2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[*~RussianBleux~*]

Isn’t < pretty under? Because “q” is now for 90 or less so < is an obvious under. Alysa always had issues rotating the 3A and quad but used to be so solid on the 3-3s. I’m disappointed to see her skating potentially going the way of many of the other US ladies who have never been able to challenge internationally due to <s, but also skeptical of this judging. The PCS did seem very low considering the program she showed at PFT. All we can do is wait until Cranberry.

I think she likely needs a quad to have any more than an outside shot at the Olympics so I’m also disappointed that she couldn’t get it ready in time to put it out there in these early competitions. From what I’ve seen in the past, it just seems like if you want to rely on that element during the season then you should have it ready and in the program by the end of the summer at the latest. Waiting for important competitions in the fall seems very risky.

I’m not sure quite what to think but I’m worried. I thought she’d be farther along than this by now. Maybe a lot of time was spent building that PCS, which was arguably the most important thing, and is now playing a bit of catch up addressing the issues with the jumps.

 

[Sjs5572]

Isn’t < pretty under? Because “q” is now for 90 or less so < is an obvious under. Alysa always had issues rotating the 3A and quad but used to be so solid on the 3-3s. I’m disappointed to see her skating potentially going the way of many of the other US ladies who have never been able to challenge internationally due to <s, but also skeptical of this judging. The PCS did seem very low considering the program she showed at PFT. All we can do is wait until Cranberry.

I think she likely needs a quad to have any more than an outside shot at the Olympics so I’m also disappointed that she couldn’t get it ready in time to put it out there in these early competitions. From what I’ve seen in the past, it just seems like if you want to rely on that element during the season then you should have it ready and in the program by the end of the summer at the latest. Waiting for important competitions in the fall seems very risky.

I’m not sure quite what to think but I’m worried. I thought she’d be farther along than this by now. Maybe a lot of time was spent building that PCS, which was arguably the most important thing, and is now playing a bit of catch up addressing the issues with the jumps.

Alysa definitely does not need a quad to make the Olympic team. With the quad, however, she can make the Olympic podium.

 

[JessicaBranit]

Isn’t < pretty under? Because “q” is now for 90 or less so < is an obvious under. Alysa always had issues rotating the 3A and quad but used to be so solid on the 3-3s. I’m disappointed to see her skating potentially going the way of many of the other US ladies who have never been able to challenge internationally due to <s, but also skeptical of this judging. The PCS did seem very low considering the program she showed at PFT. All we can do is wait until Cranberry.

I think she likely needs a quad to have any more than an outside shot at the Olympics so I’m also disappointed that she couldn’t get it ready in time to put it out there in these early competitions. From what I’ve seen in the past, it just seems like if you want to rely on that element during the season then you should have it ready and in the program by the end of the summer at the latest. Waiting for important competitions in the fall seems very risky.

I’m not sure quite what to think but I’m worried. I thought she’d be farther along than this by now. Maybe a lot of time was spent building that PCS, which was arguably the most important thing, and is now playing a bit of catch up addressing the issues with the jumps.

Alysa got calls from U.S. domestic competitions and didn't have any pervilidge comparing with Karen and Bradie. But don't forget thst she did the Tes 78 to get the bronze medal in WJC where Lindsay didn't enter into the free skate. And when many people sent her death penalty and ridicule her body last year, she came back perfectly in U.S. Champ.
In Russian Junior Test, Eteri girls didn't do their best and everyone knows that's just for 'test' to judge whether the choreography has mistakes. Alysa just did her test which can't determine anything.

 

[Jeanie19]

Alysa got calls from U.S. domestic competitions and didn't have any pervilidge comparing with Karen and Bradie. She did the Tes 78 to get the bronze medal in WJC where Lindsay didn't enter into the free skate.Can you list just one girl who couldn't compete internationally because judges "let Alysa go"? Nobody. But Alysa won 14 spots for U.S. girls to compete in JGP and 3 spots for WJC.Alysa lets many girls "go".
In Russian Junior Test, Eteri girls didn't do their best and everyone knows that's just for 'test' to judge whether the choreography has mistakes. Alysa just did her test which can't determine anything.

Welcome to Golden Skate, post often.

 

[Dogo]

In Russian Junior Test, Eteri girls didn't do their best and everyone knows that's just for 'test' to judge whether the choreography has mistakes. Alysa just did her test which can't determine anything.

Exactly!! Akatieva and Adelia had issues with her jumps and everyone is okay thinking this is just a summer test. Being worried about Alysa so early on and being so eager to crucify her is really pointless and a bit cruel to me. She has not had a full 1 or 2 years of popping jumps and/or heavily under rotating them unlike other skaters. However, at this point, she has proven to us that she DOES have lots of grit and works on things to improve them.

 

[Sjs5572]

Judging is a big ?? to me. I do not understand the PCS here. US Figure Skating's ISU/international level judges gave this exact same program a 72 a few weeks ago during the Peggy Fleming trophy, so we should expect those scores to be a more accurate assessment of what Alysa will get in terms of PCS. That's 6 points right there. Also, she lost more than 10 points on under rotations alone. I have no doubt that those will be addressed.

This program is easily capable of reaching mid/high 150's with just one 3A. Add the second axel and the quad and she could break 170.

Her first year senior PCS trajectory is the reason why a multitude of competitions is crucial for Alysa in an Olympic season (her team seems aware of this). e.g. Zagitova started with a 31/67 PCS at the 2017 Lombardia Trophy, and was 36/77 by the 2018 Olympics with very little noticeable change in presentation. I expect that Alysa's PCS will likewise increase, assuming she remains consistent and executes her Utlra-C elements. Actually, from what I saw at Peggy Fleming, Alysa deserves more of a first senior year boost than Zagitova. Just crossing my fingers that no competitions need to be canceled.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

Exactly!! Akatieva and Adelia had issues with her jumps and everyone is okay thinking this is just a summer test. Being worried about Alysa so early on and being so eager to crucify her is really pointless and a bit cruel to me. She has not had a full 1 or 2 years of popping jumps and/or heavily under rotating them unlike other skaters. However, at this point, she has proven to us that she DOES have lots of grit and works on things to improve them.

This. No one made any assumptions about Kamila after her disastrous free skate at the Russian cup stage this past season where she fell three/four times? This competition was Alysa's test skates

 

[Tavi...]

Judging is a big ?? to me. I do not understand the PCS here. US Figure Skating's ISU/international level judges gave this exact same program a 72 a few weeks ago during the Peggy Fleming trophy, so we should expect those scores to be a more accurate assessment of what Alysa will get in terms of PCS. That's 6 points right there. Also, she lost more than 10 points on under rotations alone. I have no doubt that those will be addressed.

This program is easily capable of reaching mid/high 150's with just one 3A. Add the second axel and the quad and she could break 170.

But she didn’t perform the exact same program at Peggy Fleming. The number / type of elements and length of the program are different. In addition scoring may be somewhat different to IJS. And of course, she may have skated better at PFT.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

Alysa definitely does not need a quad to make the Olympic team. With the quad, however, she can make the Olympic podium.

That’s what I meant

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

Alysa got calls from U.S. domestic competitions and didn't have any pervilidge comparing with Karen and Bradie. But don't forget thst she did the Tes 78 to get the bronze medal in WJC where Lindsay didn't enter into the free skate. And when many people sent her death penalty and ridicule her body last year, she came back perfectly in U.S. Champ.
In Russian Junior Test, Eteri girls didn't do their best and everyone knows that's just for 'test' to judge whether the choreography has mistakes. Alysa just did her test which can't determine anything.

The issue for me is the < because that often becomes a pattern that greatly impacts competitive potential, particularly on her 3-3s which never got those calls before. And the fact that they were < and not q. I would not be as concerned if she had rotated with mistakes.

 

[frida80]

The issue for me is the < because that often becomes a pattern that greatly impacts competitive potential, particularly on her 3-3s which never got those calls before. And the fact that they were < and not q. I would not be as concerned if she had rotated with mistakes.

I’m not too worried about her calls at this point of the season. Both her 3-3 are backloaded, so it’s expected to have some stamina issues early in the season. Plus her 3A was called fully rotated the day before. So it’s more so getting used to the new program, jumping with her new speed, and working up to get the stamina needed to nail the back loaded combos.

That said I’m very impressed with Alysa. Having a relatively clean program this early after such a long break and getting such a high score is a great accomplishment. I’m a little weary about her 3Lz+3Lo combo, as they are rarely called clean for anyone. However, the judges seem quite impressed with her component scores already. They gave her 8s for a early season program. I think this bodes well for the rest of the season.

 

[kalbi]

I’m not too worried about her calls at this point of the season. Both her 3-3 are backloaded, so it’s expected to have some stamina issues early in the season. Plus her 3A was called fully rotated the day before. So it’s more so getting used to the new program, jumping with her new speed, and working up to get the stamina needed to nail the back loaded combos.

That said I’m very impressed with Alysa. Having a relatively clean program this early after such a long break and getting such a high score is a great accomplishment. I’m a little weary about her 3Lz+3Lo combo, as they are rarely called clean for anyone. However, the judges seem quite impressed with her component scores already. They gave her 8s for a early season program. I think this bodes well for the rest of the season.

Actually I believe her 3A was called Q the day before?

 

[Amei]

Actually I believe her 3A was called Q the day before?

Q and a fall https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2021/30003/SEGM033.html

 

[mrrice]

Q and a fall https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2021/30003/SEGM033.html

I was thinking her score was a bit low until I saw the scores of the other skaters. That's a huge spread!

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

Alysa could've gotten 185 and then people here would be here saying stuff like "Is she going to be able to maintain that until the olympics."

Just can't please everybody.

 

[readernick]

Honestly, most of people aren't saying anything disrespectful. They are being cautiously optimistic and being reasonable in their expectations. People acknowledge that Alysa has made noticeable improvements in her PCS. However, declaring Alysa to be national champion and saying she will land on the Olympic podium is not reasonable at this stage. It is normal to speculate, but no one knows what will happen this season. Her performance wasn't bad for a summer competition. Neither was it commanding. It could be a good but slow start to a great season or the issues she had here could be replicated throughout the year. No one knows. Alysa has potential. Great results aren't guaranteed. The same thing could be said for all the American ladies, Russian ladies, and Japanese ladies. Time will tell .. We all need to learn to be less sensitive about our favorite skaters, not everyone is going to love the same skaters we do ..

 

[sheetz]

It's especially difficult without any video footage of the competition. Would an international tech panel call the URs the same way? And it's not just about Alysa because there were similar reservations about Vincent's scores from Broadmoor. That's why everyone is looking forward to Cranberry next week.

 

[Amei]

It's especially difficult without any video footage of the competition. Would an international tech panel call the URs the same way? And it's not just about Alysa because there were similar reservations about Vincent's scores from Broadmoor. That's why everyone is looking forward to Cranberry next week.

Outside of Japan my impression is that star skaters generally get favorable calls domestically. And it's not like the Alysa has never under-rotated before, so I'm inclined to believe that the calls were justified.

 

[halulupu]

Outside of Japan my impression is that star skaters generally get favorable calls domestically. And it's not like the Alysa has never under-rotated before, so I'm inclined to believe that the calls were justified.

Of course they are justified. I would say its more like a q in domestic competition will translate into a < in real competition. And a < is more an << in real. Especially when domenstic star skater are judged.

 

[Tanya]

Does anyone know how to watch Cranberry?