2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[dancelion21]

Yes, but that's assuming that the judges actually judge what is put on the ice and not reputation/ fed support. K/S get scores that are very hard to comprehend at times given how messy he is.... I'm not saying it is impossible for the US teams to beat them but it won't be easy...

Due to the nature of ice dance politics, neither H/D or C/B will be beating S/K this season if S/K don't make obvious mistakes. However, they are very injured, and they certainly can't win if they have to withdraw. It's possible that S/K are still so injured come Olympics that they request to not do the Team Event to save their strength for the Individual Event, or ask to split it to preserve their bodies. If that's the case, both H/D and C/B are fully capable of beating S/B or any other Russian Ice Dance team and the USA's gold medal chances improve significantly, since the other Russian team would be very likely of finishing below G/P of Canada and possibly also Guignard/Fabbri of Italy in the rhythm dance.

 

[Sjs5572]

Yes, but that's assuming that the judges actually judge what is put on the ice and not reputation/ fed support. K/S get scores that are very hard to comprehend at times given how messy he is.... I'm not saying it is impossible for the US teams to beat them but it won't be easy...

That's a lot of politicking, between women, pairs and dance. Also, S/K is not even doing Grand Prix. I guess their scores at Europeans compared with P/C will provide some tea leaves (assuming S/k is well enough to compete).

 

[skatingiscool]

I got the impression that a few of the ladies didn't know they were supposed to go sit in that seat. Gracie wasn't the only one who didn't go sit in the make shift kiss and cry area. Just a thought.

Amber needs to up her base value, just another combo in the second half would help. I would like to see a combination of either Amber, Mariah or Lindsay get the open two spots. It isn't worlds, where placement matters. I believe Alysa will be top 10, and where the other two end up really doesn't matter, and between the remainder of the women, they are all at about the same level. A perfect Amber would be a clear number 2 after Alysa, her PCS is (in my opinion) in the same league as Karen, Bradie and Mariah. Amber is exciting and powerful, but I'm not sure why her BV is so low, when she is such a great jumper.

If Alysa doesn't do BOTH programs (team event) at Olympics, the second spot DOES matter for the team event purpose. US vs Japan for the Silver medal.

 

[moonvine]

Well, I remember when Richard Dornbush Captured the Silver behind Ryan Bradley in 2011. He was fresh off his win at the Junior GPF and he had to lengthen his program to make it Senior eligible and he was great. I think it's VERY possible for Lindsay to do the same thing.

And he is a prime example of a skater who did extremely well internationally as a junior but for whatever reason was unable to successfully make the transition to senior internationally.

Richard DORNBUSH | RinkResults

Figure skating results for Richard DORNBUSH, University of California San Diego (UCSD)USA (USA)

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[R.D.]

Where the Top Contenders for the Olympic Spots are Now

Group 1: (Consistent Top 3)
Nobody

Group 2: (Consistent Top 5 or Top 3 Once)
Alysa Liu: Consistent and strong competitor, but struggling with rotating triple-triples in the second half of her programs. May add more ultra-C elements.
SB: 219.24 (Lombardia)
Median Score: 207.40

Group 3: (Consistent Top 10 or Top 5 Once)
Karen Chen: Inconsistent, but lovely spins and gets the highest PCS marks of all the US ladies. Also the reason why the US has three spots.
SB: 208.63 (2021 Worlds)
Median Score: 192.95

Group 4: (Consistent Top 15 or Top 10 Once)
Amber Glenn: Inconsistent, may add an ultra-C
SB: 201.02 (Skate America)
Median Score: 192.24

Bradie Tennell: Currently injured, unknown when she'll compete again
SB: 197.81 (2021 Worlds)
Median Score: N/A

Lindsay Thorngren: Promising junior, exciting to see how she will be scored at a senior event. Consistent competitor.
SB: 193.77 (JPG Slovakia)
Median Score: 189.61

Yet to Compete
Mariah Bell: Yet to compete at major international events this season. She changed her programs after Champs Camp, and her triple-triples have been looking less solid.

Thanks for this summary post. Tennell being injured, that is not good for the US chances...

Chen, I recognize she's a big reason the US has that third spot but I don't recall her doing that well when they sent her in 2018...would they go out of their way to select her in 2022 if it came down to it?

Lindsay Thorngren, don't know her but there's always that newcomer that pops up in an Oly year to play spoiler...

 

[mrrice]

And he is a prime example of a Junior who did very well
Internationally but for whatever reason was unable to make the transition to international success as a senior.

Richard DORNBUSH | RinkResults

Figure skating results for Richard DORNBUSH, University of California San Diego (UCSD)USA (USA)

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That was a surprise to me as well. He did have success at another Nationals placing 5th but, he never made it back to worlds after 2011 where was 9th.

 

[TontoK]

That was a surprise to me as well. He did have success at another Nationals placing 5th but, he never made it back to worlds after 2011 where was 9th.

I'll always have mixed feelings about Dornbush. I liked his skating generally, but his was the first Sherlock Holmes program that I recall... and that and Chaplin are my alltime LEAST favorite programs to watch. One of those comes on, and it's time for a bathroom break.

But, we're drifting off topic.

 

[TontoK]

Lindsay Thorngren, don't know her but there's always that newcomer that pops up in an Oly year to play spoiler...

Spoiler for what? Are we concerned that she's going to win Olympic selection over one of a bunch of generic underachievers?

Despite her faults, at least Alysa is trying to develop content that could be relevant. The others are trying to hone skills, that even if perfected, are second-tier at best.

While Lindsay's skating is still developing, I'd chose an athlete with a future if the decision is close.

 

[dancelion21]

That's a lot of politicking, between women, pairs and dance. Also, S/K is not even doing Grand Prix. I guess their scores at Europeans compared with P/C will provide some tea leaves (assuming S/k is well enough to compete).

As of now, S/K are still on the entry list for NHK Trophy and Rostelecom. Whether they will actually be competing there.... let's see.

 

[Amei]

Spoiler for what? Are we concerned that she's going to win Olympic selection over one of a bunch of generic underachievers?

Despite her faults, at least Alysa is trying to develop content that could be relevant. The others are trying to hone skills, that even if perfected, are second-tier at best.

While Lindsay's skating is still developing, I'd chose an athlete with a future if the decision is close.

Lindsay is developing the TES that could be relevant as well, in Leesburg last week and at her last JGP event she did 3 triple-triples in her FS 2 of them back-loaded (that's on par with what we see from the Russians); sure the triple axel has been marked downgraded at both events, but she's still doing more difficult content than Karen, Mariah and Amber.


Leesburg Event
Last JGP event

 

[dancelion21]

If Alysa doesn't do BOTH programs (team event) at Olympics, the second spot DOES matter for the team event purpose. US vs Japan for the Silver medal.

Even in Japan's best case scenario, they don't have a serious chance for the silver medal unless the Americans bomb since they're going to get buried in the rhythm dance. The Americans and Japanese are actually on pretty equal footing in all the events (Japan and the US will likely go 1-2 in men and 2-3 in ladies, and some combo of USA, JPN, and CAN will be 3-5 in pairs), but Japan just has a huge disadvantage in the rhythm dance, where they will be outscored by Russia, USA, Canada, China, Italy, UK, and Georgia. That's probably at least a 5-6 point differential they would need to make up by going perfect in all the other disciplines and hoping the American skaters bomb.

 

[TontoK]

Lindsay is developing the TES that could be relevant as well, in Leesburg last week and at her last JGP event she did 3 triple-triples in her FS 2 of them back-loaded (that's on par with what we see from the Russians); sure the triple axel has been marked downgraded at both events, but she's still doing more difficult content than Karen, Mariah and Amber.


Leesburg Event
Last JGP event

See, that's what I'm talking about. Someone with a fighting spirit.

Thanks for the protocols.

 

[Jammers]

Seems to me that skating clean is what is going to be needed to make the Olympic team this isn't Russian Nationals where the top girls need quads or triple axels to make the podium no one other then Alysa is even going for a triple axel right now among the top US ladies.

 

[Minz]

Seems to me that skating clean is what is going to be needed to make the Olympic team this isn't Russian Nationals where the top girls need quads or triple axels to make the podium no one other then Alysa is even going for a triple axel right now among the top US ladies.

Amber has also been practicing the 3A, but we haven’t seen it in competition other than 2021 US Nationals, where she fell.

 

[Amei]

Amber has also been practicing the 3A, but we haven’t seen it in competition other than 2021 US Nationals, where she fell.

She did try it at Cranberry cup and Finlandia with no success.

 

[mrrice]

She did try it at Cranberry cup and Finlandia with no success.

That's right. I guess she has landed a couple in the practices at events but, has yet to land one in competition.

 

[b-man]

Lindsay is developing the TES that could be relevant as well, in Leesburg last week and at her last JGP event she did 3 triple-triples in her FS 2 of them back-loaded (that's on par with what we see from the Russians); sure the triple axel has been marked downgraded at both events, but she's still doing more difficult content than Karen, Mariah and Amber.


Leesburg Event
Last JGP event

I never watch JGP or smaller competitions. With that difficult content, Lindsay's scores are still similar to what Amber/Karen are getting. I see Gracie broke 100 in FS which she seldom/never does, so improvement for her. Ting was entered, but had a terrible score. A shame, as she was so good at Detroit Nationals.

 

[moonvine]

I never watch JGP or smaller competitions. With that difficult content, Lindsay's scores are still similar to what Amber/Karen are getting. I see Gracie broke 100 in FS which she seldom/never does, so improvement for her. Ting was entered, but had a terrible score. A shame, as she was so good at Detroit Nationals.

Ting had a really bad time of it. I felt terrible for her. Gracie didn’t skate all that well, alas.

 

[ptvvibezz]

Shouldn't be a shock but Bradie has WD from CS Warsaw Cup.

2021-22 International Assignments and Results

2021-22 International Assignments and Results

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[Minz]

Shouldn't be a shock but Bradie has WD from CS Warsaw Cup.

2021-22 International Assignments and Results

2021-22 International Assignments and Results

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I really hope that Bradie is OK. Hopefully, she'll be good for nationals. (I believe she has a bye because she was US Champion last year, so she can still go even without competing.)