J simply need to find a way to gain comfort and consistency with their SBS jumps, and with nervous excitement (which Jessica appeared to experience at 2021 U.S. Nationals).

I think it's a generalization to say that U.S. teams "almost never deliver internationally." Evora/Ladwig delivered hugely and consistently at the 2010 Olympics, but were low-balled by the judges. The U.S. has two teams who set historical records internationally: Inoue/Baldwin (first throw 3-axel at 2006 Olympics); Vise/Trent (first 3-quad salchow on the GP in 2007). Denney/Coughlin were a very good pairing who were consistent technically, but then ran into injury problems which led to their retirement. D/C placed as high as 8th at Worlds. Coughlin had earlier placed as high as 6th at Worlds with Caitlin Yankowskas. The second-to-last highest placement by a U.S. team since the 2002 World bronze medal victory of Ina/Zimmerman. In 2006, Inoue/Baldwin placed 4th at Worlds, 7th at the Olympics, and 1st at 4CCs.

In recent years, the U.S. has seen a number of very competitive teams, who didn't advance farther or had their momentum hampered by injury/ illness, including the Knierims; Denney/Frazier; Kayne/O'Shea, et al. The Knierims had a boffo quad twist and had placed as high as 7th at Worlds, which Alexa has already matched with her new partner of only one year, Brandon Frazier. U.S. teams have had a number of successes in the junior ranks over the years. All the U.S. pairs discipline has ever needed is attention and dedicated development, which in recent years has been happening to a greater degree. But more attention and development, and opportunities for skaters to compete are needed.

Marley/Brubaker were an excellent team with potential (sidelined after Marley's eating disorder). Who knows what Yankowskas/Coughlin might have accomplished had their split not occurred? McLaughlin/Brubaker were a gorgeous team on the rise, when McLaughlin may have experienced growing pains and decided to stop competing. Brubaker is unquestionably one of the formerly best pairs guys in the world, but he ran into a lot of bad luck.

I've always enjoyed watching U.S. pairs teams from Starbuck/Shelley, to Babilonia/Gardner and beyond right down to today. That's a lot of history which I have found enjoyable with or without teams being on the podium. But yeah, right about now, I'd say that U.S. teams are overdue for the chance to reach the podium. Still, the U.S. discipline remains just behind Canada in terms of number of years being off both World and Olympics podiums. Canada went 19 years off both podiums until the success of Underhill/Martini. Ummm, fingers-crossed that if the U.S. ties the Canadian record next year, they will be able to turn that corner the following year and make the Worlds podium, like Underhill/Martini!!!! But don't tell U.S. teams that! We don't want to give them any added pressure to succeed.

LOL, I do love pairs, and I could talk all day about my skating memories.
 
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So definitely not any advantage over the field. Maybe in NA, but not if you put Europe and Asia on the mix.
Ummm, let's look at it this way: Few if any teams are as good as K/F have proven to be after only one year together during a competition-limited and training-limited pandemic! Therefore, they have amazing potential to be even better next season, if they keep pushing forward, believing in themselves and discovering who they are as a team. Let's give credit where due.

K/F and C-G/LD could have and probably should have placed a bit higher at 2021 Worlds (and helped gain a third spot) but considering the pressure circumstances and limited training/competitions, they certainly held their own, especially amidst the casual knee-jerk tendency to be looked down upon by fans and judges.

^^ This. I was really impressed with M/K's development in this area. They have just a beautiful way of looking at each other during both their skates. That really draws an audience in and puts them on their side.

This is U.S. pairs and not Worldwide Pairs, but regarding Miura/Kihara in comparison to K/F at the recent WTT, I would agree with you and @coldblueeyes that M/K have a wonderful connection which is part of the excitement and buzz around them. Plus, the fact that Japan has never had such a good pairs team since Takahashi/Tran.

I still think that M/K have more to learn and to improve upon. Perhaps the combination of their program music and choreo, along with their connection, and added to skating in Japan is why the judges seemed to be throwing a lot of GOE their way, which in some cases I felt was a bit high.

K/F have more experience, albeit with other partners. And it is understandable that after only one year together, K/F are still working on developing an aesthetic connection. I don't think they have no connection in comparison to M/K. But that is an area K/F can work on. Meanwhile K/F have a bit more power and slightly better quality elements overall than M/K, in my opinion.

It's just the tendency to slightly overlook or look down on U.S. teams, which means U.S. teams have to be more confident and consistent, so the judges will stop holding back on the scoring, like they did to K/F in the sp at Worlds because they skated early as a new team.
 
Their technique is good, but judging by the Worlds' field, they'd still need the combination of two out of three russian pairs faltering, and one chinese too. With their current set of elements, I'm not sure they have enough to reach the podium in big competitions. If they stay another year, and assuming S/H will retire, maybe T/M too, then their options become more open. But for the next season, it's going to be hard for them to do anything other than try to break into the top5, and maybe optioning for a bronze. Also, for that, they'd need to be above and beyond the best pair in the US. If they get caught in internal dispute over who's the best, they might get lost in the middle, as it kind of happened at Worlds. They are still stuck in that second to third group--from 6th to 10th place. Not far from the podium by placements, but definitely not close either.

Anything can happen in figure skating. There's a lot of times we predict on paper, and then we're completely surprised by certain outcomes. There isn't any doubt that K/F had the opportunity and could have with a clean skate, placed fifth in the sp and 6th overall, with C-G/LD having a good opportunity to place 7th overall, again with a strong, clean skate. Both teams have the ability to skate clean. But executing under pressure is key.

I'm not necessarily expecting K/F to podium at Worlds and Olympics next season, but if they are better, more confident and consistent, and win medals on the GP, then they have the quality elements to back them up, along with establishing rep with international judges. All of this will elevate their competitive stature, and none of it is impossible, particularly after their showing in this unusual season.

I have to disagree that there's any uncertainty about K/F being considered number one in the U.S. now. At 2021 Worlds, the situation with the judges was that K/F were a new team, so therefore relatively unknown together. The judges did know them with other partners. But as a new team, they had to skate early, which means politically, they got the short end of the stick on scoring. What I noticed was that because the judges did not give them points they deserved (I'd say closer to at least 65.84 -- which is nearly a point higher so that's conservative, but worthy due to their quality), the relatively low-ball early score meant the judges had to put a number of teams behind K/F, because K/F simply have obviously better quality, in addition to a number of teams making more mistakes in the sp.

C-G/LD skated slightly better than K/F in the sp, and they also skated later because they'd been to Worlds in 2019. That's why C-G/LD were placed percentage points above K/F, which has nothing to do with K/F's status as the best U.S. team at the moment. C/J are right there with K/F in terms of quality elements, aside from C/J's sbs jumps Achilles heel, which they are surely working on. I think K/F made nervous mistakes in the fp, but the exceptional quality was still obvious, not to mention being as good as they are as a first-year team. C-G/LD also had nerves, and thus with a stronger performance could also have placed higher than 9th.

Bottom line, as a new team, K/F have to establish themselves in the minds of the judges, and they've obviously done that this season. The U.S. has a lot of strong senior teams, with more depth right now in seniors than Canada. On the other hand, Canada has greater pairs depth in juniors than the U.S. currently has. Still, I'm pretty sure that K/F are seen as the top U.S. team by U.S. fed, and they are by virtue of individual experience and the great potential they have together, which seems to exceed what they had with their former partners (which again was nothing to sneeze at).
 
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Here's a 3-week old interview of Tarah Kayne by Cafecito con Masha. And yes, Masha asks her about the break-up with Danny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHfOtOJzOno

I listened to Cafecito with Masha's interview with Alexa and Brandon, up to the hypothetical baby talk, which is around the 25 minute mark. I guess some people are/will take it as a joke, but for me, once married couples mention the possibility, it's real even if it sounds like teasing. :) Still, of course it depends on what and how K/F do in the next year. Here's the link again; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY9JfMhX2Sw
Alexa was talking/joking about a baby at the last Olympics.
 
Alexa jokes, but she's probably serious in that she thinks about it. She would probably be ready if not for still loving skating and having goals she wants to reach. Their dogs and cats are like children to them. I'm sure Alexa & Chris are both thinking and planning about starting a family, and things are fluid. But most likely, skating goals are their main priority for now.

BTW, thanks @skylark for linking that interview with Tarah Kayne. Did the Mexican host of that show used to compete as a skater herself? She is so enthusiastic and effervescent and supportive of U.S. pairs teams.

Since Tarah herself revealed details about why she and Danny split up, I hope it's okay to make references here to what she said. With now knowing some of the details, I am sad to hear about the problems they faced, which is probably a small indicator of just how tough the pandemic restrictions were on so many skaters around the world. Probably the Russians, Japanese, and South Korean skaters were largely government-supported to continue most of their training.

It's mind-boggling that Tarah & Danny no longer had a place to stay because they couldn't live at the Olympic Training Center and still continue to use the rink there (due to pandemic restrictions). The way Tarah describes Danny breaking it to her about not wanting to continue competing is so heartbreaking. After the split, Danny later had a change of heart. But right now, it appears that neither of them have found new partners. Perhaps it's for the best if either or both find new partners and a fresh perspective.

There has been a lot of speculation about Tarah pairing with her current boyfriend, Balazs Nagy, but apparently that's not the case if she's still searching. And it's unclear exactly what Danny's plans are at the moment.
 
Did the Mexican host of that show used to compete as a skater herself? She is so enthusiastic and effervescent and supportive of U.S. pairs teams.
Yes, at least at the national level. In the beginning of her every show you can see that her studio is decorated with medals with Mexican flag coloured band. And she is supportive to each skater she interviews.
 
Well, wonderful recap of pairs history, but if we’re considering 6th to 8th great results, then none of the US pairs really need to find a solution to their current problems, I guess? And I say this just matter-of-factly, they are going to continue to land there if they compete like they have been, because I don’t see two or three teams entering the scene and surprising everybody. Especially past the Olympics with retirements happening.

I just would like to see them going a bit further. So it’s not that I give them no credit, but I’m skeptical in general. Until they show me they can do it, I won’t believe they can.
 
Well, wonderful recap of pairs history, but if we’re considering 6th to 8th great results, then none of the US pairs really need to find a solution to their current problems, I guess? And I say this just matter-of-factly, they are going to continue to land there if they compete like they have been, because I don’t see two or three teams entering the scene and surprising everybody. Especially past the Olympics with retirements happening.

I just would like to see them going a bit further. So it’s not that I give them no credit, but I’m skeptical in general. Until they show me they can do it, I won’t believe they can.
I completely agree with you. US pairs are given a hard time not because they aren’t good but because they aren’t great! The same thing could be said for US Women right now. I said up thread that I think K/F will only continue to compete if they are placing 3, 4, 5 at major internationals. I don’t think they switched partners and continued at their ages (especially when Alexa has alluded to children on multiple occasions) for results that were on par more or less with their old partnerships. I do think when they teamed up the goal was the Olympics, even if the results were similar as to what they had done previously. But I bet they only continue past the Olympics if they are placing higher consistently. And that’s not to say, K/F or any of our other top pairs are bad.
I am going to preface this with saying I’m not trying to put US Pairs down and I really do like many US Pairs. It’s also my favorite discipline to watch.
So, as far as C/J, I would say many of their pair elements are better than K/F (or atleast last time we saw them compete against each other). However, they cannot continue to get free passes about the SBS jumps. The international judges are not going to give them PCS or GOEs if they are consistently not just having small mistakes but bombing the SBS jumps. I went back and looked and there were only two times (Not two competitions but two programs) that they didn’t have negative GOEs on their jumps at International competitions. That combined with missing Worlds 2 years in a row is going to hurt them internationally. All that said, I do hope they work out the jump issues because they are truly our best when it comes to pair elements. But if they (or any team) are kept giving free passes when it comes to messing things up, US Pairs are never going to contend for a medal. Heck the World Champions this year didn’t even know they were going to make it on the World Team until quite late. They had to go to a competition to prove themselves. It all comes down to, how do we get back to being medal contenders? It seems like it’s Consistency And finesse because all the pairs are mostly trying the same elements. Our US Pairs teams have finesse, it’s the consistency we’re lacking.
 
I’m not sure it’s going to be the trend, but S/H really lost the world title because they didn’t rotate their jumps. So any American pair that wants to get onto the big podiums need jumps. It’s not even about being super clean all the time, but most of the time would be good. And especially landing jumps is just about the only thing between good and great pairs.
 
I believe in Alexa and Brandon, I have been believing in Alexa since I first saw her. I first saw Brandon being hesitant during the warming up for the short program of the worlds, I think they will outgrow these nerves and I trust Brandon will keep his cool and do his job . I have my doubts he will ever be expressive but as long as he connects with Alexa with the right programs she can perform for both of them. So hopefully they will keep on working hard. I could not believe saying this for US pair but their 3T jump is getting one of their strongest elements. I am looking forward to next season.
Not great or all but I like US pairs they are all so different from each other and are not overacting or making some forced expressions. I always enjoy Ashley and Tim programs and performance, they ar so natural, C/J have sreally good pairs elements but I guess still need more experience and to work on their mentality or jumps whatever is the real problem, Danny and Tarah had some great programs , L/M have good elements too but I still see them as juniors I don't know why :( , grateful to see Mervin still skate... Btw Chris seems like he is doing great as a coach, putting down all the competitive pressure, I am sure he will fix K/F death spiral in the free skate and never let them do level 2 again.
 
I completely agree with you. US pairs are given a hard time not because they aren’t good but because they aren’t great! The same thing could be said for US Women right now. I said up thread that I think K/F will only continue to compete if they are placing 3, 4, 5 at major internationals. I don’t think they switched partners and continued at their ages (especially when Alexa has alluded to children on multiple occasions) for results that were on par more or less with their old partnerships.
Except that Brandon said in the interview with Masha that he considered retiring after 2020 nationals and after putting time and thought into the question, decided that competing in figure skating is "something I want to do regardless of results. It's just what I want to do with my time and with my life at the moment."

Alexa was pretty much agreeing with everything he said. My impression of Alexa's motivation is that she just wants to keep training, skating and competing now because she's seen and experienced first-hand how it won't last forever. She's ambitious, yes, but I really feel she and Brandon are clear about doing this right now and appreciating every moment simply for the love of the sport.

 
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