2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[mrrice]

Unless we start hearing that she's injured I don't think withdrawing from a summer competition is cause for concern, a lot of top skaters don't do multiple summer/pre-GP competitions, the top Russians, excluding Mishin's skaters, typically only do 1 Challenger event prior to their GP. I think a skater like Liu who had to regain her top jumps and went through some growing pains last year is a little different from an established senior skater like Tennell

I truly hope you're right.

 

[ptvvibezz]

Alysa received 139.39 for her FS at the Silicon Valley Open.

 

[figures2001]

It seems that she attempted one triple axel and landed it with an under-rotation. Two other under-rotations were called. No falls. Her components will probably be scored a bit higher at larger competitions as well. I can see her FS scoring at least 10 points higher in the next few months if she adds another triple axel. I'm not sure how many other US ladies will be able to contest that. A solid score for her first showing!

 

[Apple1078]

It seems that she attempted one triple axel and landed it with an under-rotation. Two other under-rotations were called. No falls. Her components will probably be scored a bit higher at larger competitions as well. I can see her FS scoring at least 10 points higher in the next few months if she adds another triple axel. I'm not sure how many other US ladies will be able to contest that. A solid score for her first showing!

I agree! Not sure if she still has her 4Lz but if she does, the solo 3Lz would probably be the placeholder. The 2A is probably a placeholder for her second 3A.

I hope they work on her URs but a really good start to her season and great to see that there were no falls. She's always been fairly consistent and doesn't seem to have lost that consistency.

 

[readernick]

It seems that she attempted one triple axel and landed it with an under-rotation. Two other under-rotations were called. No falls. Her components will probably be scored a bit higher at larger competitions as well. I can see her FS scoring at least 10 points higher in the next few months if she adds another triple axel. I'm not sure how many other US ladies will be able to contest that. A solid score for her first showing!

She got three UR. Other US ladies can contest that... Bradie. A clean Amber (who doesn't have an UR problem) . I'm not trying to put Alysa down. However, she isn't ( currently) performing at a level that guarantees her anything. She may be in a few weeks or by nationals.

 

[Apple1078]

I feel like Amber is the only US woman without an UR problem (which is problematic). Not sure why they all have these URs.

 

[RatedPG]

Good job Alysa! I think she is the first American Lady to score over 200 this season. Her 3A was landed but under rotated. Also, she never seems to rotate her 3S in the Euler combo. Had she rotated this jump at Nationals, she would have earned the silver medal. I think she should consider a different combo. Promising start for Alysa. This type of routine would guarantee the Americans, a third spot for the Olympics at Nelhborn. So, she is looking solid. But, Amber and Mariah are definitely capable of beating her if they focus on their triples. I can’t wait for Cranberry.

 

[figures2001]

She got three UR. Other US ladies can contest that... Bradie. A clean Amber (who doesn't have an UR problem) . I'm not trying to put Alysa down. However, she isn't ( currently) performing at a level that guarantees her anything. She may be in a few weeks or by nationals.

I was referring to if and only if Alysa put in her 2nd triple axel and cleaned up her under-rotations. Otherwise, I'm sure that Amber or Bradie could possibly outscore 139 at this moment. We'll have a better idea next week, although Bradie won't be there.

 

[Ichk]

I would call this a spectacular first outing for Alysa. There were a few under-rotation calls, however I can see them all being cleaned up as we go throughout the season. Let’s not forget the spectacular growth she showed from the start of last season to this years nationals. Also, from last nationals and this years Peggy Fleming trophy, I can see her PCS increasing by 4-7 points by nationals. There’s also an additional triple axel and quad lutz to look out for.

 

[readernick]

I was referring to if and only if Alysa put in her 2nd triple axel and cleaned up her under-rotations. Otherwise, I'm sure that Amber or Bradie could possibly outscore 139 at this moment. We'll have a better idea next week, although Bradie won't be there.

Oh, I see. If she cleans up her performance then she will certainly be on the US Olympic team. However, I think Amber still has a chance to beat a clean Alysa if she is able to add a 3A to both programs. The quality of her jumps and her speed is superior to Alysa. Amber's problem has always been her lack of consistency. But, her consistency has improved dramatically over the last few years.

 

[figures2001]

Oh, I see. If she cleans up her performance than she will certainly be on the US Olympic team. However, I think Amber still has a chance to beata clean Alysa if she is able to add a 3A to both programs. The quality of her jumps and her speed is superior to Alysa. Amber's problem has always been her lack of consistency. But, her consistency has improved dramatically over the last few years.

I agree! I'm hoping and rooting for a consistent Amber most of all this season.

 

[Amei]

She got three UR. Other US ladies can contest that... Bradie. A clean Amber (who doesn't have an UR problem) . I'm not trying to put Alysa down. However, she isn't ( currently) performing at a level that guarantees her anything. She may be in a few weeks or by nationals.

It was a good start to the season, but if the under-rotations continue to be a situation for her then it will definitely lessen her shot in the international field and it's not exactly an unattainable score for some other US ladies.

I feel like Amber is the only US woman without an UR problem (which is problematic). Not sure why they all have these URs.

Amber's problem isn't under-rotations, though she does occasionally get them (but is there anyone who never URs?), her problem in her last international season was pops - which are worse points-wise than an under-rotation. Below was what I pulled from the scoring sheets at her 2 GP events and 4CCs; at Nationals she was called clean:

2019 Skate America: SP she had 1 UR, FS - 2 pops into single jumps
2019 GP China: SP clean; FS - 3 URs and 1 pop into a single jump
4CCs: SP: popped her double axel to a single (which means 0 points); FS: popped another double axel to a single

 

[readernick]

It was a good start to the season, but if the under-rotations continue to be a situation for her then it will definitely lessen her shot in the international field and it's not exactly an unattainable score for some other US ladies.



Amber's problem isn't under-rotations, though she does occasionally get them (but is there anyone who never URs?), her problem in her last international season was pops - which are worse points-wise than an under-rotation. Below was what I pulled from the scoring sheets at her 2 GP events and 4CCs; at Nationals she was called clean:

2019 Skate America: SP she had 1 UR, FS - 2 pops into single jumps
2019 GP China: SP clean; FS - 3 URs and 1 pop into a single jump
4CCs: SP: popped her double axel to a single (which means 0 points); FS: popped another double axel to a single

Yes, pops have always been Amber's problem. Everyone has a bad day on occasion and URs, but it hasn't been a major issue for Amber in her career. However, I think she has been consistently improving. Her 4CC axel issues make sense now that we know she was working on a 3A. I believe her only pop last year was on the 3S at the end of her 3 jump combination. So, she has improved a lot. I am not saying she will dominate the US ladies or definitely be on the Olympic team. However, I think she deserves the same consideration others are given.

 

[MCsAngel2]

Even in the best case scenario, where Amber may be holding an edge over Alysa with the jumps, I feel like Alysa is still most likely to be chosen for Nebelhorn because her PCS is higher. Amber really has no choice but to put in all the 3As, and nail them, if she wants to secure a spot for the Olympics.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

Judging is a big ?? to me. I do not understand the PCS here. US Figure Skating's ISU/international level judges gave this exact same program a 72 a few weeks ago during the Peggy Fleming trophy, so we should expect those scores to be a more accurate assessment of what Alysa will get in terms of PCS. That's 6 points right there. Also, she lost more than 10 points on under rotations alone. I have no doubt that those will be addressed.

This program is easily capable of reaching mid/high 150's with just one 3A. Add the second axel and the quad and she could break 170.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

Also, performance at these tiny competitions should in no way be used as a "predictor" for later in the season. A couple of years ago, Alysa had a disaster free skate at the Glacier Falls invitational, where she fell on all of her 3A's and quads. But then she won JGP Usa by 20 points the next week.

 

[Dogo]

I am very skeptical of the PC and other jump grades Alysa was given because she was the ONLY competitor during the FS in this tiny small competition. During the SP there were 2 other girls with super low PCs (3 total, including Alysa) and by the time Sunday arrived, only two participants were scheduled (Alysa +1) and then the other girl decided to withdraw. So it was a last-minute 1 girl show. And I can only imagine how awkward that can be after they announced it to the audience...

Also, I was google-ing who these judges were and well... I'm just gonna say I will wait until Cranberry cup to give my commentary on the score report. Alysa showed great sportsmanship, didn't pop jumps, and is definitely testing waters this early on. As much as I want to be cautiously optimistic with everyone, Cranberry will be the first Summer competition for both Amber and Mariah, whereas Alysa is going with a great warm up.

 

[ice coverage]

Also, performance at these tiny competitions should in no way be used as a "predictor" for later in the season. A couple of years ago, Alysa had a disaster free skate at the Glacier Falls invitational, where she fell on all of her 3A's and quads. But then she won JGP Usa by 20 points the next week.

In reality, a far cry from "the next week."
2019 Glacier Falls SP was on July 19.
2019 JGP Lake Placid SP was on Aug 30.

Judging is a big ?? to me. I do not understand the PCS here. US Figure Skating's ISU/international level judges gave this exact same program a 72 a few weeks ago during the Peggy Fleming trophy, so we should expect those scores to be a more accurate assessment of what Alysa will get in terms of PCS. That's 6 points right there. ...

PCS from Peggy Fleming Trophy is not necessarily a reliable benchmark one way or the other.

Peggy Fleming Trophy has its own PCS criteria that are different from IJS PCS criteria.
Plus Peggy Fleming Trophy judging was based on video.

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Good luck to all the women at Cranberry.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

In reality, a far cry from "the next week."
2019 Glacier Falls SP was on July 19.
2019 JGP Lake Placid SP was on Aug 30.



PCS from Peggy Fleming Trophy is not necessarily a reliable benchmark one way or the other.

Peggy Fleming Trophy has its own PCS criteria that are different from IJS PCS criteria.
Plus Peggy Fleming Trophy judging was based on video.

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Good luck to all the women at Cranberry.

Her component score at 2020 nationals was a 70, and now these local club judges give her a 66? And you think that's valid? Unless you're suggesting she regressed? Okay...

 

[Greengemmonster]

So weird that it was a one woman show! Good on her for putting herself out there to be judged. Whatever the marks or calls I think it's a great way to prepare for what's to come.

I just wish there was a video of it!!!