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We all love Gracie, but unfortunately that isn't going to happen. The tiered group selection process now makes that impossible.
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I think at this point, the reality has to have hit Gracie that the Olympic Team will not be happening. I hope she's having a good time being out there but, even if she were to do well at Nationals, she won't be near the podium. If she still loves skating, I'm happy to cheer for her.
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Karen posted a nice 3Lzeu3s on her instagram stories! I’ve been saying since she did this combo at 4CC 2020 (i believe) that if she’s doing a 7 triple program she should use 2A3T and 3Lzeu3s as her big combos, so I hope she’s going back to that now!
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This is actually a good strategy, provided a 3A is off the table. All ladies are required to perform an axel jump.
The 3T tacked on the end of the double axel counts just as much (on its own) as a 3T on the back end of a 3/3 combination.
I'm doubting she will even make it to Nats. She's good enough but is still skating below par.
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The unfortunate thing is that even though the BV doesn't change, the perception by the judges does. It becomes "oh you can't do a triple-triple", and that negatively impacts PCS and GOE. That's why skaters are so desperate to do a triple-triple, even if they can be cleaner without one.
I just can’t believe people continue talking about Gracie like she is in contention for the Olympics. A dozen or so American athletes would need to be injured for this to even be a conversation. She can’t land any triples in the second half of her fee skate and she never even attempts and misses combos where she just leaves points off the table. With the way she is skating, the conversation is more about whether or not she can even grab one of 18 spots at Nationals. I believe she currently is holding on to the last spot with 5/8 of the Challenger Series completed.
And a LOT of stars had to align for that to happen. US ladies used to be favorites for gold and if they messed up it was oh rats they got silver instead, now its we need them to be clean (or at least called clean...) and others to mess up (and potentially mess up a lot) for them to get on the podium. Perhaps if a lot of us haven't been fans of figure skating for years where we remember the era of US ladies being the powerhouse country we would look at Karen Chen's fourth place finish as a huge achievement like we do when we see Loena Hendrickx place bronze at GP event or place fifth at Worlds.
I admit I have mixed feelings on whether I agree or not with BV of TES affecting PCS. On 1 hand I say TES BV should not, there are skaters like Satoko (though she generally does get pretty good PCS) or Sasha Cohen (to bring in a US lady so I'm not off-topic
) makes you forget their TES deficiencies/problems, but on the other hand I can justify - its more difficult to perform/interpret a program when you are doing more difficult technical elements.Yeah as I said...
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I don't even know what to say to someone who thinks this. She might not even qualify for Nationals at this rate.
I wish US skaters had taken the explosion of ultra-c's seriously. I really don't feel like they did, and now we are in a place where most US skaters are falling behind, including the junior class. Nagasu wasn't a natural candidate for a 3A, and yet, she got it. It isn't impossible, and more and more skaters are at least hitting them 25%. Watching the juniors from our country, and other countries, the only one I have future hope for is Mia Kalin, because even though her skating needs refinement, she is at least landing a quad. Karen in particular aggravates me, because you can tell by her axel she is capable of a 3A. So I would say, if she is the least bit close, she should be working on it, because the jump is a game changer.
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Thank you for this information!
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Karen's 2A is gorgeous, but I can understand why she wouldn't be working for a 3A now. She chronically underrotates all of her triples, which is a much larger points deficit than would be gained if she were to somehow get a 3A. I think that's the main reason why many of the top US ladies haven't been going for ultra-C elements, they may be capable of it, but they have bigger problems with their 'easier' elements. Amber got her 3A, but she has always had pretty big and clean jumps, she was just never able to land them in competition. Alysa started working on ultra-C elements very young, so she's able to get them back even after puberty. I feel as though some of the junior ladies (Isabeau and Lindsay in particular), could get ultra-C elements. They're already attempting them in programs now (to no success so far), and their other jumps are solid enough where a 3A or quad is the natural next step. It just doesn't make sense for someone like Karen or Mariah (both of whom have lovely double axels) to go for a triple axel when there's far more gain in working to fix their existing underrotation problems.
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Is Ting Cui automatically locked out of Group 1 and Group 2 for the Olympic team because she hasn't been in international competitions for 2 years?
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Amber's 3 axel looks super easy in practice and I feel like she will land it at Nationals. She wants to make this team badly enough and feel like she is gonna will it to happen. Amber and Alysa are, to me, on the team, and only hope Mariah can get it together for #3.
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Do we know the nature of the injury?
Disagree (would love to be proven wrong though), Amber struggles with nerves, I have my doubts in the biggest competition of the season that plays a big part in getting on the Olympic team is going to be the time she's able to corral her nerves to land the triple axel.
And honestly if I was her team I wouldn't put that triple axel in unless absolutely necessary, with the exception of Alysa and Lindsay, everything we've seen and heard of the other contenders for the team are a bit of mess - maybe look to see how Mariah does in the GP series and go with her Skate America layout and focus on being clean.
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I don't think her success rate is that high maybe at best 50 percent. I do think Amber's 3A in practice looks better than Alysa's or Lindsay's 3As because she actually gets the height she needs for rotation while Alysa/ Lindsay rotate faster but don't get enough height.
Beyond that though, Amber doing something in practice does not mean she will do it in competition. If Amber skated in competitions like she does in practice, she would be US champion multiple times. Alysa/ Lindsay though are very good competitors.
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