2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[Lzbee]

I always like to say: form is nntemporary, class is permanent.

A few months ago, Karen Chen was “next.” But, she has gone backwards this year.

And it’s laughable to be calling anybody a lock for the Olympic team in October.

Oops. People piling on you here as if this was a slight on Alysa but the comment you were replying to was actually saying Lindsay had already earned her spot

That said, unless Alysa scores below 190 at the rest of her events, she is a lock

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

Yes, actually they all can if she isn't rotating her 3A. Her elements aren't superior to the other women. The real issue is, will they? Most aren't very reliable or particularly good competitors. Alysa is a superior competitor not a superior skater. Bradie might do it, if she is healthy. Her international PB is significantly higher than Alysa's.

Rawr.

 

[Skatesocs]

Oops. People piling on you here as if this was a slight on Alysa but the comment you were replying to was actually saying Lindsay had already earned her spot

I wasn't piling on him. I just like taking friendly jabs at alexocfp. We both like Kaori even if we disagree on Tukt. heh.

 

[Lzbee]

I wasn't piling on him. I just like taking friendly jabs at alexocfp. We both like Kaori even if we disagree on Tukt. heh.

Oh no I wasn't meaning anyone in particular, sorry if it sounded directed at you. Just that I noticed a lot of people were reiterating the same point about Alysa but the original post was actually mainly about Lindsay haha

 

[Minz]

According to Phill Hersh, Bradie had a leg injury. Hopefully she is okay in time for Skate America!

 

[Skatesocs]

Oh no I wasn't meaning anyone in particular, sorry if it sounded directed at you. Just that I noticed a lot of people were reiterating the same point about Alysa but the original post was actually mainly about Lindsay haha

Well, having watched Thorngren's skating, I personally don't have such expectations even if it were January and she were landing quads. Just don't think her skating is good enough for the Olympics.

 

[ice coverage]

According to Phill Hersh, Bradie had a leg injury. Hopefully she is okay in time for Skate America!

"Boot issues and foot problems" was the wording that Hersh used when tweeting yesterday about Bradie's pre-Skate America media availability.

"She did experience some boot/foot issues but would not elaborate," per Figure Skaters Online's tweeting yesterday.

I think for most speakers of English, "foot" conveys something different from "leg."

In any case, Bradie said she is trying to keep things positive. I wish her well.

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Mariah Bell and Hannah Harrell are on the start list for the Championship Series in Henderson

2022 U.S. Figure Skating Championship Series

Event Results for 2022 U.S. Figure Skating Championship Series

ijs.usfigureskating.org

Plus ... start order for Junior Ladies in Henderson includes Clare Seo, Josephine Lee, Mia Kalin, Hannah Herrera.

Championship Series in Allen, Texas, also is taking place this week. Start orders have not been published yet.

Good luck to all.

 

[macy]

"Boot issues and foot problems" was the wording that Hersh used when tweeting yesterday about Bradie's pre-Skate America media availability.

"She did experience some boot/foot issues but would not elaborate," per Figure Skaters Online's tweeting yesterday.

I think for most speakers of English, "foot" conveys something different from "leg."

In any case, Bradie said she is trying to keep things positive. I wish her well.

this would explain her boot switch. I'm not sure what she was wearing in the recent video of her (Jacksons?) but no more Pianos.

 

[chuckm]

If Amber performed as she does in practice in competition, than she is better in almost all elements than Alysa. And, the judges want to reward Amber. She got very high PCS in both programs given how nervy her performance was.... People say that the judges wouldn't score her as well as some of the US skaters ( and that might be true nationally) but international judges like her. Her nerves are responsible for her placement not external factors.

That being said, I think if she does well at the GPs, the US fed will send her if she comes 1 or 2 at Nationals.

Better than Alysa? Better how? When has Amber scored over 200 internationally? Alysa, Bradie and Karen have all done that, and more than once.

Amber got OK PCS scores at Finlandia, but they were nowhere near Karen's, or Alysa's at Nebelhorn.

Finishing 9th at Finlandia was hardly a triumph. She is going to have to do better in the GPs.

At SA, Amber not only needs to outshine Bradie and Audrey, but place well against high performers like Kaori Sakamoto, Young You, and Trusova plus two more Russians.
She faces You, Sakamoto and Trusova again at NHK, plus Kihira and Alysa Liu.

In the past, Amber hasn't been impressive at her GP events, finishing mid-pack in both 2019 and 2020, and she was 9th at 4CC 2020, where she faced the same skaters she will meet at GP
2021 (Kihira, You, Sakamoto, Kim, Lim--all of whom scored over 200).

And she's going to have to deliver in competition that 3a she talks so much about.

 

[mrrice]

Better than Alysa? Better how? When has Amber scored over 200 internationally? Alysa, Bradie and Karen have all done that, and more than once.

Amber got OK PCS scores at Finlandia, but they were nowhere near Karen's, or Alysa's at Nebelhorn.

Finishing 9th at Finlandia was hardly a triumph. She is going to have to do better in the GPs.

At SA, Amber not only needs to outshine Bradie and Audrey, but place well against high performers like Kaori Sakamoto, Young You, and Trusova plus two more Russians.
She faces You, Sakamoto and Trusova again at NHK, plus Kihira and Alysa Liu.

In the past, Amber hasn't been impressive at her GP events, finishing mid-pack in both 2019 and 2020, and she was 9th at 4CC 2020, where she faced the same skaters she will meet at GP
2021 (Kihira, You, Sakamoto, Kim, Lim--all of whom scored over 200).

And she's going to have to deliver in competition that 3a she talks so much about.

I was about to ask the same question. I love Amber but, even she said that she didn't have a good outing this weekend. I'm still in Ambers corner but, this event knocked her down a few pegs if she gets in a position similar to last year. She was passed over due to her lack of International success and this was another strike against her.

 

[mrrice]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Mariah does this week in Nevada. The season did not start well and after Champs Camp, I wonder if she'll even have the same SP.

 

[readernick]

Better than Alysa? Better how? When has Amber scored over 200 internationally? Alysa, Bradie and Karen have all done that, and more than once.

Amber got OK PCS scores at Finlandia, but they were nowhere near Karen's, or Alysa's at Nebelhorn.

Finishing 9th at Finlandia was hardly a triumph. She is going to have to do better in the GPs.

At SA, Amber not only needs to outshine Bradie and Audrey, but place well against high performers like Kaori Sakamoto, Young You, and Trusova plus two more Russians.
She faces You, Sakamoto and Trusova again at NHK, plus Kihira and Alysa Liu.

In the past, Amber hasn't been impressive at her GP events, finishing mid-pack in both 2019 and 2020, and she was 9th at 4CC 2020, where she faced the same skaters she will meet at GP
2021 (Kihira, You, Sakamoto, Kim, Lim--all of whom scored over 200).

And she's going to have to deliver in competition that 3a she talks so much about.

You obviously misunderstood the point of my post or didn't read the post it was responding to.
I said if she performed as she does in practice in competition. I didn't say I think she likely to do that or has ever done so in the past. Amber is a terrible competitor. My point was that her low scores aren't the result of international panels being unwilling to give her high scores.They are the result of her own inability to skate clean. She is at fault for her own lack of success not external factors. Evidence this weekend suggests that if she did skate clean, she would score her well.

As to how she is better, her jumps are better and her SS are better. But, it doesn't matter because 5 to 1 she won't skate clean


Alysa is very very likely to be on the Olympic team because she a consistent competitor. Being a good competitor is, in fact, more important than being the most talented jumper, having the best skating skills or any other skill a skater might possess. Alysa also has the best programs of the US women this year. I just think we should be fair and reasonable in our assessment of all skaters.

 

[alexocfp]

Oops. People piling on you here as if this was a slight on Alysa but the comment you were replying to was actually saying Lindsay had already earned her spot

That said, unless Alysa scores below 190 at the rest of her events, she is a lock

I wasn't piling on him. I just like taking friendly jabs at alexocfp. We both like Kaori even if we disagree on Tukt. heh.

No way do I see it as piling on either.

Disagreement is ok. I, as Alex, can dish it out and am prepared to take it. It’s only fair.

I welcome friendly and even unfriendly jabs. Haha

@Skatesocs likes Kaori so that earns a few points in my book. And I have plenty of time to get skatesocs on the team empress bandwagon. Just be patient. Haha

The locks also don’t take into account injuries. These unfortunate things can pop up at any time, given the physical nature of this sport.

October to February is 4 months on the calendar, but a lifetime in figure skating.

 

[mrrice]

According to Phill Hersh, Bradie had a leg injury. Hopefully she is okay in time for Skate America!

So do I. After her Brilliant outing at Nationals last year, I would hate to see her miss the team. Unfortunately, I think her poor outing at Worlds did not do her any favors. Other than Alysa and Lindsay, I don't any other ladies as "Locks" to make the team.

 

[jenaj]

Yes, actually they all can if she isn't rotating her 3A. Her elements aren't superior to the other women. The real issue is, will they? Most aren't very reliable or particularly good competitors. Alysa is a superior competitor not a superior skater. Bradie might do it, if she is healthy. Her international PB is significantly higher than Alysa's.

Actually, Bradie's int'l PB isn't significantly higher than Alysa's. Bradie got 222 at 2020 4CC and 225 at 2019 WTT. Alysa got 219 in her senior debut at Lombardia.

 

[Kathy1]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Mariah does this week in Nevada. The season did not start well and after Champs Camp, I wonder if she'll even have the same SP.

I would be happy see her replace both programs and do a "Best of Bell" strategy with a Chicago SP and "Hallelujah" FP.

The Best of Plushenko may have only been good enough for Olympic silver but I believe the Best of Bell could at least make it to Beijing.

 

[macy]

i thought there was news she went back to an old FS? wasn't it Einaudi or Hallelujah?

 

[skatingiscool]

You obviously misunderstood the point of my post or didn't read the post it was responding to.
I said if she performed as she does in practice in competition. I didn't say I think she likely to do that or has ever done so in the past. Amber is a terrible competitor. My point was that her low scores aren't the result of international panels being unwilling to give her high scores.They are the result of her own inability to skate clean. She is at fault for her own lack of success not external factors. Evidence this weekend suggests that if she did skate clean, she would score her well.

As to how she is better, her jumps are better and her SS are better. But, it doesn't matter because 5 to 1 she won't skate clean


Alysa is very very likely to be on the Olympic team because she a consistent competitor. Being a good competitor is, in fact, more important than being the most talented jumper, having the best skating skills or any other skill a skater might possess. Alysa also has the best programs of the US women this year. I just think we should be fair and reasonable in our assessment of all skaters.

You're comparing orange to apple. You are comparing Amber's "practice" to Alysa actual competition performance which doesn't seem fair and square. Actually, Alysa's practice is better than her performance at Nebelhorn cup. She had a nice 3A during morning practice but she popped 3A in actual competition. Besides 3A, Alysa has much better spins (much FASTER, more centered) than Amber.

 

[mrrice]

i thought there was news she went back to an old FS? wasn't it Einaudi or Hallelujah?

I hope it's Hallelujah, that program was brilliant and she skated it with such passion.

 

[ptvvibezz]

IIRC, someone from Champs Camp tweeted that Mariah switched both programs; River Flows In You for SP and Hallelujah for FS.