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Wrlmy said:
Compared to her CoC sp, Yuna got higher pcs by more than a point. Her step sequence back then was graded level 1, for which she was later awarded level 3 at COR. All of her spins were graded level 3 at CoC, but she probably got level 4s at this event. Her lutz and axel were even better at this event. All these make up for the gap between the scores from two events.
As for Mao, her double axel usually gets even higher GOE than Yu-na. Also, as you said, since she is supposedly a better spinner and spiralist (don't know what it's called) than Yuna, she should've got even higher GOEs than Yuna. Her lutz would've scored about 4.8 if landed cleanly, so it's not a HUGE loss.
So these two ladies' TES make sense to me.
Of course, I'm trying to defend them, and you're coming from another stance, so we will probably not agree.
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:rofl:
 
to me the skate order played a big part on the scores, as one skater pointed out it would have been ridiculous if yuna got lower TES than mao, considering that mao completely missed a jump.
 
After seeing Yu-na's scores, well she quite deserved high GOE points for her triple lutz and double axel they were huge. And the performance was great, if she had hit her triple/triple that would have set a world record.

I think that people are starting out with the assumption that everyone's equal. But well they aren't equal...Mao and Yu-na are in a whole different ball park from the rest of the skating field, and they can afford mistakes. If you want to beat them you have to be perfect..The ones who were today, have their own built in deductions...(Caroline/Yukari.)
 
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am i the only one who actually prefers the COP from the 6.0?
it may be beacuse being quite young i have not watched an event that used 6.0 (live that is).

i just prefer that what's happening now is that skaters are adding up points instead of getting deductions. with the 6.0 perfection is so subjective, with the COP the sky is the limit.
 
bekalc said:
After seeing Yu-na's scores, well she quite deserved high GOE points for her triple lutz and double axel they were huge. And the performance was great, if she had hit her triple/triple that would have set a world record.

I think that people are starting out with the assumption that everyone's equal. But well they aren't equal...Mao and Yu-na are in a whole different ball park from the rest of the skating field, and they can afford mistakes. If you want to beat them you have to be perfect..The ones who were today, have their own built in deductions...(Caroline/Yukari.)
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Thank you!:thumbsup:
 
I'm sorry. Those who think Yu-Na's spins are "perfect" or "amazing" need to get a grip. Sure. some of them are swiftly rotated, but the positions lack stretch, flexibility, toe-point and turnout (hip, knee and foot). And don't get me started on the spirals. Even Carolina's are better.
 
waxel said:
I'm sorry. Those who think Yu-Na's spins are "perfect" or "amazing" need to get a grip. Sure. some of them are swiftly rotated, but the positions lack stretch, flexibility, toe-point and turnout (hip, knee and foot). And don't get me started on the spirals. Even Carolina's are better.
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She doesn't exactly get wonderful GOE on her spins. She sometimes gets slight positive GOE for her speed, but it's never that high. Considering that a zero means that it's executed adequately, I think that's fair.

Carolina has wonderful spirals with incredible, incredible deep edges. I don't think anyone's ever said that Yu-Na has a better spiral than her. The judges seem to prefer the deep edges and speed to Caroline's hyper-flexible but slower, shallower-edged spiral.
 
I think today Yuna's spins are perfect,more better than COC and COR, fast, centralled and clear position. I feel her sit spin is really low today.She should get higher GOEs on spin today than before.
 
waxel said:
I'm sorry. Those who think Yu-Na's spins are "perfect" or "amazing" need to get a grip. Sure. some of them are swiftly rotated, but the positions lack stretch, flexibility, toe-point and turnout (hip, knee and foot). And don't get me started on the spirals. Even Carolina's are better.
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Who said they were. But skating is about more than stretch... Stretch should be a bonus.
 
I'm sorry. Those who think Yu-na's spins aren't amazing just because she lacks flexibility need to get a grip.:disagree:
Her layback spin today was as fast as Yukari's, and her flying sit-spin and final combination spin were very good. She had one of the best sit spins among the ladies today. She doesn't lose any speed when she changes her position or foot, and she's faster than most ladies.
 
Wrlmy said:
I'm sorry. Those who think Yu-na's spins aren't amazing just because she lacks flexibility need to get a grip.:disagree:
Her layback spin today was as fast as Yukari's, and her flying sit-spin and final combination spin were very good. She had one of the best sit spins among the ladies today. She doesn't lose any speed when she changes her position or foot, and she's faster than most ladies.
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Exactly, and speed tells more about your skating ability, than gumby like positions.
 
woshisunnya said:
I think today Yuna's spins are perfect.
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I guess our definition of perfect differs. No matter how exceptional Yu-Na is, it is just a technical fact that her turnout (hip, knee, foot) is sub-par. This is something not easily corrected. It is something that you are either born with, or something that you work to achieve through years of dance training. However, what IS correctable in Yu-Na's case is flexibility. Yes, inate flexibility is apparent in some (Caroline), but flexibility CAN be achieved through dance and physical training.

Okay, look. I think Yu-Na is great. Seriously. But let's not call her perfect. With all the resources of Team Orser, she has the best chances ... the natural ability ... to be the best. She's got the jumps ... now work on the other things.
 
Gosh, I can kind of see why Yu-Na was ranked first even with the mistake. When she jumps, she literally flies high into the air. Her jumps are so huge, it's amazing. It's like seeing Yagudin do a triple axel.....I'm kind of sad for Kimmie though. It sounds like few of her jumps count anymore....
 
bekalc said:
Exactly, and speed tells more about your skating ability, than gumby like positions.
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Your constant hype of Y N K is really really annoying. It's finally getting on my nerves especially after seeing her horrible mistake but still scoring a SB...

I'm getting more and more annoyed with Yu Na Kim thanks to fans like you...
 
zephyrskates said:
am i the only one who actually prefers the COP from the 6.0?
it may be beacuse being quite young i have not watched an event that used 6.0 (live that is).

i just prefer that what's happening now is that skaters are adding up points instead of getting deductions. with the 6.0 perfection is so subjective, with the COP the sky is the limit.
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No, I prefer COP too. FS is always going to be a subjective sport, but COP makes it more understandable, imo. It makes a lot more sense to me.


I rewatched Yu-Na's performance, and I have to say that aside from the combo, she was fabulous. Her lutz and axel were ginourmous and beautifully landed. Her spins were very fast and centered, her spirals were good and her step sequence excellent. I guess I can understand the TES score now.
 
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